IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-08-30
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- meeting: WAI WCAG
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0111.html
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Mouse-over Previews <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0099.html>
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- agenda+ 30 August 2007 - Conformance survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830conf/results>
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 30 Aug 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830misc/results>
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- regrets: Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Scano
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- +??P2
- 19:59:47 [Ben_]
- zakim, ??P2 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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- zakim, Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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- +Cooper
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +??P5
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- zakim, ??P5 is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- +Tim_Boland
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- +Alex_Li
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- +??P11
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- +??P12
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- zakim, ??P12 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- + +44.118.909.aaaa
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- Topic: Announcements Questions and Updates
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- scribe: Tim
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- Topic: Mouse-Over Previews
- 20:07:22 [MichaelC]
- q+ to say you can write script to keep the preview open when the mouse moves over the preview itself
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- +Drew_LaHart
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- -Sean_Hayes
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- + +0787509aabb
- 20:09:32 [Gregg]
- ack m
- 20:09:32 [Zakim]
- MichaelC, you wanted to say you can write script to keep the preview open when the mouse moves over the preview itself
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- ack Michael
- 20:09:39 [Loretta]
- q+
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- ack me
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- ack alex
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- ack Loretta
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- ack Katie
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- + +0321632aacc
- 20:14:38 [Christophe]
- zakim, +032 is Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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- q+_
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- q+
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- ack _
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- Action: Bruce to review failure of 2.1.1 related to mouse-over preview and prepare new one if needed
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- ack David
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- ack Ben
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- ack alex
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- ack alex
- 20:23:31 [Tim]
- Action: Bruce to create advisory technique for proper mouse-over preview behavior (sc1.4.4 and 1.4.7)
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- topic: 30 August 2007 - Conformance Survey
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- Resolution: accept issues 2048, 2170, 2219, 2220, 2223, 2225, 2261, 2273, 2275, 2276, 2277, 2280, 2300, 2352, 1970, 2145, 2298 as proposed with unanimous consent
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- Topic: Issue 1991: layout tables, user agent identification conformance
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- Resolution: accept issue 1991 as amended
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- Topic: Issue 2059: better but still dommageable concept
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- Resolution: accept issue 2059 as amended
- 20:42:50 [MichaelC]
- ben, are you editing or am I?
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- Topic: issue 2066: testability
- 20:43:26 [Loretta]
- \me I thought Ben was editing the document and Michael the responses in bugzilla?
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- resolution: accept issue 2066 as amended
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- topic: issue 2080 - optional components of conformance claim
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- resolution: leave 2080 open pending understanding conformance doc
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- topic: issue 2136 - API
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- resolution: accept issue 2136 as amended
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- topic: issue 2141 - what platforms must be supported?
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- q+
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- ack awk
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- resolution: leave issue 2141 open
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- action: Loretta, Christophe, Gregg to create document on documenting accessibility support
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- topic: issue 2142 - machine-readable
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- resolution: accept issue 2142 as amended
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- q+
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- topic: issue 2144 - use a variety of screen readers in conformance claim examples
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- action: Michael to investigate whether we can use vendor names in W3C specs (issue 2144)
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- ack Loretta
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- resolution: accept issue 2144 as amended
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- topic: issue 2172 - about "accessibility supported"
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- resolution: accept issue 2172 as amended
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- topic: issue 2221 - addition to "accessibility-supported technologies"
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- resolution: accept 2221 as amended
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- topic: issue 2274 - use accessibility-supported technologies
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- resolution: accept issue 2274 as amended
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- topic: issue 2278 - suggestions for conformance requirements
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- resolution: accept issue 2278 as amended
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- topic: issue 2307 - programmatically determined
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- q+
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- ack Loretta
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack loretta
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- ack l
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- ack awk
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- ack awk
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- resolution: accept issue 2307 subject to editorial cleanup by Gregg
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- Action: Gregg to clean up issue 2307
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- topic: issue 2053, 2110 - use alternative versions only when necessary
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- resolution: accept issue 2053, 2110 as amended including changes to conformance doc
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- topic: issue 2129 - "or its URI"
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- dropping off for a minute - then calling in mobile
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- action: Loretta to create new bugzilla entry for formal closure of alternate version issue
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- resolution: accept issue 2129 as amended
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- topic: issue 1946 - technologies that do not permit alternate versions
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- resolution: accept issue 1946 as amended
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- topic: issue 2260 - description of the URI does not map well to a 'product'
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- resolution: leave issue 2260 open
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- topic: issue 2299 - alternate versions and URIs
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- resolution: accept issue 2299 as proposed
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- topic: issue 2079 - meaning of "non support" requirement
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- resolution: leave issue 2079 open
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- topic: issue 2222 - "non-interference" "no keyboard trap" dependent on UA/plugin as well
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- ack b
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- resolution: leave issue 2222 open
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- topic: issue 2316 - clarifying how to evaluate complete processes or transactions
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- resolution: accept issue 2316 as proposed
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- topic: accept revised conformance section
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- action: Gregg to incorporate edits and bring back for review
- 22:35:27 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Ben
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "30 August 2007 - Conformance survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830conf/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 22:35:43 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 1. Announcements, Questions, and Updates [from MichaelC]
- 22:35:46 [Loretta]
- 2049, 2077, 2226, 2051, 2058, 2143
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 30 Aug 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830misc/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 22:36:27 [Tim]
- resolution: accept issues 2049, 2077, 2226, 2051, 2058, 2143 as proposed by unanimous consent
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- topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 30 August 2007
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- topic: issue 2159 - symbols illustrating texts can be ignored by assistive technology
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- action: michael to write an (advisory?) ARIA technique for 1.1.1, should that feature make it into the spec.
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- resolution: accept issue 2159 as amended
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- topic: issue 2227 - essential exception wording
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- resolution: accept issue 2227 as amended
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- topic: issue 1995 - consider this technique for 2.4.1
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- resolution: accept issue 1995 as amended
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- topic: issue 2098 - not clear that it's ok to provide directions once for a site
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- -Drew_LaHart
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- -Roberto_Ellero
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- resolution: accept issue 2098 as amended
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- topic: issue 2270, 2294 - definition of assistive technology
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- resolution: accept issue 2270, 2294 as proposed
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- topic: handles for guidelines
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- action: Ben to globally search and replace "multimedia" with "synchronized media"
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- resolution: accept "handles for guidelines" as amended
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- topic: issue 1977 - use of null alt
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- resolution: accept issue 1977 as amended
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Alex_Li
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Sean_Hayes
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Tim_Boland
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- -Cooper
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- Zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Ben_Caldwell, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Ellero, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Bruce_Bailey,
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- ... Bengt_Farre, +44.118.909.aaaa, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sean_Hayes, Drew_LaHart, +0787509aabb, +0321632aacc, Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:07:41 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Bruce to review failure of 2.1.1 related to mouse-over preview and prepare new one if needed [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T20-17-50
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- ACTION: Bruce to create advisory technique for proper mouse-over preview behavior (sc1.4.4 and 1.4.7) [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T20-23-31
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- ACTION: Loretta, Christophe, Gregg to create document on documenting accessibility support [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-00-53
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- ACTION: Michael to investigate whether we can use vendor names in W3C specs (issue 2144) [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-05-44
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- ACTION: Gregg to clean up issue 2307 [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-25-41
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- ACTION: Loretta to create new bugzilla entry for formal closure of alternate version issue [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-44-35
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- ACTION: Gregg to incorporate edits and bring back for review [7]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T22-35-14
- 23:07:41 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: michael to write an (advisory?) ARIA technique for 1.1.1, should that feature make it into the spec. [8]
- 23:07:41 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T22-40-02
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- ACTION: Ben to globally search and replace "multimedia" with "synchronized media" [9]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T22-55-14