IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-08-02

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-irc
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RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
19:58:03 [Ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
19:58:03 [Zakim]
sorry, Ben, I don't know what conference this is
19:58:04 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Drew, Gregg, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ben, Loretta, bengt, rscano
19:58:16 [Ben]
zakim, list conferences
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I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM, WAI_WCAG()3:00PM active
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also scheduled at this time are Team_(simile)19:01Z, XML_SMLWG(Editors)4:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM
19:58:20 [Ben]
zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
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ok, Ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
19:58:25 [Ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
19:58:25 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, ??P7
19:58:37 [Ben]
zakim, ??P7 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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zakim, Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
19:59:07 [Ben]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0051.html
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+??P9
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
19:59:27 [rscano]
zakim, ??P9 is Roberto_Scano
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+Roberto_Scano; got it
19:59:34 [rscano]
zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
19:59:34 [Zakim]
ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
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+Sofia_Celic
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Regrets: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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+Drew_LaHart
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agenda+ 10 July Proposals for 12 July 2007, Issues 2047 and 2176
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agenda+ 11 July Proposals for 12 July 2007
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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agenda+ July 13 Proposals for 19 July 2007
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agenda+ 2 Aug 2007 Proposals
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zakim, Sofia_Celic has Alex_li
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+Alex_li; got it
20:01:34 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
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+??P15
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+ +1.617.584.aaaa
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zakim, ??P15 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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zakim, make log world
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I don't understand 'make log world', Ben
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, who is on the phone?
20:02:49 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Roberto_Scano (muted), Sofia_Celic, Drew_LaHart, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.617.584.aaaa
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Sofia_Celic has Alex_li
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Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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zakim, 1.617.584.aaa is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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sorry, Ben, I do not recognize a party named '1.617.584.aaa'
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zakim, +1.617.584.aaa is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
20:03:53 [Ben]
zakim, who is on the phone
20:03:53 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Ben
20:04:02 [Ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:04:02 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Roberto_Scano (muted), Sofia_Celic, Drew_LaHart, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:04:06 [Zakim]
Sofia_Celic has Alex_li
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Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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scribe: awk
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+ +7.971.aabb
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+??P17
20:06:26 [bengt]
zakim, ??P17 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
20:06:41 [Ben]
zakim, +7.971.aabb is Sean_Hayes
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+Sean_Hayes; got it
20:07:06 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. 10 July Proposals for 12 July 2007, Issues 2047 and 2176 [from Ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "10 July Proposals for 12 July 2007, Issues 2047 and 2176" taken up [from Ben]
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Topic: turning off technologies (2047)
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zakim, who is on the phone?
20:09:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Roberto_Scano (muted), Sofia_Celic, Drew_LaHart, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Sean_Hayes,
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... Bengt_Farre
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Sofia_Celic has Alex_li
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Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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+??P3
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Zakim, ??P3 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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RRSAgent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-irc#T20-11-17
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+[IPcaller]
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-Drew_LaHart
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is Drew_LaHart
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+Drew_LaHart; got it
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zakim, [Microsoft] is Cynthia_Shelly
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+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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q+
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ack b
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ack l
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q+
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q-
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Action: item for Gregg to look at noscript and noframe in intro
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q+
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q-
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q+
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q_
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q-
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Resolved: 2047 accepted with amendments to clarify language
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Topic: Issue 2176: Rationale for "200%" and 50%?
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q+
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+Tim_Boland
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ack l
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ack c
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q+
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ack l
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ACTION: Put language into 2176 on rationale for 50% and into benefits section indicating benefit of 50% to tunnel-vision users and some screen magnifier users
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RESOLUTION: Accept 2176 as amended
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RESOLVED: Amend 2112 to match 2176
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RESOLUTION: Amed 2112 to match 2176
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TOPIC: July 11 Questionaire
20:39:49 [Ben]
Zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. 11 July Proposals for 12 July 2007 [from Ben]
20:39:54 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "11 July Proposals for 12 July 2007" taken up [from Ben]
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+??P4
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zakim, ??P4 is David_MacDonald
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+David_MacDonald; got it
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TOPIC: 2045: Definition of "Technology" should synchronize with AUWG's definition of "content type"
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-David_MacDonald
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-Bruce_Bailey
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RESOLUTION: accept 2045 as amended
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q+
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TOPIC: 2104: SC 2.4.8 should be at higher level
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+Bruce_Bailey
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+??P5
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ACTION: Sophia to propose solution to 2104 and 2061 for possible level AA
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ACTION: leave open
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TOPIC: 2137: defn of Assistive Technology
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q+
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q-
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q-
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RESOLUTION: 2137 as amended
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RESOLUTION: 2138 as amended
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TOPIC: 2139
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RESOLUTION: Accept 2139 as amended
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-Bruce_Bailey
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TOPIC: 2140: definition of user agent
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+Bruce_Bailey
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RESOLUTION: accept 2140 as amended
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TOPIC: 2171
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RESOLUTION: close 2171 as amended
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TOPIC: 2183
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RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed
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TOPIC: 2196
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RESOLUTION: accept 2196 as amended
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TOPIC: 2197
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RESOLUTION: accept 2197 as amended
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TOPIC: 2198
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q+
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ack a
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q+
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ack b
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ack l
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Authors should consult documentation of the accessibility support of technologies, including document lists of such technologies.
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^document lists^documented lists^
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Q+
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ack d
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ack c
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RESOLUTION: LEave open 2198
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TOPIC: 2245
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RESOLUTION: Accept 2245
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-Drew_LaHart
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TOPIC: 2289
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ACTION: Gregg to clean up language on 2289
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RESOLVED: accept 2289 as amended
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TOPIC: July 13 survey
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RESOLUTION: Accept 1985, 1949, 1968, 1964 and 1965, 2185, 2330, 2350 as unanimous
21:54:16 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
21:54:16 [Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. July 13 Proposals for 19 July 2007 [from Ben]
21:54:20 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "July 13 Proposals for 19 July 2007" taken up [from Ben]
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-Tim_Boland
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TOPIC: 1927
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RESOLUTION: ask for clarification from commenter
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TOPIC: 1948
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"not embedded in another resource within the scope of conformance"
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q+
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q+ to say, "a resource referenced by a URI that is not embedded in another resource within the scope of conformance, plus any other resources that are used in the rendering or intended to be rendered together with it?"
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q-
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q-
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a non-embedded resource that is referenced by a URI within the scope of conformance, plus any other resources that are used in the rendering or intended to be rendered together with it
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q+
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q+
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ack d
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ack l
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ack c
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q+
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ack s
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RESOLUTION: accept 1948 as amended
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-Roberto_Scano
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TOPIC: 1982
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ack b
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q+
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q+
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ack l
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ack a
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q+
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Q+
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q+
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ack g
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ack d
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ack a
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scribe: Loretta
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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-Roberto_Ellero
22:45:28 [Gregg]
Because sign language provides the ability to provide intonation, emotion and other audio information that is reflected in sign language interpretation, but not in captions, sign language interpreataion provides richer and more equivalent access to multimedia.
22:46:35 [Gregg]
People who communicate extensively in sign lagnuage are also faster in sign language.
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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ack b
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resolution: accept 1982 as amended
23:00:55 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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5. 2 Aug 2007 Proposals [from Ben]
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Present: Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Roberto_Scano, Sofia_Celic, Drew_LaHart, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Sean_Hayes, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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-??P5
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23:03:21 [Ben]
Zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Scano, Drew_LaHart, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Alex_li, +1.617.584.aaaa, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
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... Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Bengt_Farre, Sean_Hayes, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, David_MacDonald
23:03:54 [Ben]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: item for Gregg to look at noscript and noframe in intro [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-irc#T20-19-49
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ACTION: Put language into 2176 on rationale for 50% and into benefits section indicating benefit of 50% to tunnel-vision users and some screen magnifier users [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-irc#T20-36-57
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ACTION: Sophia to propose solution to 2104 and 2061 for possible level AA [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-irc#T20-55-17
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ACTION: leave open [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-irc#T20-55-22
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ACTION: Gregg to clean up language on 2289 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-wai-wcag-irc#T21-50-13