IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-07-19
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- zakim, +1.410 is Drew_LaHart
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- zakim, [IPcaller is Roberto_Scano
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- +Roberto_Scano; got it
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- zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
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- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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- zakim, Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [Ipcaller is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- +Alex_Li
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- meeting: WCAG
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JulSep/0038.html
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- zakim, ??P18 is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- I'll be a few minutes late
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- agenda+ July 4 Proposals - SET #2 for 05 July 2007 <http://tinyurl.com/2qnkjx>
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- + +1.321.622.aabb
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- agenda+ July 6 Proposals for 12 July 2007 <http://tinyurl.com/275ysf>
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- zakim, +1.321 is Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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- agenda+ 9 July Proposals for 12 July 2007 <http://tinyurl.com/22vf62>
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +[IBM]
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- agenda+ 10 July Proposals for 12 July 2007 <http://tinyurl.com/3cs9dp>
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- zakim, IBM is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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- + +7.971.aacc
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- zakim, +7 is Sean_Hayes
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- +Sean_Hayes; got it
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- scribe: Drew_LaHart
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- scribeNick: Drew
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- Resolution: Attach duplicate issue to existing resolutions
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- s/issue/issues/
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "July 4 Proposals - SET #2 for 05 July 2007 <http://tinyurl.com/2qnkjx>" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- topic: Issue 2200: 1.1. Non-text Content / Controls-Input
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- -Roberto_Scano
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- +??P5
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- zakim, ??P5 is Roberto_Scano
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- +Roberto_Scano; got it
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- scribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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- zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
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- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
- 20:19:40 [MichaelC]
- Respond with: "Name" is defined in the glossary as "text by which software can identify a component within Web content to the user" which is available to assistive technology but may or may not be visually presented, while "label" is defined to be always visually presented. The SC requires that a name be provided but not that it be visually presented. For example consider a phone or serial...
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- @@Add note to definition of "label" {to clarify the parallels and differences with definition of name}: "A label is presented to all users whereas the name may be hidden and only exposed by assistive technology. In many (but not all) cases the name and the label are the same."
- 20:19:43 [MichaelC]
- ...number field where there is one label at the left but then several text fields next to the label. Each field would need a name to identify them to AT, e.g. "(area code) (first 3 digits of phone number) (last 4 digits of phone number)" respectively, but they would not each need a visible label.
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- Resolution: closed 2200 as amended with Michael's amendment
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- topic: 2319: Guideline 1.1 wording
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- Resoluton: close 2319 as amended
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- Action: Gregg Add "presentation neutral" to understanding
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- topic: 2063: associated text
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- Resolution: reopen 2063
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- Action: Gregg, Loretta, Ben, Michael to talk with Al
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- Action to = Gregg, Loretta, Ben, Michael to talk with Al regarding 2063
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- topic: 2082: confusion with non-live audio/video
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- Suggest someone needs an action item here...
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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- Emerging Technology (ARIA and Dojo)
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- •3Q/4Q develop skills implementing Dojo widgets and ARIA custom widgets
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- •Additional tasks as requested
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- Action: Sean and Andrew to examine Audio/video/multimedia/interaction issue
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- topic: 2093: The relationship between labels and names is not clear enough.
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- Action 2 = Gregg, Loretta, Ben, Michael to talk with Al regardng 2063
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- s/Action to = Gregg, Loretta, Ben, Michael to talk with Al regardng 2063//
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- Resolution: reopen 2093
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- Action: Loretta, Gregg for 2093 to make a shorter note that would fit in the guidelines
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- topic: 2147: better handle for bullet 1
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- Resolution: reopen 2147
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- Resolution: Close 2147 by unanimous consent
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- Resolution: reopen 2159
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- topic: 2288: Rewording of 1.1.1
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- Resolution: close 2288 as proposed
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- topic: 2290: extend alternative to text to audio-only or video-only
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- Resolution: reopen 2290
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- topic: 2314: access to the text alternatives for image maps
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- Action: Sean, Sofia to explore 2314
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "July 6 Proposals for 12 July 2007 <http://tinyurl.com/275ysf>" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- Resolution: accepted with unanimous consent 2019, 2087, 2125, 2133, 2151, 2114, 2164, 2207, 2213, 2229, 2317
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- topic: 1951: change "and" to "or"
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- -Roberto_Scano
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- Resolution: close 1951 as amended
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- Action: Michael to write definition for link text with Sean review
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- brb
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- topic: 2112: Grounds for "200%"
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- Resolution: close 2112 as amended
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- topic: 2152: programmatically determinable
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- Resolution: close 2152 as proposed
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- Topic: 2228: form focus order example
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack c
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack l
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- Action: Loretta, Sofia, Cynthia, Alex to work on 2228
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- Lost my phone connection
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- will get it back
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- topic: 2249: Wording suggests that a link context is required
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- Resolution: close 2249 as amended
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- topic: 2292: Which page title?
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- Resolution: close 2292 as amended
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- topic: 2312 Guideline (2.3) too broad
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- Resolution: close 2312 as amended
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- topic: 2008: Ban hiding link text
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- q+
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- ack l
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- Acton: Loretta and Sean to talk about 2008
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- Action: Loretta and Sean to talk about 2008
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- +??P2
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- Action: Gregg to talk to Jim Thatcher re 2008
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- s/Acton: Loretta and Sean to talk about 2008//
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- Resolution: accepted with unanimous consent 2178, 2050, 2090, 2117, 2120, 2324, 2345, 2347, 2348
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- topic: 2037, 1953, 2108 : Level Names
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- -Roberto_Ellero
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- q+
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- ack andi
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- q+
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- ack l
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- Resolution: reopen 2037, 1953, 2108
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- topic: 2061: SC 2.4.8: Level of priority
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- topic: 1928: H74 and H75 - unclear why id attributes should be unique
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- Resolution: reopen 1928
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- topic: 2026: Levels on conformance
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- -Alex_Li
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- Resolution: close 2026 as amended
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- -??P2
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- -Cooper
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- -Sean_Hayes
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- -Drew_LaHart
- 23:10:15 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T23-10-15
- 23:10:16 [MichaelC]
- zakim, drop Andi
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- Andi_Snow-Weaver is being disconnected
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.410.757.aaaa, Cooper, [IPcaller], Drew_LaHart, Roberto_Scano, Ben_Caldwell, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero, +1.321.622.aabb, Christophe_Strobbe,
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- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow-Weaver, +7.971.aacc, Sean_Hayes, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cynthia_Shelly
- 23:10:29 [MichaelC]
- zakim, bye
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- 23:20:02 [Ben]
- Present: Michael_Cooper, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Drew_LaHart, Roberto_Scano, Ben_Caldwell, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Sean_Hayes, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cynthia_Shelly, Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 23:20:04 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Gregg Add "presentation neutral" to understanding [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-33-55
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Gregg, Loretta, Ben, Michael to talk with Al regardng 2063 [2]
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-36-15
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean and Andrew to examine Audio/video/multimedia/interaction issue [3]
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-47-50
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Loretta, Gregg for 2093 to make a shorter note that would fit in the guidelines [4]
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-57-39
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean, Sofia to explore 2314 [5]
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T21-22-04
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Michael to write definition for link text with Sean review [6]
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T21-36-56
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Loretta, Sofia, Cynthia, Alex to work on 2228 [7]
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T21-52-16
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- ACTION: Loretta and Sean to talk about 2008 [8]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T22-23-21
- 23:20:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Gregg to talk to Jim Thatcher re 2008 [9]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-wai-wcag-irc#T22-23-43