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13:57:49 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:57:51 <trackbot-ng> Date: 28 August 2007
13:58:03 <jo> chair: Rhys
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13:59:24 <Zakim> +Magnus_Lonnroth
13:59:57 <Zakim> +kemp
14:00:13 <jo> zakim, code?
14:00:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:00:52 <Zakim> +Andrew
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14:01:19 <Zakim> +??P20
14:01:31 <jo> zakim, ??P20 is Jo 
14:01:31 <Zakim> +Jo; got it
14:01:55 <Zakim> + +1.630.773.aaaa
14:02:13 <Zakim> + +0793201aabb
14:02:16 <jo> zakim, aaaa is sean_patterson
14:02:17 <Zakim> +sean_patterson; got it
14:02:30 <jo> zakim, aabb is Rob
14:02:30 <Zakim> +Rob; got it
14:03:48 <Andrew> Zarkim, who is on the call?
14:04:44 <rob> i can scribe if u like
14:04:57 <jo> scribenick: rob
14:05:09 <jo> Scribe: Rob
14:05:21 <Rhys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2007Aug/0007.html
14:06:14 <rob> rhys: additions to agenda? 
14:06:46 <jo> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/mobileOK-Pro-1.0-Tests/20070716
14:06:52 <jo> oops
14:06:57 <rob> ... more from Magnus at the appropriate time
14:07:17 <jo> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/ProblemStatement/070823
14:07:34 <jo> (latest draft of Problem statement posted after the agenda was sent out)
14:08:11 <jo> worked up from andrew's draft plus actions from last telecon to update with additional items from the meeting
14:08:23 <jo> s/meeting/F2F
14:08:54 <rob> Agenda item: 1. Review Problem Statement
14:09:14 <Zakim> -Rob
14:10:01 <jo> thinks that jo speaking is a waste of time - 
14:10:11 <jo> on wlan and skype a bad combo
14:10:28 <jo> will see if there is a fixed phone somewhere
14:11:12 <Zakim> +Rob
14:11:40 <jo> zakim, code?
14:11:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:12:02 <jo> zakim, drop me
14:12:02 <Zakim> Jo is being disconnected
14:12:03 <Zakim> -Jo
14:12:14 <Zakim> +??P27
14:12:56 <jo> zakim, ??P27 is me
14:12:56 <Zakim> +jo; got it
14:14:11 <Andrew> q+
14:14:30 <rob> andrew: suggests discuss not mobile-specific but generic delivery-context 
14:14:41 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Documents to refer to delivery context in general rather than mobile specifically
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14:15:21 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: [CTF] Documents to refer to delivery context in general rather than mobile specifically
14:15:29 <jo> ack and
14:15:34 <rob> Rhys: isn't a problem that we are a mobile group
14:15:41 <rob> +1
14:15:46 <kemp> +1
14:15:55 <jo> RESOLUTION: [CTF] Documents to refer to delivery context in general rather than mobile specifically
14:16:59 <rob> Rhys: Q about sec 2, 1st bullet: Identify what representations are available for a resource.
14:17:24 <rob> jo: summarises next 4 sub-bullets
14:18:55 <rob> ... eg HTTP 305 return code
14:20:01 <rob> Rhys: understood
14:20:35 <jo> np!
14:20:51 <rob> Andrew: thanks Jo for completing the action!
14:21:43 <rob> Magnus: the following comments are based on Andrews email, not Jo's write-up...
14:22:25 <rob> ... would be unfortunate if intermediate proxy messed with some MIME-types for certain apps
14:23:09 <jo> q+
14:23:30 <rob> ... reducing size of ad-banners often makes them ineffective or unreadable... does this make replacing them or removing them acceptable?
14:23:49 <jo> q?
14:24:27 <seanp> q+
14:24:31 <Rhys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2007Aug/0012.html
14:24:47 <Rhys> ack jo
14:25:25 <rob> jo: these are good additions
14:26:10 <rob> ... advertising point might be kicked to "Society" domain
14:26:51 <Magnus> q+
14:27:03 <rob> ... would rather we note the point, don't try to answer it
14:28:05 <rob> Rhys: this is a guidelines doc, so may be worth guiding the authors that there may be unexpected outcomes with adverts
14:28:13 <jo> ack seanp
14:28:41 <rob> Sean: any examples on type of app for point 1?
14:29:29 <rob> Magnus: J2ME app requesting an image - don't want size/colour depth altering for the phone's browser
14:30:08 <rob> Rhys: also AJAX apps - this would even come from the browser's User-Agent
14:30:27 <Rhys> ack seanp
14:30:35 <rob> Magnus: indeed. AJAX can request anything
14:31:32 <rob> ... Will this doc lead to statements of what to do for each actor in the chain?
14:32:09 <rob> Rhys: Yes, eg what the origin-server should do, what the adaptation proxies should do all along the chain
14:32:43 <jo> ack mag
14:33:20 <jo> ACTION: [ctf] Jo to weave magnus's text into current draft
14:33:20 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - [ctf]
14:33:48 <jo> ACTION: Jo to weave magnus's text into current draft [Conten Transformation]
14:33:57 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-539 - Weave magnus's text into current draft [Conten Transformation] [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-09-04].
14:34:25 <Rhys> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/2007-08/CTGuidelines.html
14:34:27 <rob> agenda: 2. Review Guidelines W3C Working Draft
14:35:17 <jo> s/agenda:/Topic/
14:35:50 <jo> s/Agenda item: 1./Topic:/
14:36:08 <jo> is happy with structure of doc as stands
14:36:52 <rob> Rhys: who'd like to voulenteer info for sections?
14:36:57 <Andrew> q+
14:37:03 <rob> Sean: sec 2.3 to start with
15:00:02 <rhys> ACTION: SeanP to write initial material for section 2.3 for 10th Sept
14:37:27 <rob> Aaron: want to contribute to 2.3, maybe 2.2 maybe others
15:00:02 <rhys> ACTION: Aaron to write initial material for section 2.2/2.3 for 10th Sept
14:37:33 <jo> q+
14:37:35 <jo> ack and
14:37:37 <rob> Andrew: 2.3 and 2.4 please
15:00:02 <rhys> ACTION: Andrew to write initial material for section 2.1/2.3/3.1/3.2 for 10th Sept
14:38:35 <rob> Magnus: 2.1 please
15:00:02 <rhys> ACTION: Magnus to write initial material for section 2.1 for 10th Sept
14:38:50 <jo> q?
14:39:01 <rob> Andrew: is 2.1 a general intro?
14:39:30 <rob> Magnus: it's about HTTP protocol 
14:40:45 <rob> Sean: and 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 are more detail
14:41:47 <rob> Jo: contributors could start with this ToC and we can adjust the structure later
14:42:33 <rob> Rhys: OK, start with this structure then
14:43:05 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-540 - Make contribution nominally against 2.1 [on Magnus Lönnroth - due 2007-09-04].
14:43:21 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Patterson
14:44:18 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - SeanP
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14:45:34 <rob> Magnus: prefer due-date of draft for 10 Sept
14:46:17 <rob> Sean: same here, just a draft
14:46:22 <Andrew> I will contribute to 2.1, 2.3, 3.1 & 3.2 by 10 September
14:46:52 <Zakim> -jo
14:47:52 <rob> Jo: will assign actions later, trackbot's not co-operating at moment.
14:48:25 <rob> Topic: AOB
14:48:48 <rob> Rhys: will be on vacation on a bike next call
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14:48:56 <matt> rrsagent, bookmark
14:48:56 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-48-56
14:49:00 <rob> ... so Jo will chair next
14:49:03 <jo> request that each person taking action is noted as having done so
14:49:10 <rob> ... thanks everyone
14:49:13 <Zakim> -sean_patterson
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14:49:15 <jo> othewise we will have no record
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14:49:22 <Zakim> -Rhys
14:49:26 <Zakim> -Andrew
14:49:29 <Zakim> -Rob
14:49:31 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
14:49:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Rhys, Magnus_Lonnroth, kemp, Andrew, Jo, sean_patterson, Rob

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14:52:00 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'send jo on an accurate typing course', jo.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:55:19 <matt> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-minutes.html matt