IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-08-23

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RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, Ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0094.html
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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Regrets: Katie_Haritos-Shea, Tim_Boland
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Misc proposals for 23 Aug 2007
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agenda+ Misc proposals for 23 Aug 2007, Part 2
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agenda+ Misc proposals for 23 Aug 2007, Part 3
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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+Sofia_Celic
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+??P15
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+Cooper
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+David_MacDonald
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+??P6
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zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Scano
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+Roberto_Scano; got it
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zaki, I am Roberto_Scanoł
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zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
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ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
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+Alex_Li
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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+??P3
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zakim, ??P3 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Scano, Alex_Li, Christophe_Strobbe, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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+??P7
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10 01zakim, ??P7 is Roberto_Ellero
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, ??P7 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:05:06 [MichaelC]
zakim, Microsoft is Sean_Hayes
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+Sean_Hayes; got it
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scribe: Andi
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resolution: accept 2004, 2101, 2320, 2336, 2284, 2116, 2181, 2271, 2269 by unanimous consent
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topic: Issue 2115: Support for Cognitive Impairments
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, Microsoft is Sean_Hayes
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+Sean_Hayes; got it
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resolution: accept 2115 as amended
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topic: Issue 2006: Cognitive disabilities - connect with target audience
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resolution: accept 2006 as amended
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topic: Issue 2269: viewing size of non-text content without alternatives
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resolution: accept 2269 as proposed
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topic: Issue 1980: no provision for link highlighting
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508: Software must support at least one mode that provides a highly visual indication of which user interface object currently has the keyboard focus.
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+Bruce_Bailey
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Note: A focus cursor that is visually locatable by people with unimpaired vision at 2.5 meters when software is displayed on a 38 cm (15 inch) diagonal screen at 1024 x 768 pixels resolution, without moving the cursor is sufficient.
20:49:29 [Loretta]
Can we get back to WCAG?
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-Christophe_Strobbe
20:54:50 [Andi]
issue 2358 from part 2 survey is related to 2980
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leave 2358 and 2980 open for now and continue to look at TEITAC work for possible harmonization.
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1969, 1979, 2156, 2157, 2293,
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s/2980/1980/
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resolution: accept 1969, 1979, 2156, 2157, 2293 by unanimous consent
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topic: Issue 1927: The use of SCOPE for a simple table in cells that use TH is futile
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resolution: accept issue 1927 as amended
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q+
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topic: Issue 1928: H74 and H75 - unclear why id attributes should be unique
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+[Microsoft]
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ack a
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ack l
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leave 1928 open
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topic: Issue 1969: Language changes should be Level A
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+[Microsoft.a]
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leave 1969 open
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topic: Issue 2009: Links give context
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leave 2009 open - assign to Andi
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topic: Issue 2154: Only change of context prohibited on focus
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+[Microsoft.aa]
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+[Microsoft.aaa]
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resolution: accept issue 2154 as amended
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ack a
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-David_MacDonald
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-Roberto_Ellero
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topic: Issue 2257: Readability is broken
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action: michael to move text from 2257 to UW2
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resolution: accept 2257 as proposed
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topic: Issue 2234: Guideline 3.3 wording
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topic: accept issue 2234 as amended
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topic: Issue 2342: GL 3.3 needs Level A SC
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s/topic: accept/resolution: accept/
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action: Gregg is H65 sufficient for 3.3.4?
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resolution: accept issue 2342 as proposed
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topic: Issue 2054: F15: Invalid test procedure
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resolution: accept issue 2054 as amended
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+David_MacDonald
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-Sean_Hayes.a
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topic: Issue 1939: Consider extending SC 1.3.3 to cover the auditory presentation
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-Sean_Hayes
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-[Microsoft]
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-[Microsoft.a]
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-[Microsoft.aa]
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-David_MacDonald
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+David_MacDonald
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resolution: accept issue 1939 as amended
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2209, 2212, 2238, 2043, 2068, 2301, 2044, 2239, 2242, 2240
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accept issues 2209, 2212, 2238, 2043, 2068, 2301, 2044, 2239, 2242, 2240 by unanimous consent
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topic: Issue 2094: GL 1.3 parenthetical phrase is confusing
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resolution: accept issue 2094 as amended
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topic: Issue 1973: SC 1.4.3 at Level AA allows sites that are unreadable for many
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resolution: reword 1.4.3 and 1.4.5 per Ben's language, Gregg's note and David's understanding
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ack a
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-Roberto_Scano
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ack a
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q+
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q+
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ack d
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q-
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q+
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ack d
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q+
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ack [
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ack s
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ack a
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ack a
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leave 1973 open
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-David_MacDonald
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topic: Issue 2175: Why "18 point or 14 point bold"?
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+[Microsoft]
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leave 2175 open
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topic: Issue 2254: An advisory on anti-aliased fonts
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accept issue 2254 with Sean's edits
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topic: Issue 2113, 2177: How to measure dB(A) SPL and Tools
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action: David and Michael to work on the tutorial
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accept issues 2113 and 2177 as amended
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topic: Issue 1929: H73: table summary- wrong classification
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-Alex_Li
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s/accept issue 2254/resolution: accept issue 2254/
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s/accept issues 2113/resolution: accept issues 2113/
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resolution: accept 1929 as amended
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topic: Issue 2237: H2 - additional code sample
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action: Sean and Loretta to discuss H2
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resolution: accept 2237 as amended
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topic: Issue 2305: mostly editorial suggestions with a strong leaning toward plain
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resolution: accept issue 2305 as amended
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-Bengt_Farre
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-[Microsoft]
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Cooper
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23:05:47 [MichaelC]
zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Sofia_Celic, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Scano, Alex_Li, Christophe_Strobbe, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: michael to move text from 2257 to UW2 [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-wai-wcag-irc#T21-48-19
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ACTION: Gregg is H65 sufficient for 3.3.4? [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-wai-wcag-irc#T21-55-19
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ACTION: David and Michael to work on the tutorial [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-wai-wcag-irc#T22-53-52
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ACTION: Sean and Loretta to discuss H2 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-wai-wcag-irc#T23-00-39
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... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Ellero, Sean_Hayes, Bruce_Bailey, [Microsoft]