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18:09:03 <johnarwe> marv, you calling in soon?
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18:09:20 <johnarwe> kumar, calling in?
18:09:31 <Sandy> scribe: Zulah
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18:10:07 <zulah> Meeting: SML Teleconference
18:10:14 <Zakim> +??P0
18:10:25 <zulah> Chair: John Arwe and Pratul
18:10:34 <johnarwe> zakim, ??P0 is Marv
18:10:34 <Zakim> +Marv; got it
18:10:52 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:11:05 <zulah> Topic: Approval of Minutes
18:11:07 <johnarwe> zakim, {microsoft] is kumar
18:11:07 <Zakim> sorry, johnarwe, I do not recognize a party named '{microsoft]'
18:11:26 <johnarwe> zakim, [microsoft] is kumar
18:11:26 <Zakim> +kumar; got it
18:11:35 <johnarwe> zakim, who's here?
18:11:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Zulah, Kirk, Jordan, John, Valentina, Sandy, James, Pratul, Paul, Marv, kumar
18:11:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jim, Kumar, Paul_L, RRSAgent, Kirk, Marv, pratul, Zakim, Sandy, johnarwe, Valentina, zulah, jboucher, trackbot-ng
18:12:10 <Zakim> +Ginny
18:12:11 <zulah> Minutes 8/16 approved
18:12:33 <zulah> Topic:  Review of action items
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18:14:03 <zulah> scribeNick: zulah
18:14:24 <zulah> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Aug/att-0050/20070816-sml-minutes.html 
18:15:42 <zulah> Topic: Triage bugs for milestone/keyword fields
18:17:38 <zulah> Bug 4884 needs agreement
18:21:21 <zulah> Bug 4628-30 will be discussed at F2F and then milstones will be chosen
18:22:53 <zulah> Action: John to put together the list of bugs with no target milestone that are still open (in order to provide a spreadsheet from which to start triage)
18:22:53 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-115 - Put together the list of bugs with no target milestone that are still open (in order to provide a spreadsheet from which to start triage) [on John Arwe - due 2007-08-30].
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18:22:59 <Zakim> +Plh
18:27:31 <johnarwe> rfc3987 - which parts rqd
18:27:34 <zulah> Action: plh to look at RFC 3987 and find out which parts are mandatory
18:27:34 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - plh
18:28:22 <johnarwe> Philippe
18:28:23 <zulah> Action: philippe to look at RFC 3987 and find out which parts are mandatory
18:28:23 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-116 - Look at RFC 3987 and find out which parts are mandatory [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-08-30].
18:29:17 <zulah> Topic: Asigning needs agreement bugs to owners
18:29:41 <johnarwe> 4632
18:30:22 <zulah> Change 4632 owner to philippe
18:30:52 <zulah> change 4663 owner to John
18:31:37 <zulah> Change 4635 owner to philippe
18:32:38 <zulah> Change 4636 to ginny
18:33:10 <johnarwe> 4657
18:33:18 <zulah> Change 4657 to Kumar
18:35:57 <zulah> Change 4665 to Pratul
18:36:22 <zulah> Change 4665 from Pratul to Kumar
18:36:42 <zulah> Change 4676 owner to John
18:39:34 <zulah> No change to 4679
18:39:57 <zulah> Change 4686 owner to ginny
18:41:19 <zulah> Change 4743 owner to John
18:42:34 <zulah> Change 4774 owner to Sandy
18:43:36 <zulah> Change 4801 owner to MSM
18:44:49 <zulah> Change 4819 owner to John
18:47:02 <zulah> Change 4872 to needsAgreement
18:49:11 <zulah> Topic: 7. Schema Binding requirements from Sandy discussion
18:50:40 <Sandy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Aug/0053.html
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18:55:54 <zulah> Topic: 8. Null references
18:56:11 <Sandy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Aug/0055.html
19:02:37 <zulah> Discussion: you could use optional elements in the example in the above email
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19:11:25 <johnarwe> <alternate sml:ref'="true">
19:11:37 <johnarwe>   <altprop1> foo </..>
19:11:45 <johnarwe> </alternate>
19:12:11 <pratul> Why does the producer say sml:ref="true" here?
19:16:27 <johnarwe> <alternate sml:ref'="true"/>
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19:31:46 <zulah2> Scribe: zulah2
19:32:04 <zulah2> John: Do we think that there is enough value in having the concept of a null reference
19:32:40 <zulah2> general agreement
19:33:59 <zulah2> John: second question is whether sml: target Required=true should allow null references
19:36:04 <zulah2> Kirk: would like to see proposal in writing before agreeing to this
19:39:27 <zulah2> Discussion: we have a general discussion about what it means to have tergetRequired=true and then have a null ref. But this depends on how we define targetRequired=true.
19:46:09 <zulah2> John: If we use the following definition, if targetRequired=true then null refs are not allowed. And null refs are only valid when when targetRequired is false or not specified. Do we need some other semantic representation  for Sandy's case.
19:47:10 <zulah2> John: are there any objections to saying targetRequired=true prohibits null references
19:47:14 <zulah2> we have concensus
19:47:42 <zulah2> John: third case for discussion then is empty references
19:54:53 <zulah2> John: is everyone commfortable with saying that we don't have empty references
19:57:51 <johnarwe> <alternate sml:ref'="true"/>
19:58:12 <zulah2> the scribe has a hard stop at 1
19:58:12 <johnarwe> <alternate sml:ref'="true" sml:null="true"/>
19:59:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-sml-minutes.html plh
19:59:18 <johnarwe> will continue this via emali
19:59:27 <johnarwe> 06 rrsagent, generate minutes01
19:59:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-sml-minutes.html plh
20:00:16 <Zakim> -Pratul
20:00:25 <Zakim> -Jordan
20:00:31 <plh> Regrets: Michael
20:00:47 <Zakim> -Zulah
20:00:49 <Zakim> -Plh
20:00:51 <Zakim> -John
20:00:52 <Zakim> -Ginny
20:00:52 <Zakim> -Valentina
20:00:53 <Zakim> -kumar
20:00:53 <Zakim> -Paul
20:00:54 <Zakim> -Kirk
20:00:56 <Zakim> -James
20:00:58 <Zakim> -Sandy
20:01:02 <Zakim> -Marv
20:01:04 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
20:01:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Zulah, Kirk, Jordan, John, Valentina, Sandy, James, Pratul, +1.732.658.aaaa, Paul, Marv, kumar, Ginny, Plh
20:01:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-sml-minutes.html plh
20:01:16 <plh> zakim, bye
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20:05:47 <jboucher> quit
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22:07:36 <Sandy> rrsagent, bye
22:07:42 <Sandy> rrasgent, make log public
22:07:49 <Sandy> rrsagent, make log public
22:07:53 <Sandy> rrsageng, bye
22:08:09 <Sandy> rrsagent, bye
22:08:09 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-sml-actions.rdf :
22:08:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John to put together the list of bugs with no target milestone that are still open (in order to provide a spreadsheet from which to start triage) [1]
22:08:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-sml-irc#T18-22-53
22:08:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: plh to look at RFC 3987 and find out which parts are mandatory [2]
22:08:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-sml-irc#T18-27-34
22:08:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: philippe to look at RFC 3987 and find out which parts are mandatory [3]
22:08:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-sml-irc#T18-28-23