IRC log of hcls on 2007-08-07

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14:57:49 [vipul]

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14:58:36 [Zakim]

+Vipul_Kashyap

14:58:49 [vipul]

Zakim, who's on the call?

14:58:49 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.801.442.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap

14:59:16 [Zakim]

+ +1.801.733.aabb

14:59:33 [Zakim]

+ +1.973.235.aacc

14:59:41 [Susie]

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+susie

15:00:55 [Zakim]

+ +1.937.422.aadd

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+Sean_Martin

15:01:49 [Zakim]

+ +1.631.367.aaee

15:01:57 [Zakim]

+ +1.813.396.aaff

15:02:07 [vipul]

Zakim, who's on the call?

15:02:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.801.442.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.801.733.aabb, +1.973.235.aacc, susie, +1.937.422.aadd, Sean_Martin, +1.631.367.aaee, +1.813.396.aaff

15:02:14 [Zakim]

+ +46.4.63.3.aagg

15:02:15 [Zakim]

+ +1.973.235.aahh

15:03:59 [vipul]

Zakim, who's on the call?

15:03:59 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.801.442.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.801.733.aabb, +1.973.235.aacc, susie, +1.937.422.aadd, Sean_Martin, +1.631.367.aaee, +1.813.396.aaff, +46.4.63.3.aagg,

15:04:03 [Zakim]

... +1.973.235.aahh

15:05:25 [vipul]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM

15:06:41 [Zakim]

+Sean_Martin.a

15:07:57 [Susie]

Stan Hoff interested in detailed clinical models and interoperability. Used ASN1 for years, but have recently changed to XML. Interested in seeing how this might be done in RDF/OWL.

15:07:59 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.801.442.aaaa is Stan_Huff

15:07:59 [Zakim]

+Stan_Huff; got it

15:08:00 [Zakim]

+ +1.801.736.aaii

15:08:14 [Zakim]

+Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:08:18 [chimezie]

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Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:08:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Stan_Huff, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.801.733.aabb, +1.973.235.aacc, susie, +1.937.422.aadd, Sean_Martin, +1.631.367.aaee, +1.813.396.aaff, +46.4.63.3.aagg,

15:08:40 [Zakim]

... +1.973.235.aahh, Sean_Martin.a, +1.801.736.aaii, Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:08:45 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.801.733.aabb is Kamaau

15:08:45 [Zakim]

+Kamaau; got it

15:08:59 [Susie]

Aaron Kamauu in eHR. Interested in ontology for eHR and for supporting clinical research.

15:09:19 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.973.235,aacc is Jerry Petrado

15:09:19 [Zakim]

I don't understand '+1.973.235,aacc is Jerry Petrado', vipul

15:09:35 [Susie]

Jerry Potrado at Roche. Work on phase 1-3 studies, interested in eMR for integrating research and patients.

15:09:50 [Susie]

harlie Barr at Roche. Physician and informaticist

15:09:56 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.973.235.aacc is Jerry Potrado

15:09:56 [Zakim]

I don't understand '+1.973.235.aacc is Jerry Potrado', vipul

15:09:57 [Susie]

oops, Charlie Barr.

15:10:46 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.973.235.aacc is Jerry_Potrado

15:10:46 [Zakim]

+Jerry_Potrado; got it

15:10:50 [Amit]

Amit Sheth of Kno.e.sis Center (http://knoesis.wright.edu) which collaborates with http://www.med.wright.edu/HealthLink/ http://cmgcc.cchmc.org/Aronow.html

15:10:53 [Susie]

CB in phase 3 and 4 clinical trials. Interoperability would be very desirable.

15:11:06 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.937.422.aadd is Amit_Sheth

15:11:06 [Zakim]

+Amit_Sheth; got it

15:12:23 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.631.367.aaee is Joey_Coyle

15:12:23 [Zakim]

+Joey_Coyle; got it

15:12:36 [Susie]

Joey Coyle has been working with Stan for 10 yrs.

15:12:48 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.813.396.aaff is Rachel_Richesson

15:12:48 [Zakim]

+Rachel_Richesson; got it

15:13:14 [Susie]

Rachael Richesson at South Florida University. Interested in data standards.

15:13:30 [vipul]

Zakim, +46.4.63.3.aagg is Bo.Anderssen

15:13:30 [Zakim]

+Bo.Anderssen; got it

15:13:46 [vipul]

Zakim, who's on the call?

15:13:46 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Stan_Huff, Vipul_Kashyap, Kamaau, Jerry_Potrado, susie, Amit_Sheth, Sean_Martin, Joey_Coyle, Rachel_Richesson, Bo.Anderssen, +1.973.235.aahh, Sean_Martin.a,

15:13:48 [Susie]

Bo Anderssen works for AZ. Is in discovery medicine and epidemiology.

15:13:51 [Zakim]

... +1.801.736.aaii, Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:14:34 [Susie]

Chime Ogbujui is at Clevelnad Clinic. Large DB of patient info relating to cardiovascular procedures. Interested in using SemWeb to facilitate better research.

15:15:00 [Susie]

Ann Harris at Intermountain healthcare. Works with Stan

15:15:05 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.801.736.aaii is +1.801.736.aaii is Yan Heras

15:15:05 [Zakim]

I don't understand you, vipul

15:15:24 [vipul]

Zakim, +1.801.736.aaii is Yan_Heras

15:15:24 [Zakim]

+Yan_Heras; got it

15:15:51 [Susie]

Susie Stephens, Eli Lilly, works on intergrative informatics.

15:15:58 [vipul]

Zakim, Sean_Martin is Steve_Dobson

15:15:58 [Zakim]

+Steve_Dobson; got it

15:16:09 [Susie]

Steve Dobson works at Pfizer on translational medicine.

15:16:50 [Susie]

Vipul Kashyap works at Partners is interested in translational medicine between the bench and bedside.

15:16:54 [Zakim]

+ +44.170.736.aajj

15:17:22 [Susie]

Vijay at Pfizer. Works in development informatics. Interested in pushing Semantic Web paradigm.

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15:17:39 [vipul]

Zakim, ++44.170.736.aajj is Miguel

15:17:39 [Zakim]

sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named '++44.170.736.aajj'

15:17:55 [vipul]

Zakim, +44.170.136.aajj

15:17:55 [Zakim]

I don't understand '+44.170.136.aajj', vipul

15:18:00 [Susie]

Miguel from Roche. Part of quality validation group at Roche. Work on number of internal projects.

15:19:24 [Susie]

Vipul: Stan Hoff presented his detailed clinical models a couple of months back.

15:19:48 [Susie]

Vipul: Lot of interest in adverse drug event surveillance in the market.

15:20:02 [Susie]

Vipul: Interested in getting group together to work on specific use cases.

15:20:24 [Susie]

Vipul: describes: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM

15:21:00 [Susie]

Vipul: Vision is to get data to flow from EMR and back.

15:21:13 [Susie]

Vipul: We have until the end of December to work on this.

15:21:40 [Susie]

Vipul: Could focus on environmental, biomarkers, vital signs, medications

15:22:19 [Susie]

Rachel: Lots of discussion of flow of data from EMR and back. Need to identify the critical data and to work on that.

15:22:52 [Susie]

Rachel: Screening patients for eligibility might be an interesting example. E.g. diagnosis, co-morbidity.

15:23:16 [Susie]

Vipul: Trying to scope down to observations.

15:23:46 [Susie]

Vipul: If interested in non-observation use case, then maybe you could drive it?

15:23:50 [Susie]

Rachel: OK.

15:24:00 [Susie]

Vipul: Should we broaden the scope.

15:24:17 [Amit]

+q Amit

15:24:32 [Susie]

Charlie: Would support Rachel's idea of needing problem and diagnosis. Need to know the context of the observations.

15:24:45 [Susie]

Charlie: We would want lab values.

15:24:59 [Susie]

Vipul: Labs needs to be added.

15:25:36 [vipul]

q-

15:25:40 [vipul]

ack Amit

15:26:00 [Susie]

Amit: Are you focusing clinical trial and pharmaceuticals, or equally applicable to EMR?

15:26:30 [Susie]

Vipul: Not focused on epidemiology just now. Will cover EMR.

15:27:02 [Susie]

Jerry: Will be focusing on registration of trials?

15:27:18 [Susie]

Vipul: Perhaps Jerry could take a lead on this?

15:27:32 [Susie]

Jerry: Sure. What's the organization?

15:28:05 [Susie]

Vipul: Start allocating out tasks during this call.

15:28:34 [Susie]

?: All phases might be relevant.

15:29:01 [vipul]

ACTION; Rachel to identify Problems/Diagnoses use cases

15:29:10 [Susie]

Rachel - Need to set a story as to what pieces of data apply, and to have a good scenario as to how this would be useful.

15:29:35 [vipul]

ACTION: Jerry to further scope and specify a Clinical Trials Desing

15:29:50 [Susie]

ACTION: Rachel to identify Problems/Diagnoses use cases

15:30:36 [Susie]

Vipul - Could get pharma and health care people to model entities such as blood pressure.

15:30:59 [Susie]

Vipul - We could then try to get one model, if not possible create mappings across models.

15:31:18 [Susie]

Vipul - Use SemWeb for the model and mappings

15:31:24 [Susie]

q+

15:31:44 [Susie]

Vipul - Capture best practices and write up a note.

15:31:51 [Amit]

+q Amit

15:33:55 [vipul]

ack Susie

15:34:23 [Susie]

Susie: Please provide feedback for next HCLS charter, so work can continue beyond December 2007.

15:36:00 [Susie]

HCLS questionnaire for feedback on proposed future activities is at: http://www.w3.org/2007/06/HCLSForm

15:36:21 [Zakim]

-Steve_Dobson

15:36:42 [Susie]

Amit: It could be very hard to map between concepts in different schemas.

15:37:53 [Susie]

Chimezie: GRDDL could help with the mapping. Vocabulary is more of the challenge.

15:38:02 [Zakim]

- +1.973.235.aahh

15:38:13 [Zakim]

+ +1.201.572.aakk

15:38:52 [Susie]

The target vocabulary is very important. Existing ones overlap in siome places, and not in others.

15:39:09 [Susie]

Vipul - What next? Brainstorm examples?

15:39:30 [Susie]

Stan - With this demonstration we get to formal representation of models.

15:39:52 [Susie]

Stan - Next step would be how we would use the models to move data between environments.

15:40:08 [Susie]

Stan - Think we would want to use an existing standard, e.g. CDISC< HL7

15:40:41 [Susie]

Vipul - Start doing things on our own, and then explore HCLS standards

15:41:09 [Susie]

Stan - Vital signs would be good. Chemistry panel might be easier.

15:41:16 [Susie]

q+

15:41:54 [Susie]

ACTION: Stan to send models for vital signs, and chemistry panel.

15:42:38 [Susie]

These would be a good starting point for pharma too?

15:42:42 [vipul]

ack Amit

15:43:01 [Susie]

This looks to be a good starting point.

15:43:30 [vipul]

ack Susie

15:44:24 [Amit]

+q Amit

15:44:55 [Amit]

so will there be a relationships to pharma from what one models with vital signs and chemistry panel?

15:45:09 [Susie]

Vipul - Would make sense to explore whether standards work has already been done in these specific areas.

15:45:46 [vipul]

http://www.eclinicalforum.com

15:45:55 [Susie]

Miguel - Been working with the eClinical Forum , which is part of PHRMA

15:46:16 [Susie]

Miguel - Been building something for eClinical research.

15:46:36 [Susie]

Miguel - Take HL7 criteria and map it to regulatory requirements, e.g. 21 CFR pt 11, HIPPA

15:47:59 [Susie]

Miguel - Taken CDASH, part of CDISC, taken models for collective assessments, inclusion/exclusion criteria, medical history.

15:48:17 [Susie]

Miguel - Vocab in pharma is different from healthcare

15:49:07 [Susie]

Miguel - CDISC has been working on case report form (CRF), which would be fundamental and standard across most trials.

15:49:35 [Susie]

Miguel - Covers allergy, medication, lab data, social history, physical exam, vital signs, etc.

15:49:50 [Susie]

Miguel - This is already done and about to be released.

15:50:39 [Susie]

Miguels - They have already created case studies that were presented at HIMSS

15:50:53 [Susie]

Miguel - This has been worked on by Cerner and Lilly.

15:51:23 [Susie]

Vipul - Focus on information model, rather than mappings

15:51:56 [Susie]

Miguel - Developing a common terminology between pharma and healthcare

15:52:15 [Susie]

ACTION: Miguel to post relevant URLs

15:53:39 [Susie]

ACTION: Miguel/Vipul to invite Landon Bains (CDISC) to participate in future call

15:54:25 [Susie]

ACTION: Miguel to think of interesting pharma use cases

15:55:18 [Amit]

can we have URL to Stan's group/work?

15:55:25 [Zakim]

-Rachel_Richesson

15:55:34 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:56:19 [Susie]

Vipul - Need to understand what CDISC has done for vital signs

15:56:20 [Susie]

Vipul - Need to plan for next steps

15:56:59 [Susie]

Vipul - Next call on August 14.

15:57:24 [Susie]

Vipul - Next time assign more tasks to people

15:57:49 [vipul]

http://www.detailedclinicalmodels.org

16:00:47 [vipul]

ACTION: Susie to invite W3C person to explain the invited expert process

16:01:22 [Zakim]

- +44.170.736.aajj

16:01:23 [Zakim]

-Amit_Sheth

16:01:24 [Zakim]

-Sean_Martin.a

16:01:25 [Zakim]

-Bo.Anderssen

16:01:26 [Zakim]

-Yan_Heras

16:01:28 [Zakim]

-Stan_Huff

16:01:29 [Zakim]

-susie

16:01:30 [Zakim]

-Jerry_Potrado

16:01:31 [Zakim]

-Vipul_Kashyap

16:01:32 [Zakim]

-Joey_Coyle

16:01:33 [Zakim]

-Kamaau

16:06:27 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, +1.201.572.aakk, in SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM

16:06:32 [Zakim]

SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, susie, +1.973.235.aahh, Stan_Huff, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Kamaau, Jerry_Potrado, Amit_Sheth, Joey_Coyle, Rachel_Richesson, Bo.Anderssen, Yan_Heras,

16:06:35 [Zakim]

... Steve_Dobson, +44.170.736.aajj, +1.201.572.aakk