IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-08-22

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-irc

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14:59:43 [HarryH]

Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda

14:59:43 [Zakim]

working on it, HarryH

14:59:44 [Zakim]

agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-08-22T11:00-0400

14:59:45 [Zakim]

agendum 1 added

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agenda+ Standard Library Transform

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agendum 2 added

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agenda+ Comments on connections to XML Schemas

14:59:51 [Zakim]

agendum 3 added

14:59:53 [Zakim]

agenda+ Community Survey, Quick Reference (GRDDL Outreach)

14:59:55 [Zakim]

agendum 4 added

14:59:56 [Zakim]

agenda+ Atom, XML Vocabularies (GRDDL Outreach)

14:59:58 [Zakim]

agendum 5 added

15:00:00 [Zakim]

agenda+ Dublin Core, Microformat Profiles (GRDDL Outreach)

15:00:02 [Zakim]

agendum 6 added

15:00:02 [danja]

john-l, yeah - last minute actions :-)

15:00:04 [Zakim]

agenda+ W3C GRDDL Service

15:00:07 [DanC]

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15:00:10 [Zakim]

agendum 7 added

15:00:12 [HarryH]

Zakim, this is grddl

15:00:14 [Zakim]

agenda+ Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5: head/@profile at risk

15:00:20 [Zakim]

agendum 8 added

15:00:22 [Zakim]

agenda+ Press Release

15:00:24 [Zakim]

agendum 9 added

15:00:26 [Zakim]

done reading agenda, HarryH

15:00:28 [Zakim]

ok, HarryH; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM

15:00:39 [DanC]

DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 22 Aug http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-irc

15:00:59 [HarryH]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:00:59 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P2, ??P6

15:01:11 [Zakim]

+Murray_Maloney

15:01:16 [dbooth]

zakim, code?

15:01:16 [Zakim]

the conference code is 47335 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dbooth

15:01:25 [DanC]

DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 22 Aug http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda

15:01:25 [rreck]

zakim, ?p2 is me

15:01:25 [Zakim]

sorry, rreck, I do not recognize a party named '?p2'

15:01:28 [Zakim]

+DBooth

15:01:36 [Zakim]

+DanC

15:01:44 [rreck]

zakim, ?P2 is me

15:01:45 [Zakim]

sorry, rreck, I do not recognize a party named '?P2'

15:01:47 [Zakim]

+john-l

15:01:51 [rreck]

zakim, ??P2 is me

15:01:53 [Zakim]

+rreck; got it

15:01:56 [rreck]

whew

15:02:16 [dbooth]

Meeting: GRDDL Teleconference

15:02:29 [dbooth]

Chair: Harry Halpin

15:02:39 [rreck]

he hasnt called in yet

15:02:43 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 1

15:02:43 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-08-22T11:00-0400" taken up

15:02:56 [DanC]

minutes 8 aug http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Aug/0029.html

15:03:06 [DanC]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Aug/att-0029/08-grddl-wg-minutes.html

15:03:24 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:03:24 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, ??P6, Murray_Maloney, DBooth, DanC, john-l

15:04:01 [DanC]

Zakim, ??P6 is DannyA

15:04:01 [Zakim]

+DannyA; got it

15:04:23 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Aug/att-0029/08-grddl-wg-minutes.html as a true record

15:04:44 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 5th Sept 11:00-0400. scribe volunteer?

15:04:50 [danja]

Zakim, mute me

15:04:50 [Zakim]

sorry, danja, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

15:04:56 [DanC]

Zakim, pick a scribe

15:04:56 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose john-l

15:05:11 [danja]

Zakim, ??P6 is danja

15:05:11 [Zakim]

I already had ??P6 as DannyA, danja

15:05:18 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to meet again Wed, 5th Sept 11:00-0400. john-l to scribe

15:06:41 [rreck]

danC: murray needs to have status extended

15:07:24 [DanC]

PROPOSED to cancel 29 Aug

15:07:25 [rreck]

danc: are we skipping a week?

15:07:46 [Zakim]

+ +1.919.660.aaaa

15:07:52 [HarryH]

Zakim, aaaa is HarryH

15:07:52 [Zakim]

+HarryH; got it

15:08:12 [rreck]

HarryH: is skipping a week a good idea?

15:08:54 [rreck]

HarryH: let's schedule a meeting

15:09:04 [HarryH]

PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 29th Aug 11:00-0400. scribe volunteer?

15:09:24 [HarryH]

RESOLVED: to meet again Wed, 29th Aug 11:00-0400. john-l is scribe.

15:09:35 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:09:35 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Standard Library Transform" taken up

15:09:38 [DanC]

(so that's instead of scribing 5 Sep, not in addition)

15:09:51 [rreck]

HarryH: Jeremy isnt here

15:10:06 [rreck]

DanC: can we confirm is his action is complete

15:10:13 [rreck]

s/is/if

15:10:35 [HarryH]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/library

15:11:02 [rreck]

DanC: minutes from last week as to whether his actions are complete

15:11:13 [rreck]

DanC: are ambiguous

15:11:23 [rreck]

DanC: his actions are compelte

15:11:26 [DanC]

Revision: 1.3 $ of $Date: 2007/08/09 10:47:28 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/library

15:11:37 [HarryH]

ACTION: [DONE] jjc to organize library tests; link from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library

15:11:40 [rreck]

s/compelte/complete

15:11:45 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:11:45 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Comments on connections to XML Schemas" taken up

15:12:13 [rreck]

HarryH: looks like Chime has resolved the may/must not

15:12:53 [rreck]

Murray: GRDDL describes that not how

15:13:09 [rreck]

Murray: the changes are not yet complete

15:13:26 [rreck]

HarryH: this change can be given to someone else

15:13:32 [DanC]

(looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/08/10 12:57:53 )

15:13:56 [rreck]

Murray: it looks like the change has been done but not yet commited

15:14:43 [rreck]

Murray: 8/10 changes show re-wording, the second email on 8/10

15:14:55 [rreck]

DanC: revision 170

15:16:02 [rreck]

DanC: i can make that change right now

15:16:18 [rreck]

Murray: convert "that" to "how"

15:16:39 [rreck]

Murray: convert "how" to "explains that"

15:17:13 [rreck]

DanC: 1.71

15:18:14 [rreck]

murray: in the spec, the DC transformation to/in is not correct

15:18:21 [dbooth]

s/"how"/"describes how"/

15:18:45 [DanC]

<p>For example, this document follows the conventions of

15:18:45 [DanC]

<a href="#RFC2731">[RFC2731]</a>, and it explicitly uses the GRDDL

15:18:45 [DanC]

profile and links to an XSLT transformation to

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in RDF/XML to signal that the transformation is a faithful

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rendition:</p>

15:18:52 [DanC]

-- http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec

15:19:28 [rreck]

john-l: the owrd 'in' can be dropped

15:19:39 [rreck]

s/owrd/word

15:19:47 [rreck]

dbooth then

15:19:48 [DanC]

fixed in 1.289

15:20:07 [rreck]

dbooth: the owrd 'in' can be dropped

15:20:07 [DanC]

s/john-l: the/dbooth: the/

15:20:16 [HarryH]

ACTION [DONE]: Chime to take an action to the sentence that Murray objects to in the GRDDL Test Case documents.

15:20:27 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:20:27 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Community Survey, Quick Reference (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up

15:20:33 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:20:33 [Zakim]

agendum 4 was just opened, HarryH

15:20:38 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 5

15:20:38 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Atom, XML Vocabularies (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up

15:20:52 [HarryH]

ack danja

15:21:03 [DanC]

Zakim, danja is DannyA

15:21:03 [Zakim]

sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'danja'

15:21:14 [DanC]

Zakim, DannyA is danja

15:21:14 [Zakim]

+danja; got it

15:21:48 [rreck]

danja: xslt goes to rss looks promising

15:23:08 [rreck]

danja can you help me summarize?

15:23:20 [DanC]

aha... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JulSep/0049.html

15:23:33 [danja]

there's the summary :-)

15:24:21 [rreck]

harryH: this can be a good case for GRDDL

15:24:26 [HarryH]

Zakim, next item

15:24:26 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Community Survey, Quick Reference (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up

15:24:31 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 6

15:24:31 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Dublin Core, Microformat Profiles (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up

15:24:45 [rreck]

danja: have mailed them but havent heard back yet

15:24:46 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 7

15:24:46 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "W3C GRDDL Service" taken up

15:24:58 [DanC]

(I have searched high and low for my mail to dublin core about GRDDL, and I can't find the dang thing. I fear for my sanity; I'm fairly sure I sent it.)

15:25:12 [danja]

Zakim, mute me

15:25:12 [Zakim]

danja should now be muted

15:25:46 [danja]

DanC, Peter (?) one of the DC folks referred to your xslt, so it looks like you did send it

15:26:19 [rreck]

DanC: good progress is happening on Dan's action

15:26:26 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 8

15:26:26 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5: head/@profile at risk" taken up

15:26:55 [rreck]

HarryH: in Chime's absence can anyone help out

15:27:27 [rreck]

DanC: let's allows NS in HTML 5

15:28:01 [rreck]

HarryH: that doesnt eliminate the profile issue

15:28:15 [dbooth]

s/let's/Sam Ruby's proposal was let's/

15:28:17 [danja]

Sam Ruby's proposal - got link?

15:28:17 [danja]

btw, http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/DroppedAttributeProfile

15:28:48 [rreck]

thanks, dbooth

15:29:13 [danja]

(only ref is to a blog post of mine - obviously needs work :-)

15:29:19 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/overlap

15:29:47 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 8

15:29:47 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5: head/@profile at risk" taken up

15:29:50 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 9

15:29:50 [Zakim]

agendum 9. "Press Release" taken up

15:30:16 [rreck]

actually i thought of someone else to ask today

15:30:37 [HarryH]

Ronald?

15:30:42 [rreck]

can you here me

15:30:43 [HarryH]

ack rreck

15:30:55 [rreck]

no hear me?

15:30:55 [dbooth]

zakim, unmute rreck

15:30:55 [Zakim]

rreck was not muted, dbooth

15:31:01 [HarryH]

unmute rreck

15:31:06 [rreck]

i think i might be danja

15:31:12 [rreck]

no mutes on me

15:31:17 [DanC]

Zakim, who's muted?

15:31:17 [Zakim]

I see danja muted

15:31:24 [DanC]

zakim, unmute danja

15:31:24 [Zakim]

danja should no longer be muted

15:31:25 [rreck]

ack danja

15:31:43 [DanC]

Zakim, danja is rreck-2

15:31:43 [Zakim]

+rreck-2; got it

15:32:50 [danja]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:32:50 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, rreck-2, Murray_Maloney, DBooth, DanC, john-l, HarryH

15:34:14 [rreck]

i got myself confused with danja at the onset

15:34:42 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 4

15:34:42 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Community Survey, Quick Reference (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up

15:34:47 [HarryH]

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39407/GRDDLMICRO/results

15:34:50 [HarryH]

They're public

15:34:53 [rreck]

harryh: questionairs results at public

15:35:40 [rreck]

harryh: some interest from outside the working group

15:35:58 [rreck]

HarryH: microformat HCAL

15:36:16 [rreck]

HarryH: every microformat has someone who thinks its important

15:36:19 [DanC]

(though 9 seems a little low, I note the survey is still open: "This questionnaire is open from 2007-07-24 to 2007-08-31.")

15:36:45 [rreck]

HarryH: the questionaire is still open

15:37:15 [rreck]

aye

15:37:40 [rreck]

HarryH: would people be interested to participate in a SWIG?

15:37:49 [HarryH]

ACTION: HarryH will e-mail questionnaire to working group grddl-wg.

15:40:16 [rreck]

DanC: what reps can be contacted?

15:40:53 [HarryH]

ACTION: DanC to prompt more responses to Rec review.

15:44:04 [rreck]

HarryH: i will update the webpage

15:44:19 [HarryH]

ACTION: HarryH to update web-page

15:44:43 [rreck]

im not allowed to

15:44:52 [Zakim]

-Murray_Maloney

15:44:53 [rreck]

help me finish here?

15:44:55 [Zakim]

-john-l

15:44:56 [Zakim]

-DBooth

15:45:09 [rreck]

i dont know the last steps

15:45:20 [dbooth]

zakim, who is here?

15:45:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, rreck-2, DanC, HarryH

15:45:23 [Zakim]

On IRC I see DanC, rreck, Zakim, RRSAgent, dbooth, danja, john-l, HarryH

15:45:36 [dbooth]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:45:36 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth

15:45:49 [dbooth]

rrsagent, make logs public

15:47:01 [dbooth]

zakim, who was here?

15:47:01 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, dbooth.

15:47:20 [john-l]

zakim, list participants

15:47:20 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Murray_Maloney, DBooth, DanC, john-l, rreck, +1.919.660.aaaa, HarryH, rreck-2

15:48:11 [dbooth]

Present: DanC, DannyA, Murray_Maloney, DBooth, HarryH, John_Clark

15:48:44 [dbooth]

Present+ Ron_Reck

15:49:50 [HarryH]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2006OctDec/0018.html

15:49:59 [Zakim]

-rreck

15:50:02 [dbooth]

s/help me finish here?//

15:50:07 [dbooth]

s/i dont know the last steps//

15:50:28 [danja]

danja has left #grddl-wg

15:50:43 [dbooth]

s/can you here me//

15:50:55 [dbooth]

s/no hear me?//

15:51:31 [dbooth]

s/<HarryH> unmute rreck//

15:51:41 [dbooth]

s/i think i might be danja//

15:51:49 [dbooth]

s/no mutes on me//

15:51:58 [dbooth]

s/i got myself confused with danja at the onset//

15:52:29 [dbooth]

s/actually i thought of someone else to ask today/Ron: actually i thought of someone else to ask today/

15:52:47 [dbooth]

s/thanks, dbooth//

15:53:14 [dbooth]

s/the owrd/the word/

15:53:35 [dbooth]

s/dbooth then//

15:54:46 [dbooth]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:54:46 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth

15:55:10 [HarryH]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2006OctDec/0018.html

15:56:06 [rreck]

you're the man

15:57:50 [dbooth]

Regrets: Jeremy Carroll, Ian Davis, Simone Onofri

15:58:38 [rreck]

did we get regrets for chime

15:58:55 [Zakim]

-HarryH

15:58:57 [Zakim]

-rreck-2

16:00:30 [rreck]

thanks dbooth

16:00:39 [rreck]

i guess i am done with these?

16:00:57 [dbooth]

i|Revision: 1.3 $ of $Date: 2007/08/09|[After the meeting DBooth finds Jeremy's email, sent via Brian McBride, claiming victory: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Aug/0020.html ]

16:01:20 [dbooth]

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:01:20 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth

16:01:27 [rreck]

you are very competent i am actually impressed

16:01:46 [rreck]

ok, apparently they didnt happen

16:02:08 [rreck]

i sent some on a meeeting i missed but noticed they didnt end up in the minutes

16:02:39 [rreck]

thanks for helping me out on this

16:02:49 [DanC]

john-l gave regrets for Chime

16:03:01 [dbooth]

Regrets+ Chime

16:03:05 [rreck]

i sent them an entire week early since i was out of town for more then a week

16:03:19 [dbooth]

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:03:19 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth

16:05:08 [dbooth]

i/you're the man/ADJOURNED/

16:08:00 [dbooth]

i/did we get regrets for chime/Topic: Post-conference Chatter/

16:08:05 [dbooth]

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:08:05 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth

16:08:27 [dbooth]

ScribeOptions: -final

16:08:33 [dbooth]

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:08:33 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth

16:35:01 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, DanC, in SW_GRDDL()11:00AM

16:35:02 [Zakim]

SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended

16:35:04 [Zakim]

Attendees were Murray_Maloney, DBooth, DanC, john-l, rreck, +1.919.660.aaaa, HarryH, rreck-2