IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-07-17

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12:28:30 [shadi]

zakim, this will be TSD

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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meeting: TSD TF

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chair: CarlosV, Christophe

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jul/0004.html

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+Shadi

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agenda+ Updating test samples to new WCAG 2.0 working draft

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agenda+ MWI test case submission and management system

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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agenda+ Action Item review

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+CarlosV

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+CarlosI

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scribe: CarlosI

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scribenick: CarlosI

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agenda?

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12:38:53 [shadi]

take up agendum 1

12:39:29 [CarlosI]

SAZ: With the permission of the WG chairs a new agenda item has been added

12:40:27 [CarlosI]

CV: shall we continue updating test cases or wait?

12:41:23 [CarlosI]

SAZ: are you talking about internal tests or those that are already at CVS?

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CV: internal

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+Cooper

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CS: there are a few SC that has been renamed

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CS: what to do with those that are already at CVS?

12:45:51 [CarlosI]

SAZ: have to live with some outdated and so on content

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SAZ: due to persistence policies

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MC: are the test cases associated by ID or SC number?

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MC: the ID shouldn't change

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MC: mainly minor clarifications with no major impact are expected

12:51:41 [CarlosI]

MC: should be safe to proceed

12:51:53 [CarlosI]

MC: no major impact on test suite expected

12:52:41 [CarlosI]

SAZ: expected timeline from BTW for the update?

12:53:14 [CarlosI]

CV: early August, maybe the second week

12:54:54 [CarlosI]

SAZ: something by the 31st July possible?

12:55:06 [CarlosI]

CV: don't think so, too close

12:55:26 [CarlosI]

SAZ: maybe then we may postpone next meeting

12:56:47 [CarlosI]

CS: maybe some of them could be ready for next meeting

12:57:32 [CarlosI]

SAZ: let's take this up again at the end of the call

12:57:37 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 2. "MWI test case submission and management system" taken up [from shadi]

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/Open/submit

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/Open/review

12:58:13 [CarlosI]

SAZ: this is very early work in MWI

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SAZ: a lot of potential to reuse

12:58:52 [CarlosI]

SAZ: with some adaptation and customization

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SAZ: early stage, open to comments and suggestions

12:59:43 [CarlosI]

SAZ: is time to give them feedback or a sort of wish list

13:01:35 [CarlosI]

SAZ: there's a license grant required by our legal staff

13:02:02 [CarlosI]

SAZ: my hope is to get the form generate the metadata in the background

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SAZ: would be very easy to add whatever else we need

13:03:41 [CarlosI]

SAZ: using a new BBDD and just adding the new fields reusing existing technology

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL

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+Tim_Boland

13:04:58 [CarlosI]

SAZ: some of the metadata we need could be generated automatically

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SAZ: CS, not sure about your comment on titles

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CS: people could have different ways to provide titles

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CS: some could be more generic others more specific

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SAZ: a title as a handle would be useful

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SAZ: talk with DOM about how they manage technologies and suggest we use URIs

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SAZ: rules are really specific

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SAZ: would be the tough part

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SAZ: there's no pointer to the related test

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SAZ: we can point this out and see how they plan to solve it

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CI: we may have problems with the current file submission

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SAZ: could use a multiple step submission

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SAZ: let's see also the review template

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CS: status is missing

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CS: in our case URI points to the metadata file not the test itself

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SAZ: would like to have some way to export the system metadata

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SAZ: could use the machine processable argument

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SAZ: add links to the comments each time we create a new one

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SAZ: we may have a different way to create IDs

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SAZ: we may use the title as a handle instead of description

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SAZ: links to the comments

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SAZ: author's email

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SAZ: links to the file and the metadata

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SAZ: trying to get everything as generic as possible

13:27:06 [CarlosI]

SAZ: bulleted list of comments in notes with the different reviews and issues

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TB: we may need to add timestamps to the comments

13:28:38 [CarlosI]

SAZ: we also may need to associate each comment with the owner

13:29:55 [CarlosI]

SAZ: all the comments seems useful and hope DOM will implement them

13:30:18 [CarlosI]

ACTION: to write up the comments and send them to the list

13:31:08 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 3. "Action Item review" taken up [from shadi]

13:32:20 [CarlosI]

SAZ: back to the tests update

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CV: 31st not possible

13:33:01 [CarlosI]

CV: may be 7th August or 15th

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SAZ: 15th holiday in several countries

13:33:38 [CarlosI]

SAZ: let's try with August the 7th

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-Tim_Boland

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-Shadi

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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-Cooper

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-CarlosV

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-CarlosI

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, CarlosV, CarlosI, Cooper, Tim_Boland

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: to write up the comments and send them to the list [1]

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