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13:32:22 zakim, this will be xhtml
13:32:22 ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
13:32:38 Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:32:51 Chair: Roland, Steven
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13:34:13 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0030
13:34:20 Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0030
13:35:30 Regrets: Shane, Rich, Alessio
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14:00:33 zakim, dial steven-617
14:00:33 ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:01:15 zakim, drop steven
14:01:15 sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'steven'
14:01:22 zakim, dial steven-617
14:01:22 ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:01:23 +Steven
14:01:35 zakim, who is here?
14:01:35 On the phone I see Roland_, Steven
14:01:36 On IRC I see Steven, Roland_, markbirbeck, Tina, RRSAgent, Zakim, krijnh, Lachy
14:01:42 + +46.7.08.5.aaaa
14:01:56 zakim, aaaa is Tina
14:02:00 +Tina; got it
14:03:20 +Gregory_Rosmiata
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14:04:52 zakim, P18 is yamx
14:04:52 zakim, ??p18 is yamx
14:04:53 sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named 'P18'
14:04:57 +yamx; got it
14:06:09 We OMA are very pleased to see XHTMLBasic 1.1 CR status.
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14:06:34 Regrets+Mark
14:07:15 SP: XHTML Basic 1.1 Is a Candidate Recommendation!!!
14:07:53 SP: asked when exit CR? - end of august begining of october
14:08:08 SP: Draft schedule for November meeting (TPAC) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0027
14:08:49 SP: not on monday and tuesday, but other end of the weeek; tech plenary tries to get as many WGs together in one place at one time; get to work out issues, get to make new liaisons, etc.
14:09:00 SP: wednesday a plenary day - mini-conference
14:09:54 SP: thursday and friday rest of groups meet; going to be an AC (advisory committee) meeting as well -- new, so made half day AC meeting on thursday, so groups can meet thursday afternoon, friday (all day) and saturday morning
14:10:17 SP: still have to decide if want to use saturday morning - depends on agenda - by then, anticipate quite a big agenda
14:10:41 SP: we are meeting at same time as HTML working group; don't know if can meet up with them, but we shall see
14:10:55 TOPIC: Coming calls http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0004
14:11:15 SP: propose we skip a week due to lack of chair or chair pro tem
14:11:21 no objections
14:11:41 SP: skip a week -- in 2 weeks roland will chair (roland available until end of august)
14:11:58 SP: Next Face2Face: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0005
14:12:05 SP: now have exact times, locations, etc.
14:12:32 AGENDA ITEM 1: Reply to Schema Working Group
14:13:00 SP: has anyone looked at comments and reply? if have comments, please bring them to the fore ASAP
14:13:46 SP: general schema principles -- marked 2 places with @@ were wasn't sure were finished
14:13:52 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0011
14:13:56 Reply to comments on XHTML Modularization 1.1 from XML Schema WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0011
14:15:34 AGENDA ITEM 2: analysis for hypertext CG comparision between basic 1.0 to 1.1; added print and XHTML Basic 1.1; XHTML 1.1 is the superset of all, except for inputmode which is now part of basic 1.1 should we add it to next release of XHTML 1.1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0016
14:15:58 SP: due to come out when modularization comes out of CR; window of opportunity; parent language of sub-set languages
14:16:37 SP: objections? entirely optional -- only a hint to the processor, but for mobile versions of XHTML good feature to have -- already in XHTML2 due to XForms
14:17:25 ACTION: Shane - add input mode to XHTML 1.1 second edition
14:17:55 SP: shane not here (sent regrets) -- can discuss but not decide until shane here
14:19:47 SP: XHMTL2 WG has task force (meets once a week on thursday evenings) working on RDFa -- allows one to define more semantics for elements; similar to microformats, but much more disciplined; generates RDF triples; modularization doesn't define base -- need to discuss
14:20:05 SP: shane's Q: should we accomodate base or incorporate into 1.1?
14:20:23 SP: other question: what should we do relative to base elements, if they disagree with one another
14:20:38 scribe's note: base = XML Base
14:21:14 SP: history: going to need facility like base in HTML, so XML Base produced; made last call for XLink; should be defining meaning of XML Base
14:22:13 SP: ought to do it for future versions of language, not past versions; right now no one doing it; should we add to XHTML 1.1 or state that future versions of XHTML will build on it
14:22:44 SP: allowable on any element; specifies the effect - how to interpret relative URIs for all children of element
14:23:02 http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlbase/
14:23:12 ??: could we not use that to override what is in base; equivalent of base
14:23:35 SP: good approach -- on HTML (applies to head and body elements)
14:23:53 SP: rules specified except for what they do if on HTML element and a BASE in head which is different
14:24:04 SP: what do we think should happen
14:24:21 ???: XML Base as fragment
14:24:42 SP: Base for legacy / backwards compatibility, but otherwise overridden by XML Base
14:25:11 ???: could be interpreted afterwards, XML Base a refinement; if no XML Base, use what is in HTML instance's head
14:25:56 SP: another approach with legacy - when tranistioning from name att to id att on A - if have name, must have id and must have same value; could require if use BASE elements, that you use XML Base in the head set to the same value
14:26:21 SP: if we say the MUST be the same, result is fine
14:26:37 ??: alternative, i agree
14:27:11 SP: don't say what happens with name and id, just there for backwards compatibility; if say one has priority over the other, wouldn't work in legacy browsers; so, just don't do it
14:27:50 SP: should we only put stuff in future versions, or revise past versions -- adding to another version of XHTML 1.1
14:28:19 ??: [couldn't hear, muffled]
14:28:51 SP: if say have to define base and xml base so that cooperate, don't see why shouldn't put into a 1.1 version
14:29:11 SP: no resolution -- needs more discussion on list, especially from shane, who proposed it
14:29:19 agenda item 4: Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012
14:34:39 SP: RDF task force developing native RDFa -- working on getting more widely accepted
14:35:02 SP: in a sense, can ignore attributes and page still has meaning it still had; non-assistive browser can ignore
14:36:19 SP: HTML has rule to ignore attributes don't know about; if get added no problem really for HTML; RDFa able to define triples -- relationships and states -- about attribute proxy that tells relationship; sounds like RDFa is coming up with similar mechanism
14:37:18 SP: heads-up to RDFa task force that WAI has set of requirements that could be met by RDFa -- simple semantics; links in with role attribute
14:38:35 public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org
14:38:44 ACTION GJR: explain what WAI ARIA attempting to achieve and crossover with RDFa let task force know via public-rdfa-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org
14:39:21 TOPIC 3: agenda item 5: Using script to implement namespaces http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0009
14:40:21 SP: people producing javascript libraries that implement a particular ML; if have nested XForms in XHTML doc add script to implement XForms in a standard browser; great way to get namespaces integrated into legacy browsers
14:41:27 SP: don't want UAs that understand namespaces to use script; propose attribute for script that tells UA that only reason this script is here is that it is implementing a specific function; legacy UA will call javascript to call namespace into browser; new UAs will ignor
14:41:36 SP: comments?
14:42:28 SP: good way to get out of CR -- implement parts of XHTML2 in any browser with assistance of script
14:42:53 ??3: How elegant will it be?
14:43:11 SP: future-proofing browsers
14:43:36 Roland: seemed reasonable when read it; part of package of things we have to query whether UA supports particular namespace
14:43:37 -Tina
14:43:38 SP:
14:43:49 (My connection is poorly - again)
14:43:59 Roland: if get into this area, are there similar things to talk about
14:44:32 SP: have selectors for media types derived from CSS; turned off if current media not matched; turns off element if that namespace is implemented
14:44:43 SP: similar to media queries for stylesheets
14:45:00 SP: put it in queue -- see what response we get
14:45:42 SP: clarification: media queries for any media -- paragraph media=print so only used in printed
14:45:57 TOPIC: agenda item 6: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1
14:46:36 SP: getting XHTML 1.1 out of CR; only thing not tested is target and inputmode; how should we go about getting tests into oma test suite
14:47:26 testing mobile 1.2 -- current testers will have inputmode tagged so can use in mobile 1.0 and 1.2 -- inputmode tagged can reuse?
14:47:37 SP: are optional -- ignored for other versions in test suite
14:47:48 think will satisfy 1.1 test requirements
14:48:07 SP: want volunteer to construct test materials for what is not currenlty being tested
14:48:20 tests actually in test suite, just not invoked if not germane
14:48:30 SP: possible to get copy of tests?
14:48:50 OMA provides URI for test site, test site includes materials for inputmode
14:48:59 SP: please resend URI to public-xhtml2
14:49:19 ACTION: Jan resend URI of OMA test suite to public-xhtml2
14:50:37 SP: should we use namespace name or prefix? ended up writing prefix because if no default, needs to be there -- author friendlier;
14:50:54 Roland: cut-and-paste this script into it and it will work
14:51:05 SP: cut-and-paste bug-bear for those who fear namespaces
14:51:10 SP: other issues?
14:51:25 SP: away for 3 weeks, be back on call in 4 weeks time
14:51:35 -Roland_
14:51:40 -Gregory_Rosmiata
14:51:41 -Steven
14:51:41 SP: don't forget about Face2face
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14:51:44 Attendees were Roland_, Steven, +46.7.08.5.aaaa, Tina, Gregory_Rosmiata, yamx
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14:54:43 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/18-xhtml-actions.rdf :
14:54:43 ACTION: Shane - add input mode to XHTML 1.1 second edition [1]
14:54:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/18-xhtml-irc#T14-17-25
14:54:43 ACTION: GJR to explain what WAI ARIA attempting to achieve and crossover with RDFa let task force know via public-rdfa-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org [2]
14:54:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/18-xhtml-irc#T14-38-44
14:54:43 ACTION: Jan resend URI of OMA test suite to public-xhtml2 [3]
14:54:43 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/18-xhtml-irc#T14-49-19