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14:28:08 <LeeF> zakim, this will be dawg
14:28:08 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:28:17 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly
14:28:19 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:28:31 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0098.html
14:28:39 <LeeF> LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0098.html
14:28:44 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started
14:28:49 <LeeF> agenda + convene
14:28:51 <Zakim> +??P20
14:28:51 <LeeF> agenda + actions
14:28:57 <AndyS> zakim, ??P20 is me
14:28:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:28:59 <LeeF> agenda + query language spec text
14:29:02 <LeeF> agenda + protocol
14:29:12 <LeeF> agenda + test suite and implementation report
14:29:29 <LeeF> Regrets: IvanM, Souri, Chimezie
14:31:06 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:32:03 <LeeF> agenda + Query Results XML format
14:32:05 <LeeF> agenda ?
14:33:13 <LeeF> ericP, make it to a phone yet?
14:33:40 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
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14:36:14 <LeeF> SteveH, planning on calling in?
14:36:31 <SteveH> LeeF, I can if there's a good reason
14:36:49 <SteveH> LeeF, what's on the cards for today?
14:36:59 <LeeF> Main thing I was going to ask you is if you have any sort of timetable for test suite results from JXT?
14:38:51 <SteveH> LeeF, yeah, nowish, I was considering dialing in v's updating my EARL output...
14:39:03 <LeeF> :-)
14:39:12 <SteveH> infact I was going to ask where's a good sample to crib from
14:39:20 <LeeF> only other question is interest-level on the protocol
14:39:29 <LeeF> Andy's is probably a good place to crib from
14:39:35 <SteveH> URL?
14:39:54 <SteveH> we don't currently use the protocol, but our next product will use it in a big way
14:40:00 <LeeF> http://jena.hpl.hp.com/~afs/DAWG/
14:40:04 <SteveH> cool, cheers
14:40:09 <LeeF> might be worth you dialing in then :-)
14:40:29 <SteveH> ok, has it started?
14:40:45 <SteveH> so did I, but a while ago :)
14:41:38 <Zakim> +??P6
14:41:47 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P6 is SteveH
14:41:47 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:42:32 <AndyS> I only have CSS-ish stuff for rq25
14:43:21 <AndyS> + some wording tweaks from comments.
14:43:24 <LeeF> EliasT, joining?
14:43:30 <EliasT> yes coming...
14:48:43 <LeeF> topic: protocol
14:48:46 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
14:48:52 <EliasT> good timing
14:48:56 <LeeF> <group agreement that no energy to extend charter beyond November>
14:49:04 <EliasT> Zakim, IBMCambridge is me
14:49:05 <Zakim> +EliasT; got it
14:49:06 <LeeF> SteveH: will be using HTTP protocol bindings in the future
14:49:09 <EliasT> Zakim, please mute me
14:49:10 <Zakim> EliasT should now be muted
14:49:36 <EliasT> Zakim, unmute me
14:49:36 <Zakim> EliasT should no longer be muted
14:49:37 <LeeF> LeeF: What would people in the WG like for the future of the protocol?
14:49:43 <LeeF> SteveH: Would be happy with it as a Note
14:51:30 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
14:52:13 <Zakim> +EricP
14:52:20 <LeeF> LeeF: What is the status of the test materials for the protocol?
14:52:29 <LeeF> EliasT: We parsed the spec for examples
14:52:39 <Zakim> +??P2
14:52:44 <LeeF> ... verify that the queries were correct
14:53:02 <LeeF> ... every example in the spec has a manifest that describes the operation
14:54:35 <Zakim> -EricP
14:54:45 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-tests/data/select/manifest.ttl
14:55:16 <Zakim> +EricP
14:58:02 <LeeF> AndyS: (earlier) I think we can at least show the HTTP bindings as interoperable through via discussion between implementors
15:03:22 <LeeF> tests extracted from spec are in ...proto-tests/data
15:03:35 <LeeF> python client is in .../proto-tests/tools
15:04:00 <EliasT> http://esw.w3.org/topic/DawgShows
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15:13:09 <LeeF_> Elias's code for testing HTTP impls at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-tests/tools/
15:14:05 <LeeF_> plan: Lee to solicit endpoints that claim to do HTTP or SOAP bindings of the protocol
15:14:17 <LeeF_> ... elias to work to be able to run the python code to test HTTP impls
15:14:18 <AndyS> -> http://sparql.org/sparql SPARQL endpoint / Joseki
15:14:29 <LeeF_> ...andy to see if his code can be resuscitated to test SOAP endpoints
15:14:41 <LeeF_> ...orri and ivan to see how much work it would be to use their SOAP client to test SOAP endpoints
15:15:36 <LeeF_> agenda ?
15:16:46 <LeeF_> zakim, close agendum 4
15:16:46 <Zakim> agendum 4, protocol, closed
15:16:47 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:16:48 <Zakim> 1. convene [from LeeF]
15:17:25 <Zakim> -EliasT
15:17:50 <LeeF_> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:17:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "query language spec text" taken up [from LeeF]
15:17:57 <LeeF_> ericP: have a few uncomitted changes
15:18:07 <LeeF_> ... need to figure out Jeremy's changes re: EBV of an invalid literal
15:20:30 <AndyS> Eric - when you done your changes, ping me and I'll do the last of mine (CSS-ish stuff - one comment rewording)
15:21:31 <LeeF_> Orri and SteveH will try to look at diffs between CR text and CR text + editorial changes over the next few weeks
15:21:53 <LeeF_> zakim, close this agendum
15:21:53 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:21:54 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:21:55 <Zakim> 1. convene [from LeeF]
15:21:57 <LeeF_> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:21:57 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Query Results XML format" taken up [from LeeF]
15:25:21 <LeeF_> ACTION: Orri and Ivan to try the results XML schema and report back the results
15:26:19 <LeeF_> ACTION: EricP to publish xml format CR pending OK of the results schema
15:26:32 <AndyS> WSDL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/sparql-protocol-query.wsdl
15:26:41 <AndyS> Types: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/sparql-protocol-types.xsd
15:26:54 <AndyS> from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/ (sec 2)
15:27:54 <LeeF_> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Aug/0014.html SPARQL WSDL Problems
15:28:38 <LeeF_> zakim, close this agendum
15:28:38 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:28:39 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:28:40 <Zakim> 1. convene [from LeeF]
15:28:42 <LeeF_> agenda ?
15:29:00 <LeeF_> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:29:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "test suite and implementation report" taken up [from LeeF]
15:29:21 <LeeF_> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0100.html EricP with initial implementation report work
15:29:54 <SteveH> JXT EARL results: http://plugin.org.uk/misc/earl.ttl
15:30:05 <SteveH> feedback on goodness welcome
15:33:50 <LeeF_> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/reports/ raw data
15:35:05 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/report-query.rq
15:36:07 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:36:08 <Zakim> -??P2
15:36:08 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:36:26 <LeeF_> ACTION: LeeF to advertise existence of test materials and solicit implementation reports [DONE]
15:36:34 <LeeF_> ACTION: LeeF to generate archive of test materials which includes license  [DONE]
15:36:41 <LeeF_> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [DONE]
15:36:48 <LeeF_> ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation  [CONTINUES]
15:36:55 <LeeF_> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES]
15:37:04 <LeeF_> ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [CONTINUES]
15:37:14 <LeeF_> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]
15:37:24 <LeeF_> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]
15:37:38 <LeeF_> ACTION: LeeF to solicit endpoints for HTTP and SOAP implementations of the SPARQL protocol
15:39:42 <LeeF_> adjourned
15:41:48 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:41:49 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:41:50 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, LeeF, Orri_Erling, SteveH, EliasT, EricP
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15:50:10 <iv_an_ru> Hello
15:50:42 <iv_an_ru> I'm sorry for being late, I'm experiencing a hardware problem.
15:54:23 <LeeF_> np, iv_an_ru - I believe that Orri has some stuff to talk about with you in the wake of today's meeting
15:55:34 <LeeF_> ericP, AndyS - I think I know what must have changed
15:55:41 <LeeF_> we republished the XML Result format
15:55:44 <LeeF_> as a Last Call
15:55:54 <LeeF_> we might have clobbered the good versions of files?
15:56:15 <LeeF_> I will try to dig into that (see Petr's stack trace which references http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/result2.xsd )
15:56:25 <LeeF_> ah!
15:56:29 <LeeF_> and that one also references xsi.xsd
15:56:32 <LeeF_> explicitly
15:57:18 <LeeF_> I am guessing the difference is between result2.xsd in the proto-wd dir. and in the rf1 dir
15:57:23 <LeeF_> but not sure how else they relate
15:57:27 <LeeF_> this needs some looking into...
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16:07:03 <LeeF_> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:07:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-dawg-minutes.html LeeF_
16:07:07 <LeeF_> RRSAgent, make logs world-access