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19:57:07 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
19:57:12 <MichaelC> meeting: WAI WCAG
19:57:15 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0111.html
19:57:24 <MichaelC> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
19:57:40 <MichaelC> agenda+ Mouse-over Previews <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0099.html>
19:58:01 <MichaelC> agenda+ 30 August 2007 - Conformance survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830conf/results>
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19:58:26 <MichaelC> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 30 Aug 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830misc/results>
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19:59:17 <MichaelC> regrets: Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Scano
19:59:25 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
19:59:33 <Zakim> +??P2
19:59:47 <Ben_> zakim, ??P2 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
19:59:47 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
19:59:58 <Ben_> zakim, Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
19:59:58 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
20:00:24 <Zakim> +Cooper
20:00:47 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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20:01:09 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:01:19 <rellero__> zakim, ??P5 is Roberto_Ellero
20:01:19 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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20:02:17 <bengt> zakim, ??P12 is Bengt_Farre
20:02:17 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
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20:04:49 <Tim> Topic: Announcements Questions and Updates
20:05:08 <MichaelC> scribe: Tim
20:05:58 <Tim> Topic: Mouse-Over Previews
20:07:22 <MichaelC> q+ to say you can write script to keep the preview open when the mouse moves over the preview itself
20:07:55 <Zakim> +Drew_LaHart
20:08:40 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
20:09:24 <Zakim> + +0787509aabb
20:09:32 <Gregg> ack m
20:09:32 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say you can write script to keep the preview open when the mouse moves over the preview itself
20:09:33 <Tim> ack Michael
20:09:39 <Loretta> q+
20:10:15 <MichaelC> ack me
20:10:38 <Tim> ack alex
20:13:35 <Tim> ack Loretta
20:14:18 <Tim> ack Katie
20:14:23 <Zakim> + +0321632aacc
20:14:38 <Christophe> zakim, +032 is Christophe_Strobbe
20:14:38 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
20:16:13 <David> q+_
20:16:15 <Ben> q+ 
20:17:02 <Gregg> ack _
20:17:50 <Tim> Action: Bruce to review failure of 2.1.1 related to mouse-over preview and prepare new one if needed
20:18:01 <Tim> ack David 
20:18:26 <Tim> ack Ben
20:22:08 <Gregg> ack alex
20:22:08 <Tim> ack alex
20:23:31 <Tim> Action: Bruce to create advisory technique for proper mouse-over preview behavior (sc1.4.4 and 1.4.7)
20:24:50 <Tim> topic: 30 August 2007 - Conformance Survey
20:29:31 <Tim> Resolution: accept issues 2048, 2170, 2219, 2220, 2223, 2225, 2261, 2273, 2275, 2276, 2277, 2280, 2300, 2352, 1970, 2145, 2298 as proposed with unanimous consent
20:30:22 <Tim> Topic: Issue 1991: layout tables, user agent identification conformance
20:34:59 <Tim> Resolution: accept issue 1991 as amended
20:35:26 <Tim> Topic: Issue 2059: better but still dommageable concept 
20:42:29 <Tim> Resolution: accept issue 2059 as amended
20:42:50 <MichaelC> ben, are you editing or am I?
20:43:09 <Tim> Topic: issue 2066: testability
20:43:26 <Loretta> \me I thought Ben was editing the document and Michael the responses in bugzilla?
20:47:11 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2066 as amended
20:48:20 <Tim> topic: issue 2080 - optional components of conformance claim 
20:48:54 <Tim> resolution: leave 2080 open pending understanding conformance doc
20:49:43 <Tim> topic: issue 2136 - API
20:50:31 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2136 as amended
20:51:02 <Tim> topic: issue 2141 - what platforms must be supported?
20:53:53 <awk> q+
20:55:25 <Tim> ack awk
20:59:06 <Tim> resolution: leave issue 2141 open 
21:00:53 <Tim> action: Loretta, Christophe, Gregg to create document on documenting accessibility support  
21:01:23 <Tim> topic: issue 2142 - machine-readable
21:04:59 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2142 as amended
21:05:12 <Loretta> q+
21:05:36 <Tim> topic: issue 2144 - use a variety of screen readers in conformance claim examples
21:05:44 <MichaelC> action: Michael to investigate whether we can use vendor names in W3C specs (issue 2144)
21:06:29 <Tim> ack Loretta
21:09:05 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2144 as amended
21:09:44 <Tim> topic: issue 2172 - about "accessibility supported"
21:12:07 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2172 as amended
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21:13:00 <Tim> topic: issue 2221 - addition to "accessibility-supported technologies"
21:13:10 <Tim> resolution: accept 2221 as amended
21:13:50 <Tim> topic: issue 2274 - use accessibility-supported technologies
21:14:56 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2274 as amended
21:15:28 <Tim> topic: issue 2278 - suggestions for conformance requirements
21:16:56 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2278 as amended
21:17:32 <Tim> topic: issue 2307 - programmatically determined
21:19:57 <Loretta> q+
21:20:09 <Tim> ack Loretta
21:21:22 <Loretta> q+
21:21:38 <awk> q+
21:22:24 <Tim> ack loretta
21:22:26 <Gregg> ack l
21:22:52 <Gregg> ack awk
21:22:53 <Tim> ack awk
21:25:18 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2307 subject to editorial cleanup by Gregg 
21:25:41 <Tim> Action: Gregg to clean up issue 2307
21:26:58 <Tim> topic: issue 2053, 2110 - use alternative versions only when necessary
21:27:17 <Ben> RRSAgent, make log world
21:30:25 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2053, 2110 as amended including changes to conformance doc
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21:31:03 <Tim> topic: issue 2129 - "or its URI"
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21:40:00 <awk> dropping off for a minute - then calling in mobile
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21:40:53 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:44:35 <Tim> action: Loretta to create new bugzilla entry for formal closure of alternate version issue
21:45:21 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:46:20 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2129 as amended
21:46:52 <Tim> topic: issue 1946 - technologies that do not permit alternate versions
21:49:33 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 1946 as amended
21:50:30 <Tim> topic: issue 2260 - description of the URI does not map well to a 'product'
21:54:07 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:54:59 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
22:00:14 <Tim> resolution: leave issue 2260 open
22:00:53 <Tim> topic: issue 2299 - alternate versions and URIs
22:02:04 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2299 as proposed
22:02:51 <Tim> topic: issue 2079 - meaning of "non support" requirement
22:08:18 <Tim> resolution: leave issue 2079 open 
22:09:47 <Tim> topic: issue 2222 - "non-interference" "no keyboard trap" dependent on UA/plugin as well 
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22:17:20 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
22:18:43 <Gregg> ack b
22:21:16 <Tim> resolution: leave issue 2222 open 
22:22:24 <Tim> topic: issue 2316 - clarifying how to evaluate complete processes or transactions
22:25:44 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2316 as proposed
22:26:19 <Tim> topic: accept revised conformance section
22:35:14 <Tim> action: Gregg to incorporate edits and bring back for review 
22:35:27 <Ben> zakim, close this item
22:35:27 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Ben
22:35:36 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 3
22:35:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "30 August 2007 - Conformance survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830conf/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:35:43 <Ben> zakim, close this item
22:35:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
22:35:44 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:35:45 <Zakim> 1. Announcements, Questions, and Updates [from MichaelC]
22:35:46 <Loretta> 2049, 2077, 2226, 2051, 2058, 2143
22:35:53 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 4
22:35:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 30 Aug 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070830misc/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:36:27 <Tim> resolution: accept issues  2049, 2077, 2226, 2051, 2058, 2143 as proposed by unanimous consent
22:37:10 <Tim> topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 30 August 2007
22:39:13 <Tim> topic: issue 2159 - symbols illustrating texts can be ignored by assistive technology
22:40:02 <Tim> action: michael to write an (advisory?) ARIA technique for 1.1.1, should that feature make it into the spec. 
22:42:10 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2159 as amended
22:42:56 <Tim> topic: issue 2227 - essential exception wording
22:43:20 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2227 as amended
22:43:50 <Tim> topic: issue 1995 - consider this technique for 2.4.1
22:45:01 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 1995 as amended
22:45:46 <Tim> topic: issue 2098 - not clear that it's ok to provide directions once for a site
22:47:07 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
22:49:05 <Zakim> -Drew_LaHart
22:50:35 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
22:51:03 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2098 as amended 
22:51:36 <Tim> topic: issue 2270, 2294 - definition of assistive technology
22:51:56 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 2270, 2294 as proposed
22:52:20 <Tim> topic: handles for guidelines
22:55:14 <Tim> action: Ben to globally search and replace "multimedia" with "synchronized media"
22:56:03 <Tim> resolution: accept "handles for guidelines" as amended
22:56:28 <Tim> topic: issue 1977 - use of null alt 
22:58:11 <Tim> resolution: accept issue 1977 as amended
22:58:26 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:58:28 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:58:32 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:58:34 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
22:58:36 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
22:58:37 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:58:37 <Zakim> -Cooper
22:58:41 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:58:44 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:07:34 <Ben> Zakim, bye
23:07:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Ben_Caldwell, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Ellero, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Bruce_Bailey,
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23:07:41 <Ben> RRSAgent, bye
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bruce to review failure of 2.1.1 related to mouse-over preview and prepare new one if needed [1]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T20-17-50
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bruce to create advisory technique for proper mouse-over preview behavior (sc1.4.4 and 1.4.7) [2]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T20-23-31
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta, Christophe, Gregg to create document on documenting accessibility support   [3]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-00-53
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to investigate whether we can use vendor names in W3C specs (issue 2144) [4]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-05-44
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg to clean up issue 2307 [5]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-25-41
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta to create new bugzilla entry for formal closure of alternate version issue [6]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-44-35
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg to incorporate edits and bring back for review  [7]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T22-35-14
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: michael to write an (advisory?) ARIA technique for 1.1.1, should that feature make it into the spec.  [8]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T22-40-02
23:07:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to globally search and replace "multimedia" with "synchronized media" [9]
23:07:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-wai-wcag-irc#T22-55-14