IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-07-26

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19:51:45 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make log world
19:51:49 [MichaelC]
meeting: WCAG
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chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0046.html
19:52:18 [MichaelC]
scribeOptions: -scribeOnly
19:53:45 [David_MacDonald]
009-71-50-382-1761 is my # apparently
19:54:34 [David_MacDonald]
:-)
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19:57:35 [David_MacDonald]
roberto ...Loretta can't get in with the # I gave... can you try... your a wiz on international stuff...
19:57:47 [rscano]
ok
19:57:59 [rscano]
i call zakim first
19:58:02 [rscano]
then invite u
19:58:22 [David_MacDonald]
sure but I'mn not sure the # is working maybe just a test first
19:58:31 [Zakim]
WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
19:58:38 [Zakim]
+??P0
19:58:45 [rscano]
zakim, ??P0 is Roberto Scano
19:58:45 [Zakim]
I don't understand '??P0 is Roberto Scano', rscano
19:59:02 [rscano]
zakim, +??P0 is Roberto_Scano
19:59:02 [Zakim]
sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
19:59:10 [rscano]
zakim, ??P0 is Roberto_Scano
19:59:10 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Scano; got it
19:59:16 [rscano]
zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
19:59:16 [Zakim]
ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
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+Cooper
20:00:37 [MichaelC]
zakim, Roberto has David_MacDonald
20:00:37 [Zakim]
+David_MacDonald; got it
20:00:39 [Zakim]
+ +1.240.855.aaaa
20:00:48 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.240 is Bruce_Bailey
20:00:48 [Zakim]
+Bruce_Bailey; got it
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+??P6
20:01:45 [Zakim]
+??P7
20:02:03 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P7 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
20:02:11 [rellero_]
Zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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+Alex_Li
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+??P9
20:03:29 [Ben]
zakim, ??P9 is Ben_Caldwell
20:03:29 [Zakim]
+Ben_Caldwell; got it
20:03:32 [Zakim]
+ +1.410.757.aabb
20:03:46 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.410 is Drew_LaHart
20:03:46 [Zakim]
+Drew_LaHart; got it
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+Sofia_Celic
20:05:31 [MichaelC]
scribe: Sofia
20:05:37 [MichaelC]
zakim, take up item 1
20:05:37 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
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+ +7.971.aacc
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zakim, +7 is Sean_Hayes
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+Sean_Hayes; got it
20:07:52 [Zakim]
+Tim_Boland
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-Alex_Li
20:09:18 [MichaelC]
zakim, take up next item
20:09:18 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "9 July Proposals for 12 July 2007, starting at Issue 2029 <http://tinyurl.com/22vf62>" taken up [from MichaelC]
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topic: 2029
20:13:54 [Ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:13:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Ellero, Bengt_Farre, Ben_Caldwell, Drew_LaHart, Sofia_Celic, Sean_Hayes, Tim_Boland
20:13:57 [Zakim]
Roberto_Scano has David_MacDonald
20:14:05 [Ben]
zakim, Sofia_Celic has Alex_Li
20:14:05 [Zakim]
+Alex_Li; got it
20:17:21 [David_MacDonald]
i'm in
20:21:51 [David_MacDonald]
i'll do it
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RESOLUTION: action item to David to update resolution for 2029 and understanding of 1.3.1 to indicate that providing info in text is not the prefered approach.
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20:24:47 [Sofia]
topic: 2036
20:25:50 [Loretta]
q+
20:28:38 [Loretta]
ack l
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ack b
20:31:55 [rscano]
ok
20:32:01 [rscano]
zakim, unmute me
20:32:01 [Zakim]
Roberto_Scano should no longer be muted
20:32:23 [David_MacDonald]
q+
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ack d
20:34:12 [Sofia]
q+
20:34:24 [Loretta]
ack s
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q+
20:36:03 [Loretta]
ack l
20:36:31 [Ben]
q+
20:36:52 [Loretta]
ack b
20:37:04 [Loretta]
ack bruce
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q+ ben
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q+ alex
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ack ben
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q+
20:39:18 [Loretta]
ack a
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ack s
20:43:36 [Sofia]
ACTION: Sofia, Loretta, Gregg, David, Tim and Alex to discuss difference between conformance levels.
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ack br
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topic: 2081
20:48:06 [Sofia]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:48:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Ellero, Bengt_Farre, Ben_Caldwell, Drew_LaHart, Sofia_Celic, Sean_Hayes, Tim_Boland
20:48:09 [Zakim]
Sofia_Celic has Alex_Li
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Roberto_Scano has David_MacDonald
20:53:31 [Ben]
q+
20:53:44 [Loretta]
ack b
20:56:27 [rscano]
I respond for IWA: advisory
21:00:30 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: accept proposal as amended
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topic: 2074
21:03:50 [Loretta]
ack b
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ack br
21:05:58 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: accept proposal as amended
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topic: 2132
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ACTION: Sean to write note for SC 2.2.3 about pausing not requiring buffering information.
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RESOLUTION: leave open
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topic: 2150
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RESOLUTION: leave open
21:26:29 [Sofia]
Topic: 2153
21:28:50 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: accept proposal as amended
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Topic: 2154
21:31:14 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: leave open
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Topic: 2160
21:36:02 [Zakim]
+Cynthia_Shelly
21:36:19 [MichaelC]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070709proposals/results#x2160
21:40:37 [Sofia]
ACTION: Drew to add proposed language to guideline about testing with users with disabilities
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RESOLUTION: leave open
21:41:39 [Sofia]
Topic: 2210
21:42:22 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: leave open
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Topic: 2230
21:43:34 [Drew]
q+
21:43:52 [Loretta]
ack d
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-Tim_Boland
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q+
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ack d
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ACTION: David to review understanding for SC 2.4.9 for clarity for HTML
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RESOLUTION: accept proposal as amended
21:53:46 [Sofia]
Topic: 2252
21:53:49 [rscano]
i must hang up. sorry.
21:54:52 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Scano
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RESOLUTION: leave open
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Topic: 2253
21:55:51 [David_MacDonald]
roberto did you drop
21:55:58 [rscano]
yep sorry
21:56:13 [rscano]
i have end credit in skype
21:56:35 [David_MacDonald]
anyone else dial me in its 2am but i'm willing to continue
21:56:50 [rscano]
bengt if has skype can call u
21:57:05 [bengt]
sure how
21:57:40 [rscano]
make a conference and invite him
21:57:46 [David_MacDonald]
Hi roberto did you just dial the number? 009-71-50-382-1761 could you give the steps
21:58:14 [rscano]
if he has call the conference bridge, simple choose to add people to conference
21:58:18 [rscano]
and add your phone number
21:58:38 [rscano]
then david will pay to me and bengt two pizzas :)
21:58:44 [David_MacDonald]
yup
21:59:59 [David_MacDonald]
yup
22:00:07 [rscano]
ok :)
22:00:24 [rscano]
rscano solutions make dubai accessible :D
22:00:26 [David_MacDonald]
thaks roberto you rock!
22:00:37 [rscano]
bye
22:00:43 [David_MacDonald]
bye
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RESOLUTION: leave open
22:03:53 [Drew]
q+
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ack d
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Topic: 2259
22:09:34 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Ellero
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ACTION: Cynthia to write technique on alternative to user interface components
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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Topic: 2306
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RESOLUTION: leave open
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Topic: 2321
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q+ alex
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q- alex
22:28:16 [Drew]
q+
22:29:00 [Loretta]
ack d
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* The same results should be obtained with a high level of confidence when the content is test by people...
22:30:14 [Drew]
* The same results should be obtained with a high level of confidence when the content is tested by people who understand how people with different types of disabilities use the Web test the same content.
22:31:26 [Drew]
* The same results should be obtained with a high level of confidence when the content is tested by those who understand how people with different types of disabilities use the Web test.
22:33:30 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: accept proposal as amended
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Topic: 2325
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RESOLUTION: leave open
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Topic: 2334
22:47:58 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: accept as proposed
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Topic: 2061
22:52:37 [Ben]
q+
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ack b
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ACTION: Sofia and David to look at possible AA level SC related to links and suggest sufficient techniques for advisory for 2.4.4
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RESOLUTION: leave open
22:56:20 [MichaelC]
zakim, next item
22:56:20 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "10 July Proposals for 12 July 2007 <http://tinyurl.com/3cs9dp>" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:57:04 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: unanimous consent for 2322, 2323, 2327, 2331, 2353.
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Topic: 2034
23:04:39 [Sofia]
RESOLUTION: accept proposal as amended
23:05:37 [Zakim]
-Cynthia_Shelly
23:05:37 [David_MacDonald]
funny
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Cooper
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Ben_Caldwell
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Sean_Hayes
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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23:07:03 [Ben]
Present: Roberto_Scano, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Ellero, Bengt_Farre, Ben_Caldwell, Drew_LaHart, Sofia_Celic, Sean_Hayes, Tim_Boland, Roberto_Scano has David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Cynthia_Shelly
23:07:08 [Ben]
RRSAgent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-irc#T23-07-08
23:07:20 [Ben]
zakim, bye
23:07:20 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Cooper, David_MacDonald, +1.240.855.aaaa, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bengt_Farre, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Ben_Caldwell,
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... +1.410.757.aabb, Drew_LaHart, +7.971.aacc, Sean_Hayes, Tim_Boland, Cynthia_Shelly
23:07:29 [Ben]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Sofia, Loretta, Gregg, David, Tim and Alex to discuss difference between conformance levels. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-irc#T20-43-36
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ACTION: Sean to write note for SC 2.2.3 about pausing not requiring buffering information. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-irc#T21-10-43
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ACTION: Drew to add proposed language to guideline about testing with users with disabilities [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-irc#T21-40-37
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ACTION: David to review understanding for SC 2.4.9 for clarity for HTML [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-irc#T21-52-41
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ACTION: Cynthia to write technique on alternative to user interface components [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-irc#T22-12-53
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ACTION: Sofia and David to look at possible AA level SC related to links and suggest sufficient techniques for advisory for 2.4.4 [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-wai-wcag-irc#T22-53-50