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19:04:27 <MichaelC> meeting: WAI WCAG
19:04:35 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0060.html
19:04:40 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
19:04:46 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -scribeOnly
19:06:12 <MichaelC> regrets: Tim_Boland, Nikolaos_Floratos, Ben_Caldwell(implied)
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19:57:40 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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20:02:22 <Zakim> + +1.617.219.aaaa
20:02:38 <MichaelC> zakim, +1.617 is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:02:38 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
20:02:47 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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20:03:05 <MichaelC> zakim, IBM is Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:03:05 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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20:04:35 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 1
20:04:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:04:41 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:06:10 <Zakim> +??P8
20:06:21 <rellero_> Zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:21 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:07:24 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
20:07:24 <Zakim> agendum 2. "2 Aug 2007 Proposals <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070802proposals/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:07:30 <MichaelC> scribe: Christophe
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20:08:37 <Christophe> Resoluation: issues 2060, 2119 accepted with unanimous consent
20:08:45 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2231: Is SC 2.4.9 testable?
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20:18:35 <MichaelC> chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:18:50 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:19:14 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Sean_Hayes
20:19:14 <Zakim> +Sean_Hayes; got it
20:20:24 <Zakim> +??P9
20:21:35 <David_MacDonald> zakim, who's making noise?
20:21:52 <Zakim> David_MacDonald, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sean_Hayes (71%)
20:28:53 <awk> q+
20:30:12 <awk> q-
20:35:50 <Gregg> ack b
20:39:01 <Christophe> Action: David to see if we can increase testability of SC 2.4.9 (issues 2231 and 2169)
20:41:11 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2097: Which SC covers frame names?
20:47:25 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2097 accepted as amended.
20:47:38 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2326: deprecate use of frames
20:51:04 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2326 accepted as amended.
20:51:16 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2358: There is no SC governing the visibility of focus
21:00:54 <Christophe> Resolution: create a new success criterion at level AA about focus visibility
21:02:00 <Christophe> Action: Loretta to propose a success criterion regarding focus visibility .. (issue 2358)
21:02:30 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2339: testing 4.1.1
21:04:00 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2339 accepted as amended.
21:04:08 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2250: Transcript = text allows no captions
21:09:00 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
21:09:46 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
21:11:26 <Gregg>  full text alternative for multimedia including any interaction 
21:14:50 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2250 accepted as amended.
21:15:02 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2355: Audio CAPTCHAs
21:20:22 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2355 accepted with Ben's edits
21:20:32 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2286: contradiction between subprovisions
21:25:40 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2286 accepted as proposed.
21:25:49 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2043: UA bug on object
21:36:04 <Christophe> Resolution: leave issue 2043 open.
21:36:16 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
21:36:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "09 Aug 2007 Proposals <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2070809survey/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
21:36:33 <Loretta> 2310, 2148, 2266
21:37:05 <Christophe> Resolution: issues 2310, 2148, 2266 accepted with unanimous consent
21:37:13 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2093: labels and names
21:40:16 <Loretta>  If it is any of the following, then text alternatives at least identify the non-text content with a descriptive text label: multimedia, live audio-only or live video-only content, a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, or content primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience. (For multimedia, see also Guideline 1.2.)
21:46:00 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2093 accepted as amended.
21:46:20 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2130: Can SC 1.3.2 ever fail?
21:52:49 <Gregg> ack sofia
21:53:55 <Zakim> +??P5
22:00:28 <Christophe> Action: Sean to bring forward his concern about SC 1.3.2 and 2.4.3 (SC 2.4.3 not needed because of SC 1.3.2?).
22:01:51 <Zakim> -Drew_LaHart
22:01:52 <awk> I need to cut out.
22:01:57 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
22:02:17 <Christophe> Resolution: issue 2130 accepted as amended.
22:02:28 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2030: use of shape
22:13:39 <Sofia> q+
22:14:46 <MichaelC> ack s
22:16:06 <Christophe> Resolution: accept issue 2030 as amended.
22:16:18 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2203: just applicable to "instructions"?
22:26:02 <Christophe> Resolution: accept issue 2203 as amended.
22:26:23 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2262: resizing of form controls
22:33:44 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
22:37:48 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
22:46:49 <Christophe> Resolution: leave issue 2262 open
22:47:23 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2111: Text resizing
22:53:34 <Christophe> Resolution: send back issue 2111
22:53:51 <Christophe> Topic: Issue 2356: remove SC 1.4.7 (Reflow)
23:04:43 <Christophe> Resolution: leave issue 2356 open.
23:05:02 <Christophe> Next meeting: pick up this survey starting at Issue 2263: "Contrast ratio" definition and user-selected colours.
23:07:47 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
23:07:48 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:07:48 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:07:50 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:07:52 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
23:07:53 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
23:07:53 <Zakim> -Cooper
23:08:17 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
23:08:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bengt_Farre, Sean_Hayes, Katie_Haritos-Shea
23:08:22 <MichaelC> zakim, drop beng
23:08:22 <Zakim> Bengt_Farre is being disconnected
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23:08:25 <MichaelC> zakim, drop sean
23:08:25 <Zakim> Sean_Hayes is being disconnected
23:08:27 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
23:08:28 <MichaelC> zakim, drop kaite
23:08:28 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelC, I do not see a party named 'kaite'
23:08:33 <MichaelC> zakim, drop katie
23:08:33 <Zakim> Katie_Haritos-Shea is being disconnected
23:08:35 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
23:08:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, Cooper, Alex_Li, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, +1.617.219.aaaa, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bengt_Farre,
23:08:38 <Zakim> ... Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, Sean_Hayes, Drew_LaHart, Katie_Haritos-Shea
23:08:42 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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23:08:45 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
23:08:45 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/09-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:08:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to see if we can increase testability of SC 2.4.9 (issues 2231 and 2169) [1]
23:08:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/09-wai-wcag-irc#T20-39-01
23:08:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta to propose a success criterion regarding focus visibility .. (issue 2358) [2]
23:08:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/09-wai-wcag-irc#T21-02-00
23:08:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean to bring forward his concern about SC 1.3.2 and 2.4.3 (SC 2.4.3 not needed because of SC 1.3.2?). [3]
23:08:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/09-wai-wcag-irc#T22-00-28