IRC log of dawg on 2007-08-28

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14:28:08 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be dawg

14:28:08 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

14:28:17 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

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Chair: LeeF

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0098.html

14:28:39 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0098.html

14:28:44 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:28:49 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:28:51 [Zakim]

+??P20

14:28:51 [LeeF]

agenda + actions

14:28:57 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P20 is me

14:28:57 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:28:59 [LeeF]

agenda + query language spec text

14:29:02 [LeeF]

agenda + protocol

14:29:12 [LeeF]

agenda + test suite and implementation report

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Regrets: IvanM, Souri, Chimezie

14:31:06 [Zakim]

+LeeF

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agenda + Query Results XML format

14:32:05 [LeeF]

agenda ?

14:33:13 [LeeF]

ericP, make it to a phone yet?

14:33:40 [Zakim]

+Orri_Erling

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14:36:14 [LeeF]

SteveH, planning on calling in?

14:36:31 [SteveH]

LeeF, I can if there's a good reason

14:36:49 [SteveH]

LeeF, what's on the cards for today?

14:36:59 [LeeF]

Main thing I was going to ask you is if you have any sort of timetable for test suite results from JXT?

14:38:51 [SteveH]

LeeF, yeah, nowish, I was considering dialing in v's updating my EARL output...

14:39:03 [LeeF]

:-)

14:39:12 [SteveH]

infact I was going to ask where's a good sample to crib from

14:39:20 [LeeF]

only other question is interest-level on the protocol

14:39:29 [LeeF]

Andy's is probably a good place to crib from

14:39:35 [SteveH]

URL?

14:39:54 [SteveH]

we don't currently use the protocol, but our next product will use it in a big way

14:40:00 [LeeF]

http://jena.hpl.hp.com/~afs/DAWG/

14:40:04 [SteveH]

cool, cheers

14:40:09 [LeeF]

might be worth you dialing in then :-)

14:40:29 [SteveH]

ok, has it started?

14:40:45 [SteveH]

so did I, but a while ago :)

14:41:38 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:41:47 [SteveH]

Zakim, ??P6 is SteveH

14:41:47 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:42:32 [AndyS]

I only have CSS-ish stuff for rq25

14:43:21 [AndyS]

+ some wording tweaks from comments.

14:43:24 [LeeF]

EliasT, joining?

14:43:30 [EliasT]

yes coming...

14:48:43 [LeeF]

topic: protocol

14:48:46 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:48:52 [EliasT]

good timing

14:48:56 [LeeF]

<group agreement that no energy to extend charter beyond November>

14:49:04 [EliasT]

Zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:49:05 [Zakim]

+EliasT; got it

14:49:06 [LeeF]

SteveH: will be using HTTP protocol bindings in the future

14:49:09 [EliasT]

Zakim, please mute me

14:49:10 [Zakim]

EliasT should now be muted

14:49:36 [EliasT]

Zakim, unmute me

14:49:36 [Zakim]

EliasT should no longer be muted

14:49:37 [LeeF]

LeeF: What would people in the WG like for the future of the protocol?

14:49:43 [LeeF]

SteveH: Would be happy with it as a Note

14:51:30 [Zakim]

-Orri_Erling

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+EricP

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LeeF: What is the status of the test materials for the protocol?

14:52:29 [LeeF]

EliasT: We parsed the spec for examples

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+??P2

14:52:44 [LeeF]

... verify that the queries were correct

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... every example in the spec has a manifest that describes the operation

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-EricP

14:54:45 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-tests/data/select/manifest.ttl

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+EricP

14:58:02 [LeeF]

AndyS: (earlier) I think we can at least show the HTTP bindings as interoperable through via discussion between implementors

15:03:22 [LeeF]

tests extracted from spec are in ...proto-tests/data

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python client is in .../proto-tests/tools

15:04:00 [EliasT]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/DawgShows

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15:13:09 [LeeF_]

Elias's code for testing HTTP impls at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-tests/tools/

15:14:05 [LeeF_]

plan: Lee to solicit endpoints that claim to do HTTP or SOAP bindings of the protocol

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... elias to work to be able to run the python code to test HTTP impls

15:14:18 [AndyS]

-> http://sparql.org/sparql SPARQL endpoint / Joseki

15:14:29 [LeeF_]

...andy to see if his code can be resuscitated to test SOAP endpoints

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...orri and ivan to see how much work it would be to use their SOAP client to test SOAP endpoints

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agenda ?

15:16:46 [LeeF_]

zakim, close agendum 4

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agendum 4, protocol, closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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1. convene [from LeeF]

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-EliasT

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "query language spec text" taken up [from LeeF]

15:17:57 [LeeF_]

ericP: have a few uncomitted changes

15:18:07 [LeeF_]

... need to figure out Jeremy's changes re: EBV of an invalid literal

15:20:30 [AndyS]

Eric - when you done your changes, ping me and I'll do the last of mine (CSS-ish stuff - one comment rewording)

15:21:31 [LeeF_]

Orri and SteveH will try to look at diffs between CR text and CR text + editorial changes over the next few weeks

15:21:53 [LeeF_]

zakim, close this agendum

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agendum 3 closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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1. convene [from LeeF]

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zakim, take up agendum 6

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agendum 6. "Query Results XML format" taken up [from LeeF]

15:25:21 [LeeF_]

ACTION: Orri and Ivan to try the results XML schema and report back the results

15:26:19 [LeeF_]

ACTION: EricP to publish xml format CR pending OK of the results schema

15:26:32 [AndyS]

WSDL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/sparql-protocol-query.wsdl

15:26:41 [AndyS]

Types: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/sparql-protocol-types.xsd

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from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/ (sec 2)

15:27:54 [LeeF_]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Aug/0014.html SPARQL WSDL Problems

15:28:38 [LeeF_]

zakim, close this agendum

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agendum 6 closed

15:28:39 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:28:40 [Zakim]

1. convene [from LeeF]

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agenda ?

15:29:00 [LeeF_]

zakim, take up agendum 5

15:29:00 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "test suite and implementation report" taken up [from LeeF]

15:29:21 [LeeF_]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0100.html EricP with initial implementation report work

15:29:54 [SteveH]

JXT EARL results: http://plugin.org.uk/misc/earl.ttl

15:30:05 [SteveH]

feedback on goodness welcome

15:33:50 [LeeF_]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/reports/ raw data

15:35:05 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/report-query.rq

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-LeeF

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-??P2

15:36:08 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:36:26 [LeeF_]

ACTION: LeeF to advertise existence of test materials and solicit implementation reports [DONE]

15:36:34 [LeeF_]

ACTION: LeeF to generate archive of test materials which includes license [DONE]

15:36:41 [LeeF_]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [DONE]

15:36:48 [LeeF_]

ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES]

15:36:55 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES]

15:37:04 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [CONTINUES]

15:37:14 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]

15:37:24 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]

15:37:38 [LeeF_]

ACTION: LeeF to solicit endpoints for HTTP and SOAP implementations of the SPARQL protocol

15:39:42 [LeeF_]

adjourned

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-AndyS

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SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were AndyS, LeeF, Orri_Erling, SteveH, EliasT, EricP

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15:50:10 [iv_an_ru]

Hello

15:50:42 [iv_an_ru]

I'm sorry for being late, I'm experiencing a hardware problem.

15:54:23 [LeeF_]

np, iv_an_ru - I believe that Orri has some stuff to talk about with you in the wake of today's meeting

15:55:34 [LeeF_]

ericP, AndyS - I think I know what must have changed

15:55:41 [LeeF_]

we republished the XML Result format

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as a Last Call

15:55:54 [LeeF_]

we might have clobbered the good versions of files?

15:56:15 [LeeF_]

I will try to dig into that (see Petr's stack trace which references http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/result2.xsd )

15:56:25 [LeeF_]

ah!

15:56:29 [LeeF_]

and that one also references xsi.xsd

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explicitly

15:57:18 [LeeF_]

I am guessing the difference is between result2.xsd in the proto-wd dir. and in the rf1 dir

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but not sure how else they relate

15:57:27 [LeeF_]

this needs some looking into...

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16:07:03 [LeeF_]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-dawg-minutes.html LeeF_

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RRSAgent, make logs world-access