IRC log of sweo on 2007-07-25

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13:57:38 [ivan]

rrsagent, set log public

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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started

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+ +1.781.662.aaaa

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+ +49.895.480.aabb

13:59:37 [ivan]

zakim, dial ivan-617

13:59:37 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; the call is being made

13:59:38 [Zakim]

+Ivan

13:59:46 [Zakim]

+??P8

13:59:52 [bengee]

zakim, ??P9 is me

13:59:52 [Zakim]

sorry, bengee, I do not recognize a party named '??P9'

13:59:55 [Zakim]

+LeeF

13:59:57 [ivan]

zakim, aaaa is susie

13:59:57 [Zakim]

+susie; got it

13:59:58 [bengee]

zakim, ??P8 is me

13:59:58 [Zakim]

+bengee; got it

14:00:07 [ivan]

zakim who is here?

14:00:16 [ivan]

zakim, who is here?

14:00:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see susie, +49.895.480.aabb, Ivan, bengee, LeeF

14:00:17 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Dunja, RRSAgent, Zakim, Susie, bengee, ivan, LeeF_, uldis__, _uldis_

14:00:32 [ivan]

zakim, aabb is dunja

14:00:32 [Zakim]

+dunja; got it

14:01:06 [Zakim]

+Kingsley_Idehen

14:01:39 [kidehen]

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14:03:48 [bengee]

topic: flyer

14:04:15 [bengee]

susie would like to provide some additions

14:04:36 [bengee]

objective: to get the flyer finished during the next few weeks

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14:05:04 [bengee]

bengee sent mail to the list about maybe discussing things too much, leading to a delay

14:05:26 [bengee]

susie suggests to have a flyer-only meeting

14:05:34 [bengee]

.. then report back to the group

14:05:46 [bengee]

.. then aproach the comm team

14:05:49 [Zakim]

+??P11

14:05:57 [leobard]

leo phoned in

14:06:07 [ivan]

zakim, P11 is leo

14:06:07 [Zakim]

sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'

14:06:16 [ivan]

zakim, ??P11 is leo

14:06:16 [Zakim]

+leo; got it

14:06:27 [bengee]

dunja happy about proposal to move things forward that way

14:07:12 [bengee]

possible problem: forthcoming w3c semweb branding

14:07:36 [bengee]

ivan doesn't think it'll have an effect on the flyer design

14:08:10 [bengee]

basic flyer design should be ale to stay as is, maybe a/the semweb logo will be added

14:09:17 [Dunja]

I'm out again, I try to dial in...

14:09:37 [Zakim]

-LeeF

14:09:38 [bengee]

.. a color tweak might be needed/helpful

14:09:59 [bengee]

to be in line with (exact) w3c ones

14:10:10 [Zakim]

+LeeF

14:10:41 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:10:56 [ivan]

zakim, ??P12 is dunja

14:10:56 [Zakim]

+dunja; got it

14:12:00 [bengee]

topic: logo/semweb branding

14:12:32 [bengee]

there was a meeting with the comm team last week

14:12:42 [bengee]

progress is made

14:13:13 [bengee]

.. there'll be a general semweb branding consisting of a logo and a color palette

14:13:57 [bengee]

.. with the possibility to create tech logos w/o conflicting with the higher level branding

14:14:20 [bengee]

topic: flyer (2)

14:14:58 [bengee]

action: ivan to organize w3c color specs and make them available to dunja

14:15:35 [Zakim]

-dunja.a

14:15:40 [Dunja]

I try again...

14:16:18 [bengee]

flyer meeting date will be coordinated via email

14:16:31 [bengee]

topic: use cases / case studies

14:16:39 [bengee]

no news

14:17:08 [LeeF_]

it's a long presentation :)

14:17:39 [bengee]

.. trying to contact/encourage additional people

14:17:48 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:17:54 [bengee]

topic: info gathering

14:18:33 [bengee]

leo reports

14:18:38 [bengee]

... endpoint is up

14:18:55 [bengee]

... minor bug fixing going on

14:20:01 [bengee]

.. no major issues, just didn't start utlizing it really

14:20:21 [bengee]

.. suggests to do some tests/use cases for the portal

14:20:51 [bengee]

kingsley preaches to the converted

14:21:13 [bengee]

... wonders about interface structure

14:22:24 [bengee]

... thinks the approach is right, but it's not clear who is goingn to write the view/app layer

14:23:09 [bengee]

danja suggested to replicate the data and use a (standalone) browser like longwell

14:23:57 [bengee]

which might work, but a more light-weight (off-endpoint) solution would be more interesting/clean

14:24:33 [bengee]

leo to create some test scripts

14:24:59 [LeeF]

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14:25:07 [bengee]

... for next sewo call (in 2 weeks)

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s/sewo/sweo/

14:26:46 [LeeF]

q+ to ruminate on education and outreach

14:26:48 [bengee]

susie mentions people who are working on a portal, suggests giving access and maintaining a list of people working with the sweo data

14:27:12 [bengee]

.. access is given already (via endpoint)

14:28:10 [bengee]

kidehen suggests to divide the "deliverables" with task one (access) being done, and a/many portal/s as a different activity

14:28:59 [leobard]

all the people shold be listed here:

14:28:59 [leobard]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataSources

14:29:06 [bengee]

... might make sense to "outsource" the portal creation

14:29:25 [bengee]

.. might happen automatically anyway

14:30:26 [ivan]

q+

14:31:18 [bengee]

LeeF thinks data + endpoint is not enough for effective outreach

14:32:12 [bengee]

.. human-oriented thingy should be available, no matter if created by sweo or third parties

14:32:29 [leobard]

q+

14:33:38 [Susie]

The Semantic Report portal: http://semanticreport.com/

14:33:55 [leobard]

Ivan, they are in section "Information on Communities and Outreach Organizations"

14:34:14 [bengee]

ivan thinks wiki might be extneded with a page for people re-using the data (not DataSources)

14:35:04 [leobard]

q+

14:35:28 [bengee]

... not sure about bandwidth to create a portal from internal sweo energies

14:35:37 [bengee]

.. happy to be proven wrong

14:36:52 [bengee]

leo suggests to create a portal creation tutorial instead

14:37:20 [leobard]

I also suggest that we, instead of writing a portal, we write the content that would live on such portal

14:37:35 [leobard]

for example, we write guides for "beginners guide for the semantic web"

14:38:15 [bengee]

susie asks the group to think about priorities

14:38:35 [bengee]

... what to focus on in the upcoming weeks/months

14:38:49 [Zakim]

-leo

14:39:26 [bengee]

... to define some (achievable) next actions

14:39:37 [bengee]

topic: community projects

14:39:45 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:39:45 [leobard]

rehi

14:39:54 [leobard]

zakim, -??p0 is leo

14:39:54 [Zakim]

sorry, leobard, I do not recognize a party named '-??p0'

14:39:58 [ivan]

zakim, ??P0 is leo

14:39:58 [Zakim]

+leo; got it

14:40:21 [bengee]

... may benefit from a status update, to check progress

14:41:27 [Susie]

Leo can publish URI document as a SWEO note.

14:41:37 [leobard]

cya

14:41:38 [Zakim]

-bengee

14:41:46 [Susie]

Waiting for feeddback from Richard on the note.

14:42:24 [LeeF]

I don't know if we want to open this can of worms, but the SW HCLS IG recently had a huge thread on URIs - do we want to solicit comments from them?

14:43:50 [leobard]

my uri paper sums up the TAG findings regarding http-range-14, so its on safe ground. And its a tutorial. I would not consider any ohter sources besides TAG :-))

14:44:17 [leobard]

in this URI things, there is a whole supermarket of "can of worms"

14:44:23 [LeeF]

:-D

14:44:37 [ivan]

q?

14:44:43 [ivan]

ack leef

14:44:43 [Zakim]

LeeF, you wanted to ruminate on education and outreach

14:44:44 [LeeF]

ack LeeF

14:44:45 [ivan]

ack ivan

14:44:48 [ivan]

ack leobard

14:44:58 [LeeF]

I think we should go back to 8-character identifiers for everything - not much room to disagree on schemes there

14:45:29 [leobard]

the linked data document is a little different. we should make one tutorial that gives the links to the best documents

14:45:49 [leobard]

+1 to kingsley, we can tie the stuff together

14:46:06 [LeeF]

tie the stuff together using a SW info portal?

14:46:29 [leobard]

LeeF: portal would be cool, but I doubt we can stem that. One tutorial we write together in

14:46:36 [leobard]

one html page should be a good start.

14:51:13 [leobard]

kingsley, do you mean that http-range-14 is bad for doing evangelism and outreach? (hm)

14:55:20 [leobard]

kingsley: perhaps we can add one good sentence to the "cool uris" document saying "HTTP uris are one way to identify resource, other, equally valid appraoches are urn, etc etc"

14:57:04 [Zakim]

-Kingsley_Idehen

14:57:05 [Zakim]

-susie

14:57:05 [Zakim]

-Ivan

14:57:06 [Zakim]

-??P12

14:57:10 [Zakim]

-leo

14:57:30 [ivan]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:57:30 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/25-sweo-minutes.html ivan

14:57:36 [ivan]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/25-sweo-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: ivan to organize w3c color specs and make them available to dunja [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/25-sweo-irc#T14-14-58