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14:57:11 <eneumann> zakim, this will be hcls
14:57:11 <Zakim> ok, eneumann; I see SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:58 <eneumann> zakim, make notes world-visible
14:57:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make notes world-visible', eneumann
14:58:06 <eneumann> zakim, make draft world-visible
14:58:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make draft world-visible', eneumann
14:58:14 <eneumann> zakim, make minutes world-visible
14:58:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes world-visible', eneumann
14:58:55 <eneumann> rrsagent, make log world-visible
15:00:21 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has now started
15:00:22 <Zakim> +Rachel_Richesson
15:00:48 <Zakim> +Bo.Anderssen
15:00:50 <Zakim> -Bo.Anderssen
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Bo.Anderssen
15:00:53 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
15:00:54 <Zakim> +Eric_Neumann
15:01:07 <Zakim> +Stan_Huff
15:01:25 <Zakim> +??P31
15:01:44 <Zakim> + +1.919.688.aaaa
15:02:06 <Zakim> +Joey_Coyle
15:02:20 <Zakim> + +1.781.316.aabb
15:02:32 <Zakim> + +1.512.323.aacc
15:03:08 <Zakim> +Alan
15:03:36 <Zakim> +??P43
15:03:49 <chimezie> Zakim, P43 is chimezie
15:03:50 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named 'P43'
15:03:54 <alanr> alanr has joined #hcls
15:04:01 <chimezie> Zakim, +??P43 is chimezie
15:04:01 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named '+??P43'
15:04:52 <eneumann> zakim, aaaa is Landen
15:04:52 <Zakim> +Landen; got it
15:04:57 <Zakim> +Helen_Chen
15:07:04 <Zakim> +Yan_Heras
15:07:27 <eneumann> zakim, aabb is DanC
15:07:27 <Zakim> +DanC; got it
15:07:45 <eneumann> zakim, aacc BronK
15:07:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aacc BronK', eneumann
15:08:50 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rachel_Richesson, Bo.Anderssen, Kerstin_Forsberg, Eric_Neumann, Stan_Huff, ??P31, Landen, Joey_Coyle, DanC, +1.512.323.aacc, Alan, ??P43, Helen_Chen, Yan_Heras
15:08:52 <eneumann> zakim, P43 is DanielRubin
15:08:53 <Zakim> sorry, eneumann, I do not recognize a party named 'P43'
15:11:09 <Zakim> -Landen
15:11:24 <eneumann> Agenda+ Rachel Richesson Use case
15:11:39 <eneumann> Agenda+ Landen Bain CDISC SDTM
15:12:00 <Zakim> +Landen
15:12:03 <Helen> Helen has joined #hcls
15:12:10 <eneumann> Rachel: Grp decided vital signs, imaging, lab data, etc is important for a demo (in doc)...
15:12:36 <eneumann> ... medical records ~ eligibility criteria
15:13:21 <eneumann> ... logic / values domain specific
15:13:52 <eneumann> ...inclusion vs exclusion, then build a query of of this
15:14:08 <eneumann> ... return list of candidate patients
15:14:28 <eneumann> zakim, aacc is BronK
15:14:28 <Zakim> +BronK; got it
15:16:32 <eneumann> Bron: Protocol management relates to eligibility criteria...
15:16:50 <eneumann> ... plan to get all info together after call
15:17:39 <eneumann> Rachel: need to work together with all stakeholder groups
15:17:43 <alanr> sorry, stepped away. Did someone call on me?
15:18:03 <eneumann> ... EMR and Clinical Trials interoperability
15:19:34 <eneumann> zakim, who is talking
15:19:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', eneumann
15:19:53 <eneumann> zakim, who is speaking
15:19:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', eneumann
15:21:36 <eneumann> Eric: do people want one standard or two?
15:22:01 <eneumann> Stan: One would be better for interoperability for both EMR and CT...
15:23:01 <eneumann> Rachel: Goal of use case is demosntrate interop between EMR and CT vocab
15:24:19 <eneumann> ... also include adverse events, sharing of lab or procedural data...
15:25:54 <eneumann> Daniel Rubin: caBIG workspace is also dealing with imaging
15:26:33 <eneumann> Bron: various TC's: RCRIM, EHR, CDISC, HL7, caBIG, AMIA CT WG
15:27:37 <eneumann> DR: caBIG does not yet apply semantic web technologies, but is interested to try and do so
15:29:44 <eneumann> Eric: W3C HCLS charter would support SW applications in conjunction with other groups
15:31:12 <eneumann> Stan: Define protocol first, and then define EMR infrastructure; in a possible study, 'bone-density' data becomes a qualifier
15:31:46 <alanr> example of relevant current vocabulary: http://www.informatics.jax.org/searches/Phat.cgi?id=MP:0000063
15:31:57 <alanr> MP term:	decreased bone density
15:31:57 <alanr> Synonym:	osteopenia
15:31:59 <alanr> Synonym:	reduced bone density
15:32:00 <alanr> MP id:	MP:0000063
15:32:03 <alanr> Definition:	decreased mineral content of bone; indicator of bone strength
15:32:03 <alanr> Number of paths to term:	1
15:32:19 <eneumann> DanielRubin: eligibility is an unsolved problem that SW may be well suited for...
15:32:43 <alanr> From Mammalian Phenotype Browser from Jackson Labs/OBO
15:33:19 <eneumann> HelenC: experience in eligibility usage, and the application of rules for incl/excl criteria
15:36:09 <alanr> Eric, can you upload to the wiki please?
15:37:02 <chimezie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=LB.pdf
15:40:59 <eneumann> Landen: IHE: integration profile to retrieve forms for data capture...
15:41:59 <eneumann> ... use case is from working in the trenches of data capture
15:42:15 <eneumann> ...2/3 of sites have more than one data capture system
15:42:56 <eneumann> ... XFrom used to retrieve forms from different groups
15:43:07 <eneumann> s/XFrom/XForm
15:44:37 <eneumann> ... Form Mgr, Filler, Receiver, and Doc Vault
15:45:24 <eneumann> ... demoed at CHicago at Connectathon with Pfz, Lilly, ...
15:46:22 <eneumann> ... plan for 2008 real-world implementations
15:47:30 <eneumann> ... other initiatives: XRP in caBIG, DICOM-CDISC, MD Anderson
15:47:51 <eneumann> ... What can be done with RFD and RDF?
15:49:18 <eneumann> ,,, propose: stay modest and concrete, yet get to semantic interoperability; can we use data captrue forms that can work with RDF in a form to populate the data
15:51:10 <eneumann> ... MD Anderson using Semantic Web: Krishna ?
15:51:32 <eneumann> Chimie: have success using XForms also 
15:52:26 <eneumann> Landen: Using a patient EHR, retrieve info on patient: CRF in XML 
15:53:28 <eneumann> ... CDASH is a way to identify data common to all  Case Report Forms
15:54:44 <eneumann> ... always need for data entry support, can't be always automatic
15:55:54 <eneumann> ... Bron working with NCI for a common use of terminologies (terminology server)
15:57:23 <eneumann> Kerstin: need to go beyond just data elements, and incorporate ontologies
15:57:57 <eneumann> Chimie: agrees use of ontologies for interoperability important
15:59:09 <chimezie>  We have had much success using XForms to capture XML 'messages' (using messaging XML dialects) and transforming them into corresponding RDF graphs (which are linked to OWL Ontologies)
16:00:10 <eneumann> ... interest to take CDISC vocabulary into OWL or other SW ontology form
16:00:34 <eneumann> [Bron]?
16:01:01 <eneumann> Alanr: can we get access to CDISC CV's?
16:02:04 <eneumann> Bron: CDISC CV in NCI-s EVS
16:02:37 <Zakim> -Alan
16:02:38 <Zakim> -Joey_Coyle
16:02:38 <Zakim> -Landen
16:02:40 <Zakim> -Yan_Heras
16:02:45 <Zakim> -BronK
16:04:05 <Zakim> -??P43
16:05:11 <eneumann> Propose: Next call Sept 11
16:05:27 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
16:05:39 <Helen> -Helen
16:05:58 <Zakim> -Rachel_Richesson
16:05:59 <Zakim> -Helen_Chen
16:06:00 <Zakim> -??P31
16:06:02 <Zakim> -Bo.Anderssen
16:06:03 <Zakim> -Stan_Huff
16:06:04 <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann
16:06:06 <Zakim> -DanC
16:06:07 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:06:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Rachel_Richesson, Bo.Anderssen, Kerstin_Forsberg, Eric_Neumann, Stan_Huff, +1.919.688.aaaa, Joey_Coyle, +1.781.316.aabb, +1.512.323.aacc, Alan, Landen, Helen_Chen,
16:06:08 <eneumann> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:06:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-hcls-minutes.html eneumann
16:06:10 <Zakim> ... Yan_Heras, DanC, BronK
16:06:22 <eneumann> rrsagent, bye
16:06:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items