IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-07-31

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/31-xmlsec-irc

12:57:18 [fjh]

Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

12:57:18 [Zakim]

ok, fjh; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call

12:57:46 [tlr]

trackbot-ng, please start meeting

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12:58:03 [tlr]

good morning...

12:58:10 [tlr]

Frederick, I assume RRSagent is collaborating now?

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trackbot-ng, start meeting

12:58:25 [trackbot-ng]

Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/

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RRSAgent, make logs member

12:58:30 [trackbot-ng]

Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

12:58:30 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

12:58:32 [trackbot-ng]

Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference

12:58:34 [trackbot-ng]

Date: 31 July 2007

12:58:34 [tlr]

actually, it's not "please start meeting", but "start meeting"

12:58:39 [tlr]

... and it'll do the initiation stuff

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rrsagent, make logs public

12:59:07 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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zakim, call thomas-781

12:59:14 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

12:59:14 [Zakim]

+Ed_Simon

12:59:16 [tlr]

zakim, drop thomas

12:59:16 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not see a party named 'thomas'

12:59:26 [tlr]

zakim, drop thomas

12:59:26 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not see a party named 'thomas'

12:59:30 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:59:30 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ed_Simon

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+Frederick_Hirsch

12:59:39 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

12:59:39 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

12:59:41 [Zakim]

+Thomas

12:59:48 [Zakim]

+ +1.617.876.aaaa

12:59:56 [PHB]

zakim, code

12:59:56 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'code', PHB

12:59:59 [PHB]

zakim, code?

12:59:59 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB

12:59:59 [fjh]

Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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zakim, drop thomas

13:00:11 [Zakim]

Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

13:00:14 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

13:00:14 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

13:00:16 [Zakim]

+Thomas

13:00:30 [tlr]

zakim, I am thomas

13:00:30 [Zakim]

ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

13:00:31 [fjh]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0052.html

13:00:31 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

13:00:31 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

13:00:36 [Zakim]

+Anthony_Nadalin

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RRSAgent, make log public

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+??P2

13:01:10 [fjh]

Zakim, who is here?

13:01:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ed_Simon, Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas (muted), +1.617.876.aaaa, Anthony_Nadalin, ??P2 (muted)

13:01:14 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hal, PHB, Sean, EdS, tlr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jcc, fjh, trackbot-ng

13:01:15 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

13:01:18 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

13:01:31 [tlr]

zakim, ??P2 is jcc

13:01:34 [fjh]

zakim, 876 is sean

13:01:36 [Zakim]

+jcc; got it

13:01:42 [Zakim]

sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '876'

13:02:02 [fjh]

zakim, +1.617.876 is sean

13:02:04 [Zakim]

+sean; got it

13:02:13 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:02:14 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ed_Simon, Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, sean, Anthony_Nadalin, jcc

13:02:20 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hal, PHB, Sean, EdS, tlr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jcc, fjh, trackbot-ng

13:02:57 [Zakim]

+Hal_Lockhart

13:04:07 [fjh]

Regrets: Rob Miller

13:04:52 [fjh]

Topic: Administrative

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zakim, code

13:05:15 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'code', PHB2

13:05:17 [PHB2]

zakim, code?

13:05:17 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB2

13:05:21 [tlr]

ScribeNick: tlr

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+PHB

13:05:43 [tlr]

fjh: Tony trying to get the scribing set up

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.... Rob to scribe next time ...

13:05:54 [tlr]

... please submit position papers soon ...

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... thanks to repsondents to interop questionnaire ...

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... IBM is going to participate, will have 4 implementations ...

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... more people attending ...

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... thanks to Hal for definitive answer ...

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... questionnaire is closed now ...

13:06:42 [tlr]

??: who participating?

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tlr: IBM, Sean, Juan-Carlos, Konrad

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fjh: last meeting's minutes?

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http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-xmlsec-minutes

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RESOLUTION: minutes approved

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Topic: action items

13:08:20 [fjh]

action 26 open

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action-50 open

13:09:14 [fjh]

ACTION-53 not ready for last call, due to XPointer issue, close. Open new issue when ready

13:09:36 [fjh]

action-64 done, close

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action-65 keep open

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ScribeNick: nadalin

13:10:34 [tlr]

welcome tony

13:10:54 [jcc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2002AprJun/att-0016/01-merlin-xmldsig-twenty-three.tar.gz

13:11:06 [fjh]

to develop/retrieve test cases for C14N with comments, scheme-based xpointers

13:11:11 [nadalin]

Scribe:nadalin

13:11:27 [tlr]

q+

13:12:06 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:12:43 [fjh]

correction - keep action 53 has pending rather than closing, revisit later.

13:13:14 [tlr]

fjh, you're confusing me -- 53 is the "work toward last call" one that we closed.

13:13:15 [tlr]

this is 65

13:13:40 [nadalin]

jcc:generate more simple test cases, jcc to send proposal to list

13:13:42 [tlr]

I'm hearing jcc perfectly well

13:13:51 [EdS]

jcc, I hear him fine too.

13:14:11 [Zakim]

+??P11

13:14:12 [klanz2]

zakim, ? is klanz2

13:14:12 [Zakim]

+klanz2; got it

13:14:19 [nadalin]

thomas: done with 53 and 65

13:14:26 [tlr]

... for the purpose of this call ...

13:15:10 [nadalin]

ACTION: JCC to send proposal for 65 to list

13:15:10 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-70 - Send proposal for 65 to list [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-08-07].

13:15:14 [tlr]

fjh: 65 continued; juan carlos to refine

13:15:31 [klanz2]

zakim, mute me

13:15:31 [Zakim]

klanz2 should now be muted

13:15:41 [nadalin]

fjh: action 66 complete

13:16:16 [nadalin]

fjh: action 67 complete

13:16:28 [fjh]

action 67, also added xquery 1.0

13:16:47 [nadalin]

fjh:action 68 still open

13:17:40 [fjh]

use test cases for examples in test cases

13:17:57 [fjh]

s/in test cases/in best practices/

13:17:58 [nadalin]

fjh:action 69 still some stuff EdS has to complete, there are attribute name issues still open

13:18:26 [tlr]

utf-8 string is superset of printable utf-8 string. ;)

13:18:33 [nadalin]

Sean: UTF8 and Printable String issues, are they the same ?

13:20:43 [nadalin]

Sean: Send email to list on the UTF8 and printable UTF8 sting

13:21:09 [nadalin]

fjh: action 69 closed

13:21:44 [tlr]

ACTION: sean to send e-mail to list on UTF-8 and printable UTF-8 strings

13:21:44 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-71 - Send e-mail to list on UTF-8 and printable UTF-8 strings [on Sean Mullan - due 2007-08-07].

13:21:59 [tlr]

topic: xpointer issues

13:22:15 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/

13:22:17 [nadalin]

fjh: new editor draft from Thomas

13:23:41 [tlr]

xpointer() XPointer scheme in WD

13:24:22 [nadalin]

tlr:use language from XPointer framework

13:25:32 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-ReferenceProcessingModel

13:25:45 [Zakim]

-Thomas

13:25:50 [EdS]

I don't hear Thomas

13:26:04 [klanz2]

zakim, unmute me

13:26:04 [Zakim]

klanz2 should no longer be muted

13:28:35 [jcc]

Support of the xpointer() scheme [XPointer-xpointer] beyond the minimal usage discussed in this section is discouraged.

13:28:41 [nadalin]

fjh: is xpointer reference recomendation removed from draft, should this be put back in

13:29:38 [klanz2]

We will just have to make sure the optional Xpointer functionality supported up to now is not prohibited now

13:29:55 [nadalin]

fjh: people review the redline

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-klanz2

13:31:02 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:31:02 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ed_Simon, Frederick_Hirsch, sean, Anthony_Nadalin, jcc, Hal_Lockhart, PHB

13:31:06 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

13:31:08 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

13:31:09 [Zakim]

+Thomas

13:31:19 [tlr]

sorry

13:31:50 [Zakim]

+Konrad_Lanz

13:32:37 [nadalin]

Konrad:have to make sure that the previous xpointer funtionality is not removed

13:32:57 [nadalin]

tlr: its still optional in the latest draft

13:34:00 [nadalin]

fjh: use of xpointer is optional not recommended

13:35:35 [nadalin]

Konrad: to review and get back to thomas

13:36:21 [tlr]

q+

13:36:25 [fjh]

ACTION: klanz2 to review existing use of XML Signature and Xpointer with respect to new redline

13:36:25 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-72 - Review existing use of XML Signature and Xpointer with respect to new redline [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-08-07].

13:36:26 [tlr]

q- thomas

13:36:31 [tlr]

q- tlr

13:36:31 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:38:09 [klanz2]

#xpointer(//'*[attr='rue'])

13:38:21 [tlr]

interesting.

13:38:23 [klanz2]

#xpointer(//*[attr='rue'])

13:38:41 [fjh]

ebics

13:38:42 [klanz2]

ebics

13:38:43 [nadalin]

fjh: how many folks are using this form

13:39:07 [tlr]

q+

13:39:27 [nadalin]

fjh: can we share editors draft with companies so we can get feedback

13:39:37 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:39:47 [EdS]

A Google search on "ebics xpointer" produces a number of interesting examples where xpointer.

13:40:07 [EdS]

s/where xpointer./where xpointer is used./

13:40:13 [nadalin]

klanz2: to share drafts and get feedback

13:40:42 [fjh]

ACTION: klanz2 to check which xpointers are used and where, contact ebics etc

13:40:42 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-73 - Check which xpointers are used and where, contact ebics etc [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-08-07].

13:42:14 [tlr]

q+

13:42:24 [tlr]

q-

13:42:31 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:44:51 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-c14nAlg

13:45:10 [nadalin]

tlr: exclusive C14N is not prohibited

13:45:11 [fjh]

The Exclusive XML Canonicalization Recommendation [XML-exc-C14N] may be used to address requirements resulting from scenarios where a subdocument is moved between contexts.

13:46:16 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-c14nAlg

13:47:02 [Sean]

q+

13:47:08 [EdS]

q+

13:47:50 [nadalin]

trl [XML-exc-C14N] is mandatory to implement

13:48:21 [EdS]

C14N 1.1 is incompatible with C14N 1.0.

13:48:50 [tlr]

s/XML-exc-C14N/C14N1.0/

13:48:56 [EdS]

q-

13:49:26 [tlr]

+1 to that

13:49:30 [EdS]

q+

13:49:38 [fjh]

ack sean

13:49:59 [fjh]

add exclusive to wiki, for chartering, what we want to do

13:50:18 [tlr]

q+

13:51:21 [fjh]

does exclusive c14n spec need update for c14n11

13:51:31 [fjh]

s/does/sean asked does

13:52:51 [tlr]

attributes in the XML namespace, such as xml:lang and xml:space are not imported into orphan nodes of the document subset, and

13:53:57 [klanz2]

zakim, mute me

13:53:57 [Zakim]

sorry, klanz2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:54:20 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call

13:54:20 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the call', fjh

13:54:24 [fjh]

zakim, who is here

13:54:24 [Zakim]

fjh, you need to end that query with '?'

13:54:29 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:54:29 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ed_Simon, Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, sean, Anthony_Nadalin, jcc, Hal_Lockhart, PHB, Konrad_Lanz

13:54:32 [Zakim]

On IRC I see tlr, nadalin, klanz2, PHB2, hal, PHB, Sean, EdS, RRSAgent, Zakim, jcc, fjh, trackbot-ng

13:54:39 [fjh]

zakim, Konrad_Lanz is klanz2

13:54:39 [Zakim]

+klanz2; got it

13:54:40 [klanz2]

zakim, Konrad_Lanz is klanz2

13:54:41 [Zakim]

sorry, klanz2, I do not recognize a party named 'Konrad_Lanz'

13:54:45 [nadalin]

tlr: should be no problems with [XML-exc-C14N] per Sean's issue

13:55:12 [EdS]

I'm on the queue.

13:55:23 [fjh]

ack EdS

13:56:42 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:57:55 [fjh]

tlr: decided at f2f C14N10 remains manditory to enable implementations to receive signatures from previous implementations

13:57:56 [nadalin]

EdS: are there interop issues with C14N 1.0 and C14N 1.1

13:57:59 [klanz2]

q+

13:58:12 [fjh]

... c14n11 recommended for going forward

13:58:15 [fjh]

ack klanz\

13:58:20 [fjh]

ack klan

13:58:21 [fjh]

z

13:58:49 [fjh]

klanz: c14n11 explicit in transforms, also.

13:59:00 [EdS]

I did not ask whether there are interop issues with C14N 1.0 and C14N1.1. -- there will be! Please correct the minutes above.

14:02:54 [EdS]

The minutes should indicate that lack of interoperability between C14N1.1 and C14N 1.0, as it affects the original XML Signature specification and the revised one, was discussed. Thomas reviewed the stance of the first Face-to-Face that addresses this issue.

14:03:15 [tlr]

thanks ed

14:03:53 [tlr]

jcc, I think we can take this offline

14:04:34 [tlr]

put it into CVS.

14:05:37 [Zakim]

-PHB

14:05:45 [klanz2]

q+

14:06:07 [fjh]

juan carlos: added tests for xml:base , suggest using konrad's cases for appendix A

14:06:20 [klanz2]

ack klanz2

14:06:32 [fjh]

... next step, test cases for scheme based XPointer

14:06:42 [fjh]

... will be available until next week

14:06:45 [fjh]

ack klanz

14:07:40 [nadalin]

Sean: is everone going to submit a position paper

14:09:19 [tlr]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:09:19 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/31-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

14:09:20 [Zakim]

-sean

14:09:34 [tlr]

rrsagent, make record public

14:09:41 [Zakim]

-Ed_Simon

14:09:48 [tlr]

zakim, who was on the phone?

14:09:48 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, tlr.

14:09:56 [tlr]

zakim, list participants

14:09:56 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Ed_Simon, Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, +1.617.876.aaaa, Anthony_Nadalin, jcc, sean, Hal_Lockhart, PHB, klanz2

14:10:00 [tlr]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:10:00 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/31-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

14:11:07 [tlr]

Present: Ed_Simon, Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas_Roessler, Anthony_Nadalin, JuanCarlos, Sean_Mullan, Hal_Lockhart, Phil_HallamBaker, Konrad_Lanz

14:11:11 [tlr]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:11:11 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/31-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

14:12:01 [klanz2]

CVS ?

14:12:01 [klanz2]

Host: dev.w3.org

14:12:01 [klanz2]

path: /w3ccvs/WWW/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core

14:12:01 [klanz2]

user: klanz2

14:13:10 [tlr]

cvs.w3.org /w3ccvs/WWW/2007/xmlsec/interop/

14:13:38 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/

14:14:03 [tlr]

Subject: [closed] Re: Account Request Form: klanz2 - cvs_access

14:15:34 [tlr]

zakim, drop me

14:15:34 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not see a party named 'tlr'

14:15:39 [tlr]

zakim, drop thomas

14:15:39 [Zakim]

Thomas is being disconnected

14:15:40 [Zakim]

-Thomas

14:15:40 [Zakim]

-Hal_Lockhart

14:15:42 [Zakim]

-Frederick_Hirsch

14:15:43 [Zakim]

-klanz2

14:15:44 [Zakim]

-jcc

14:15:47 [Zakim]

-Anthony_Nadalin

14:15:48 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Ed_Simon, Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, +1.617.876.aaaa, Anthony_Nadalin, jcc, sean, Hal_Lockhart, PHB, klanz2

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