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14:58:36 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
14:58:49 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
14:58:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.801.442.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap
14:59:16 <Zakim> + +1.801.733.aabb
14:59:33 <Zakim> + +1.973.235.aacc
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15:00:42 <Zakim> +susie
15:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.937.422.aadd
15:01:34 <Zakim> +Sean_Martin
15:01:49 <Zakim> + +1.631.367.aaee
15:01:57 <Zakim> + +1.813.396.aaff
15:02:07 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:02:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.801.442.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.801.733.aabb, +1.973.235.aacc, susie, +1.937.422.aadd, Sean_Martin, +1.631.367.aaee, +1.813.396.aaff
15:02:14 <Zakim> + +46.4.63.3.aagg
15:02:15 <Zakim> + +1.973.235.aahh
15:03:59 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:03:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.801.442.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.801.733.aabb, +1.973.235.aacc, susie, +1.937.422.aadd, Sean_Martin, +1.631.367.aaee, +1.813.396.aaff, +46.4.63.3.aagg,
15:04:03 <Zakim> ... +1.973.235.aahh
15:05:25 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM
15:06:41 <Zakim> +Sean_Martin.a
15:07:57 <Susie> Stan Hoff interested in detailed clinical models and interoperability. Used ASN1 for years, but have recently changed to XML. Interested in seeing how this might be done in RDF/OWL.
15:07:59 <vipul> Zakim, +1.801.442.aaaa is Stan_Huff
15:07:59 <Zakim> +Stan_Huff; got it
15:08:00 <Zakim> + +1.801.736.aaii
15:08:14 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
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15:08:36 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Stan_Huff, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.801.733.aabb, +1.973.235.aacc, susie, +1.937.422.aadd, Sean_Martin, +1.631.367.aaee, +1.813.396.aaff, +46.4.63.3.aagg,
15:08:40 <Zakim> ... +1.973.235.aahh, Sean_Martin.a, +1.801.736.aaii, Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:08:45 <vipul> Zakim, +1.801.733.aabb is Kamaau
15:08:45 <Zakim> +Kamaau; got it
15:08:59 <Susie> Aaron Kamauu in eHR. Interested in ontology for eHR and for supporting clinical research.
15:09:19 <vipul> Zakim, +1.973.235,aacc is Jerry Petrado
15:09:19 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.973.235,aacc is Jerry Petrado', vipul
15:09:35 <Susie> Jerry Potrado at Roche. Work on phase 1-3 studies, interested in eMR for integrating research and patients.
15:09:50 <Susie> harlie Barr at Roche. Physician and informaticist
15:09:56 <vipul> Zakim, +1.973.235.aacc is Jerry Potrado
15:09:56 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.973.235.aacc is Jerry Potrado', vipul
15:09:57 <Susie> oops, Charlie Barr.
15:10:50 <Amit> Amit Sheth of Kno.e.sis Center (http://knoesis.wright.edu) which collaborates with http://www.med.wright.edu/HealthLink/  http://cmgcc.cchmc.org/Aronow.html
15:10:53 <Susie> CB in phase 3 and 4 clinical trials. Interoperability would be very desirable.
15:11:06 <vipul> Zakim, +1.937.422.aadd is Amit_Sheth
15:11:06 <Zakim> +Amit_Sheth; got it
15:12:23 <vipul> Zakim, +1.631.367.aaee is Joey_Coyle
15:12:23 <Zakim> +Joey_Coyle; got it
15:12:36 <Susie> Joey Coyle has been working with Stan for 10 yrs.
15:12:48 <vipul> Zakim, +1.813.396.aaff is Rachel_Richesson
15:12:48 <Zakim> +Rachel_Richesson; got it
15:13:14 <Susie> Rachael Richesson at South Florida University. Interested in data standards.
15:13:30 <vipul> Zakim, +46.4.63.3.aagg is Bo.Anderssen
15:13:30 <Zakim> +Bo.Anderssen; got it
15:13:46 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:13:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Stan_Huff, Vipul_Kashyap, Kamaau, Jerry_Potrado, susie, Amit_Sheth, Sean_Martin, Joey_Coyle, Rachel_Richesson, Bo.Anderssen, +1.973.235.aahh, Sean_Martin.a,
15:13:48 <Susie> Bo Anderssen works for AZ. Is in discovery medicine and epidemiology.
15:13:51 <Zakim> ... +1.801.736.aaii, Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:14:34 <Susie> Chime Ogbujui is at Clevelnad Clinic. Large DB of patient info relating to cardiovascular procedures. Interested in using SemWeb to facilitate better research.
15:15:00 <Susie> Ann Harris at Intermountain healthcare. Works with Stan
15:15:05 <vipul> Zakim, +1.801.736.aaii is +1.801.736.aaii is Yan Heras
15:15:05 <Zakim> I don't understand you, vipul
15:15:24 <vipul> Zakim, +1.801.736.aaii is Yan_Heras
15:15:24 <Zakim> +Yan_Heras; got it
15:15:51 <Susie> Susie Stephens, Eli Lilly, works on intergrative informatics.
15:15:58 <vipul> Zakim, Sean_Martin is Steve_Dobson
15:15:58 <Zakim> +Steve_Dobson; got it
15:16:09 <Susie> Steve Dobson works at Pfizer on translational medicine.
15:16:50 <Susie> Vipul Kashyap works at Partners is interested in translational medicine between the bench and bedside. 
15:16:54 <Zakim> + +44.170.736.aajj
15:17:22 <Susie> Vijay at Pfizer. Works in development informatics. Interested in pushing Semantic Web paradigm.
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15:17:39 <vipul> Zakim,  ++44.170.736.aajj is Miguel
15:17:39 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named '++44.170.736.aajj'
15:17:55 <vipul> Zakim, +44.170.136.aajj
15:17:55 <Zakim> I don't understand '+44.170.136.aajj', vipul
15:18:00 <Susie> Miguel from Roche. Part of quality validation group at Roche. Work on number of internal projects.
15:19:24 <Susie> Vipul: Stan Hoff presented his detailed clinical models a couple of months back. 
15:19:48 <Susie> Vipul: Lot of interest in adverse drug event surveillance in the market. 
15:20:02 <Susie> Vipul:  Interested in getting group together to work on specific use cases.
15:20:24 <Susie> Vipul:  describes: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM
15:21:00 <Susie> Vipul: Vision is to get data to flow from EMR and back.
15:21:13 <Susie> Vipul: We have until the end of December to work on this.
15:21:40 <Susie> Vipul: Could focus on environmental, biomarkers, vital signs, medications
15:22:19 <Susie> Rachel: Lots of discussion of flow of data from EMR and back. Need to identify the critical data and to work on that. 
15:22:52 <Susie> Rachel: Screening patients for eligibility might be an interesting example. E.g. diagnosis, co-morbidity.
15:23:16 <Susie> Vipul: Trying to scope down to observations.
15:23:46 <Susie> Vipul: If interested in non-observation use case, then maybe you could drive it?
15:23:50 <Susie> Rachel: OK.
15:24:00 <Susie> Vipul: Should we broaden the scope.
15:24:17 <Amit> +q Amit
15:24:32 <Susie> Charlie: Would support Rachel's idea of needing problem and diagnosis. Need to know the context of the observations.
15:24:45 <Susie> Charlie: We would want lab values.
15:24:59 <Susie> Vipul: Labs needs to be added.
15:25:36 <vipul> q-
15:25:40 <vipul> ack Amit
15:26:00 <Susie> Amit: Are you focusing clinical trial and pharmaceuticals, or equally applicable to EMR?
15:26:30 <Susie> Vipul: Not focused on epidemiology just now. Will cover EMR.
15:27:02 <Susie> Jerry: Will be focusing on registration of trials?
15:27:18 <Susie> Vipul: Perhaps Jerry could take a lead on this?
15:27:32 <Susie> Jerry: Sure. What's the organization?
15:28:05 <Susie> Vipul: Start allocating out tasks during this call.
15:28:34 <Susie> ?: All phases might be relevant.
15:29:01 <vipul> ACTION; Rachel to identify Problems/Diagnoses use cases
15:29:10 <Susie> Rachel - Need to set a story as to what pieces of data apply, and to have a good scenario as to how this would be useful.
15:29:35 <vipul> ACTION: Jerry to further scope and specify a Clinical Trials Desing
15:29:50 <Susie> ACTION: Rachel to identify Problems/Diagnoses use cases
15:30:36 <Susie> Vipul - Could get pharma and health care people to model entities such as blood pressure.
15:30:59 <Susie> Vipul - We could then try to get one model, if not possible create mappings across models.
15:31:18 <Susie> Vipul - Use SemWeb for the model and mappings
15:31:24 <Susie> q+
15:31:44 <Susie> Vipul - Capture best practices and write up a note.
15:31:51 <Amit> +q Amit
15:33:55 <vipul> ack Susie
15:34:23 <Susie> Susie: Please provide feedback for next HCLS charter, so work can continue beyond December 2007.
15:36:00 <Susie> HCLS questionnaire for feedback on proposed future activities is at:  http://www.w3.org/2007/06/HCLSForm
15:36:21 <Zakim> -Steve_Dobson
15:36:42 <Susie> Amit: It could be very hard to map between concepts in different schemas.
15:37:53 <Susie> Chimezie: GRDDL could help with the mapping. Vocabulary is more of the challenge.
15:38:02 <Zakim> - +1.973.235.aahh
15:38:13 <Zakim> + +1.201.572.aakk
15:38:52 <Susie> The target vocabulary is very important. Existing ones overlap in siome places, and not in others.
15:39:09 <Susie> Vipul - What next? Brainstorm examples?
15:39:30 <Susie> Stan - With this demonstration we get to formal representation of models.
15:39:52 <Susie> Stan - Next step would be how we would use the models to move data between environments.
15:40:08 <Susie> Stan - Think we would want to use an existing standard, e.g. CDISC< HL7
15:40:41 <Susie> Vipul - Start doing things on our own, and then explore HCLS standards
15:41:09 <Susie> Stan - Vital signs would be good. Chemistry panel might be easier.
15:41:16 <Susie> q+
15:41:54 <Susie> ACTION: Stan to send models for vital signs, and chemistry panel.
15:42:38 <Susie> These would be a good starting point for pharma too?
15:42:42 <vipul> ack Amit
15:43:01 <Susie> This looks to be a good starting point.
15:43:30 <vipul> ack Susie
15:44:24 <Amit> +q Amit
15:44:55 <Amit> so will there be a relationships to pharma from what one models with vital signs and chemistry panel?
15:45:09 <Susie> Vipul - Would make sense to explore whether standards work has already been done in these specific areas.
15:45:46 <vipul> http://www.eclinicalforum.com
15:45:55 <Susie> Miguel - Been working with the eClinical Forum , which is part of PHRMA
15:46:16 <Susie> Miguel - Been building something for eClinical research.
15:46:36 <Susie> Miguel - Take HL7 criteria and map it to regulatory requirements, e.g. 21 CFR pt 11, HIPPA
15:47:59 <Susie> Miguel - Taken CDASH, part of CDISC, taken models for collective assessments, inclusion/exclusion criteria, medical history.
15:48:17 <Susie> Miguel - Vocab in pharma is different from healthcare
15:49:07 <Susie> Miguel - CDISC has been working on case report form (CRF), which would be fundamental and standard across most trials.
15:49:35 <Susie> Miguel - Covers allergy, medication, lab data, social history, physical exam, vital signs, etc.
15:49:50 <Susie> Miguel - This is already done and about to be released.
15:50:39 <Susie> Miguels - They have already created case studies that were presented at HIMSS
15:50:53 <Susie> Miguel - This has been worked on by Cerner and Lilly.
15:51:23 <Susie> Vipul - Focus on information model, rather than mappings
15:51:56 <Susie> Miguel - Developing a common terminology between pharma and healthcare
15:52:15 <Susie> ACTION: Miguel to post relevant URLs
15:53:39 <Susie> ACTION: Miguel/Vipul  to invite Landon Bains (CDISC) to participate in future call
15:54:25 <Susie> ACTION: Miguel to think of interesting pharma use cases 
15:55:18 <Amit> can we have URL to Stan's group/work?
15:55:25 <Zakim> -Rachel_Richesson
15:55:34 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:56:19 <Susie> Vipul - Need to understand what CDISC has done for vital signs
15:56:20 <Susie> Vipul - Need to plan for next steps
15:56:59 <Susie> Vipul - Next call on August 14.
15:57:24 <Susie> Vipul - Next time assign more tasks to people
15:57:49 <vipul> http://www.detailedclinicalmodels.org
16:00:47 <vipul> ACTION: Susie to invite W3C person to explain the invited expert process
16:01:22 <Zakim> - +44.170.736.aajj
16:01:23 <Zakim> -Amit_Sheth
16:01:24 <Zakim> -Sean_Martin.a
16:01:25 <Zakim> -Bo.Anderssen
16:01:26 <Zakim> -Yan_Heras
16:01:28 <Zakim> -Stan_Huff
16:01:29 <Zakim> -susie
16:01:30 <Zakim> -Jerry_Potrado
16:01:31 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:01:32 <Zakim> -Joey_Coyle
16:01:33 <Zakim> -Kamaau
16:06:27 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, +1.201.572.aakk, in SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
16:06:32 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:06:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, susie, +1.973.235.aahh, Stan_Huff, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Kamaau, Jerry_Potrado, Amit_Sheth, Joey_Coyle, Rachel_Richesson, Bo.Anderssen, Yan_Heras,
16:06:35 <Zakim> ... Steve_Dobson, +44.170.736.aajj, +1.201.572.aakk