IRC log of bpwg on 2007-08-28

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RRSAgent, make logs member
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Zakim, this will be BPWG
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ok, trackbot-ng, I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM already started
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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 28 August 2007
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chair: Rhys
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+Magnus_Lonnroth
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+kemp
14:00:13 [jo]
zakim, code?
14:00:13 [Zakim]
the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
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+Andrew
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+??P20
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zakim, ??P20 is Jo
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+Jo; got it
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+ +1.630.773.aaaa
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+ +0793201aabb
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zakim, aaaa is sean_patterson
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+sean_patterson; got it
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zakim, aabb is Rob
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+Rob; got it
14:03:48 [Andrew]
Zarkim, who is on the call?
14:04:44 [rob]
i can scribe if u like
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scribenick: rob
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Scribe: Rob
14:05:21 [Rhys]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2007Aug/0007.html
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rhys: additions to agenda?
14:06:46 [jo]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/mobileOK-Pro-1.0-Tests/20070716
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oops
14:06:57 [rob]
... more from Magnus at the appropriate time
14:07:17 [jo]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/ProblemStatement/070823
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(latest draft of Problem statement posted after the agenda was sent out)
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worked up from andrew's draft plus actions from last telecon to update with additional items from the meeting
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s/meeting/F2F
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Agenda item: 1. Review Problem Statement
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-Rob
14:10:01 [jo]
thinks that jo speaking is a waste of time -
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on wlan and skype a bad combo
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will see if there is a fixed phone somewhere
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+Rob
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:12:02 [jo]
zakim, drop me
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Jo is being disconnected
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-Jo
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+??P27
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zakim, ??P27 is me
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+jo; got it
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q+
14:14:30 [rob]
andrew: suggests discuss not mobile-specific but generic delivery-context
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PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Documents to refer to delivery context in general rather than mobile specifically
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PROPOSED RESOLUTION: [CTF] Documents to refer to delivery context in general rather than mobile specifically
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ack and
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Rhys: isn't a problem that we are a mobile group
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+1
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+1
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RESOLUTION: [CTF] Documents to refer to delivery context in general rather than mobile specifically
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Rhys: Q about sec 2, 1st bullet: Identify what representations are available for a resource.
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jo: summarises next 4 sub-bullets
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... eg HTTP 305 return code
14:20:01 [rob]
Rhys: understood
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np!
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Andrew: thanks Jo for completing the action!
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Magnus: the following comments are based on Andrews email, not Jo's write-up...
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... would be unfortunate if intermediate proxy messed with some MIME-types for certain apps
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q+
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... reducing size of ad-banners often makes them ineffective or unreadable... does this make replacing them or removing them acceptable?
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q?
14:24:31 [Rhys]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2007Aug/0012.html
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ack jo
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jo: these are good additions
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... advertising point might be kicked to "Society" domain
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q+
14:27:03 [rob]
... would rather we note the point, don't try to answer it
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Rhys: this is a guidelines doc, so may be worth guiding the authors that there may be unexpected outcomes with adverts
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ack seanp
14:28:41 [rob]
Sean: any examples on type of app for point 1?
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Magnus: J2ME app requesting an image - don't want size/colour depth altering for the phone's browser
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Rhys: also AJAX apps - this would even come from the browser's User-Agent
14:30:27 [Rhys]
ack seanp
14:30:35 [rob]
Magnus: indeed. AJAX can request anything
14:31:32 [rob]
... Will this doc lead to statements of what to do for each actor in the chain?
14:32:09 [rob]
Rhys: Yes, eg what the origin-server should do, what the adaptation proxies should do all along the chain
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ack mag
14:33:20 [jo]
ACTION: [ctf] Jo to weave magnus's text into current draft
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Sorry, couldn't find user - [ctf]
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ACTION: Jo to weave magnus's text into current draft [Conten Transformation]
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Created ACTION-539 - Weave magnus's text into current draft [Conten Transformation] [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-09-04].
14:34:25 [Rhys]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/2007-08/CTGuidelines.html
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agenda: 2. Review Guidelines W3C Working Draft
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s/agenda:/Topic/
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s/Agenda item: 1./Topic:/
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is happy with structure of doc as stands
14:36:52 [rob]
Rhys: who'd like to voulenteer info for sections?
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q+
14:37:03 [rob]
Sean: sec 2.3 to start with
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Aaron: want to contribute to 2.3, maybe 2.2 maybe others
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q+
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ack and
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Andrew: 2.3 and 2.4 please
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Magnus: 2.1 please
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q?
14:39:01 [rob]
Andrew: is 2.1 a general intro?
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Magnus: it's about HTTP protocol
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Sean: and 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 are more detail
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Jo: contributors could start with this ToC and we can adjust the structure later
14:42:33 [rob]
Rhys: OK, start with this structure then
14:43:05 [jo]
ACTION: Magnus to make contribution nominally against 2.1
14:43:05 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-540 - Make contribution nominally against 2.1 [on Magnus Lönnroth - due 2007-09-04].
14:43:21 [jo]
ACTION: Patterson to make a contribution nominally against 2.3
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Sorry, couldn't find user - Patterson
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ACTION:SeanP to make a contribution nominally against 2.3
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ACTION: SeanP to make a contribution nominally against 2.3
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Sorry, couldn't find user - SeanP
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Magnus: prefer due-date of draft for 10 Sept
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Sean: same here, just a draft
14:46:22 [Andrew]
I will contribute to 2.1, 2.3, 3.1 & 3.2 by 10 September
14:46:52 [Zakim]
-jo
14:47:52 [rob]
Jo: will assign actions later, trackbot's not co-operating at moment.
14:48:25 [rob]
Topic: AOB
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Rhys: will be on vacation on a bike next call
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rrsagent, bookmark
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See http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-48-56
14:49:00 [rob]
... so Jo will chair next
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request that each person taking action is noted as having done so
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... thanks everyone
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-sean_patterson
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othewise we will have no record
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-Magnus_Lonnroth
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-kemp
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-Rhys
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-Andrew
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-Rob
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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Rhys, Magnus_Lonnroth, kemp, Andrew, Jo, +1.630.773.aaaa, +0793201aabb, sean_patterson, Rob
14:49:56 [matt]
Jo, I've asked Dom for some help, can you stick around?
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quit
14:50:02 [matt]
I'm on another call unfortunately.
14:50:13 [jo]
what kind of help, matt?
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trackbot help...
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And here he is! :)
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oh
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-minutes.html jo
14:51:12 [jo]
rrsagen, make logs public
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rrsaggent, make logs public
14:51:33 [matt]
rrsagent, make logs public
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'send jo on an accurate typing course', jo. Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:55:19 [matt]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-minutes.html matt
14:55:48 [matt]
Sure thing.
14:55:57 [matt]
Do you know who these two unkn own callers were?
14:58:45 [jo]
Magnus initial material for section 2.1 for 10th Sept<font size="3"> Sean initial material for section 2.3 for 10th Sept Aaron initial material for section 2.2/2.3 for 10th Sept Andrew initial material for section 2.1/2.3/3.1/3.2 for 10th Sept</font>
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<font size="3">aaaa was sean patterson</font>
15:00:02 [jo]
<font size="3">aabb was Rob FInean</font>
15:01:52 [matt]
zakim, who was here
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I don't understand 'who was here', matt
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zakim, who was present
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I don't understand 'who was present', matt
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zakim, who was present?
15:01:57 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, matt.
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zakim, who is here?
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apparently MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended, matt
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<font size="3">zakim, list participants</font>
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On IRC I see dom, matt, rob, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, trackbot-ng
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zakim, list participants
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sorry, matt, I don't know what conference this is
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zakim, you are trying my patience.
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I don't understand 'you are trying my patience', matt
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: [ctf] Jo to weave magnus's text into current draft [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-33-20
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ACTION: Jo to weave magnus's text into current draft [Conten Transformation] [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-33-48
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ACTION: Magnus to make contribution nominally against 2.1 [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-43-05
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ACTION: Patterson to make a contribution nominally against 2.3 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-43-21
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ACTION: SeanP to make a contribution nominally against 2.3 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-43-53
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ACTION: SeanP to make a contribution nominally against 2.3 [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-44-18