IRC log of xhtml on 2007-08-22

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rrsagent, make log public
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zakim, this will be xhtml
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ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
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Chair: Steven and Roland
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0024
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Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0024
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Regrets: Regrets: Yam, Masataka Yakura, Alessio
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IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
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+Gregory_Rosmaita
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+ +004670855aaaa
14:01:11 [Tina]
That'd be Tina.
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+McCarron
14:02:21 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-617
14:02:21 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; the call is being made
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+Steven
14:02:33 [ShaneM]
zakim. mccarron is shanem
14:02:38 [ShaneM]
hey
14:02:43 [Steven]
zakim, aaaa is Tina
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+Tina; got it
14:02:48 [Steven]
zakim, who is here?
14:02:48 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Tina, McCarron, Steven
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On IRC I see ShaneM, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven, Lachy, krijnh
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+Roland
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zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
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+ShaneM; got it
14:03:02 [Steven]
zakim, who is noisy?
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Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregory_Rosmaita (9%), Tina (38%), ShaneM (4%)
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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+??P9
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Zakim, ??P9 is Rich
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+Rich; got it
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Scribe: ROland
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s/O/o/
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-ShaneM
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oops
14:09:04 [Roland_]
Topic: next face 2 face
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+ShaneM
14:09:22 [Roland_]
so far only 2 people intend to be there
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GJR will be at plenary
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GJR notes conflict between XHTML2 and HTML5 working group meetings
14:11:46 [ShaneM]
that's ironic
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GJR may be joint HTML-Forms Task Force meeting at plenary
14:12:48 [Roland_]
RESOLUTION: September face 2 face is cancelled
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+ +0208761aabb
14:13:10 [Roland_]
Topic: XHTML Modularization 1.1
14:13:18 [markbirbeck]
zakim, i am aabb
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+markbirbeck; got it
14:13:22 [Roland_]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtml-modularization
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a few changes need to be made to reflect response to Schema WG
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Shane has made the changes, but not added the examples
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Mark recalls his action to create the example that Shane needs to add
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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts
14:17:48 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtml-modularization
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-Gregory_Rosmaita
14:18:53 [oedipus]
XHTML Modularization 1.1: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404
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XHTML Role Attribute Module: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070811
14:19:54 [Roland_]
comments this week on mailing list wrt XHTML Modularization
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-Tina
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+Gregory_Rosmaita
14:20:32 [Roland_]
Topic: @inputmode
14:21:08 [oedipus]
zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
14:21:08 [Zakim]
Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
14:22:02 [Roland_]
Steven has sent a note to mailing seeking clarification of "digits" problem
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0015
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0023
14:22:34 [Roland_]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0024
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TOPIC: @role
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note from Tina : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0020
14:24:01 [ShaneM]
+q
14:24:05 [Tina]
And I'm without a phone as of five minutes ago.
14:24:12 [oedipus]
zakim, unmute me
14:24:12 [Zakim]
sorry, oedipus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:24:22 [oedipus]
zakim, unmute Gregory_Rosmaita
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Gregory_Rosmaita should no longer be muted
14:24:26 [markbirbeck]
+q
14:24:35 [oedipus]
q+
14:25:11 [Rich]
q+
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q=
14:25:34 [Roland_]
Shane has spoken to Tina on this subject at some length
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-q
14:26:02 [oedipus]
GJR: role on DIV can be used with ownedby labelledby etc.
14:26:37 [Roland_]
Shane would be prepared to continue working the issue with Tina (who is not on the call today)
14:26:45 [oedipus]
DIV can be given meaning by owing or being owned by an object containing it
14:27:12 [Roland_]
Rich says that there are large numbers of examples of use of @role for ARIA.
14:28:05 [Roland_]
Mark believes that there is a misunderstanding that needs to be resolved
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Rich will reply to Tina
14:28:50 [Roland_]
TOPIC: test suites for modules
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0017
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a never ending problem with Modularization
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for the specific case of @role we have usage by ARIA
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the spec for role only defines syntax and no semantics
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Mark: if there is a DOM we should describe how @role works
14:41:56 [Roland_]
Mark the semantics for @role are very rudimentary
14:43:01 [ShaneM]
Remember that while we are discussing @role, we also have the access module, and other potential small modules.
14:43:59 [Steven]
q?
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queue=
14:46:49 [Roland_]
base proposal from Shane is that we should ceate a host driver language to test a module in isolation.
14:49:46 [ShaneM]
I think CR exit criteria is independent of the QA test suite requirements
14:53:39 [Roland_]
RESOLUTION: adopt Shane's proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0017]
14:54:49 [Roland_]
TOPIC: Restore hr
14:55:12 [ShaneM]
Dan said, as an aside in a comment to html-editor: p.s. I'm new to reviewing this document. The status section says it's "relatively mature"; are there any test cases I could study? Even if they're not 100% finished, I'd like to have a look.
14:55:21 [Roland_]
request from Dan.C [ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0003 ]
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review history of decision, perceived to be purely presentational
14:57:43 [markbirbeck]
q+
14:57:43 [Roland_]
a need for a separator is accepted, hence separator
14:58:14 [oedipus]
deprecate HR, replace with LS (post to public-html): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Apr/0099.html
14:58:23 [Roland_]
Steven proposes to keep hr for legacy reasons
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and deprecate it
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Shane has no problems with it
15:00:00 [oedipus]
GJR notes that use of BLOCKQUOTE for formatting deprecated in HTML 4.01 -- hasn't made a difference
15:00:39 [Roland_]
Mark states that we could keep such items in a module and that a decision to include a module is up to the language designer
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-markbirbeck
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-Gregory_Rosmaita
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-ShaneM
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-Steven
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-Roland
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-Rich
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IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +004670855aaaa, Steven, Tina, Roland, ShaneM, Rich, +0208761aabb, markbirbeck
15:02:56 [markbirbeck]
Mark: Another approach is to have a 'presentational' module in a way similar to MathML. Then it's clear to people what is best practice, but those elements are there for people if they really want them.
15:03:25 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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