16:47:18 RRSAgent has joined #ua 16:47:18 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-ua-irc 16:47:34 Zakim, this will be UAWG 16:47:34 ok, JR; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes 16:47:48 Meeting: WAI UA 16:48:14 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007JulSep/0074.html 16:48:21 Scribe: JR 16:48:30 Chair: Jim Allan 16:48:31 AllanJ has joined #ua 16:48:35 Regrets: Kelly Ford 16:48:53 Regrets: Cathy Laws 16:59:28 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 16:59:35 +Jim_Allan 16:59:38 +??P7 17:00:21 Zakim, ??P7 is really JR 17:00:21 +JR; got it 17:02:19 +[IBM] 17:02:36 Zakim, [IBM] is really pparente 17:02:36 +pparente; got it 17:03:14 Topic: Tooltips 17:03:33 JA: Tooltips are system controlled? 17:03:50 JA: In Windows and Mac... 17:04:08 JA: Could they do something on their own? 17:04:20 JA: There are Javascript tooltip libraries etc. 17:05:16 JR: How on Linux (Gnome, etc.) 17:05:25 PP: Prob system calls 17:06:36 JR: some applications use system calls, easy and standard. 17:07:38 ...odd that we are asking UA to not use system calls 17:07:49 JA: Problem is that if browser changes system settings they will be changed for all system. 17:09:40 JR: UA could provide interface to OS tooltips, user would have to understand that it would change for the OS 17:09:40 JR: Maybe it's ok to change global settings as long as user is warned 17:09:53 PP: Can see the mindset for a global setting 17:10:26 JR: Prob seems to be that it's hidden at least in WinXP 17:10:54 JR: And maybe UAAG just needs to make it easier 17:11:12 JR: Maybe there are some other system things 17:12:04 JA: Like font size in chrome of app, etc? 17:12:14 JA: But again impacts every application 17:12:48 JA: Tooltips maybe more important because displays authored content 17:14:14 JR: other chrome display meta info is controlled by the OS 17:14:41 <JR> JR: Thinks chrome should be system controlled 17:15:50 <JR> Action JA: Will write a formal checkpoint proposal around tooltips. 17:16:30 <JR> Action JR: Write something up regarding other potential system services impacting display/control 17:16:49 <JR> JA: Last week Cathy was talking about richer tooltips 17:17:10 <JR> PP: Thankfully not whole forms in many of the tooltips yet 17:17:38 <JR> JA: Concerned about time limits etc to interact. 17:18:07 <JR> PP: Behaviours often diff from regular tooltips - e.g. stay popped up, require click 17:18:36 <JR> JA: Which brings up another system call thing... 17:18:51 <JR> JA: Warning boxes 17:19:25 <JR> PP: Which is why people are building their own custom controls 17:19:54 <JR> PP: What's interesting is that only some portion of page updates 17:20:26 <JR> JA: XForms should solve some of that? 17:20:29 <JR> PP: Not sure 17:24:20 <JR> JA: Next meeting Sept. 6 17:24:21 <Zakim> -pparente 17:24:30 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan 17:24:35 <Zakim> -JR 17:24:36 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 17:24:37 <Zakim> Attendees were Jim_Allan, JR, pparente 17:56:31 <JR> RRSAgent, make minutes 17:56:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-ua-minutes.html JR 17:56:36 <JR> RRSAgent, set logs public 17:56:41 <JR> Zakim, bye 17:56:41 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ua 17:56:49 <JR> RRSAgent, bye 17:56:49 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-ua-actions.rdf : 17:56:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA to Will write a formal checkpoint proposal around tooltips. [1] 17:56:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-ua-irc#T17-15-50 17:56:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JR to Write something up regarding other potential system services impacting display/control [2] 17:56:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-ua-irc#T17-16-30