IRC log of swd on 2007-07-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc
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- 14:56:03 [RalphS]
- zakim, this is swd
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- ok, RalphS; that matches SW_SWD()11:00AM
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- zakim, who's on the call?
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- On the phone I see ??P10, [LC]
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- Meeting: SWD WG
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- rrsagent, please make record public
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-swd-minutes.html previous 2007-07-10
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- RalphS has changed the topic to: SWD WG 17 July agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0104.html
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- +??P7
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- Scribe: Clay
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- scribenick: Clay
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- +[LC]
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- +??P2
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0104.html
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- Chair: Tom
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- +[LC]
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- zakim, lc is Justin
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- +Justin; got it
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- +Elisa_Kendall
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- +CarlosI
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- Zakim: CarlosI is me
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- zakim, carlos is really Diego
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- +Diego; got it
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- +Antoine_Isaac
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- +Jon_Phipps
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- zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
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- +JonP; got it
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- Topic: Admin
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- +??P27
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- zakim, ??p27 is Vit
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- +Vit; got it
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- Resolved accept minutes of July 10 telecon
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- http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-swd-minutes.html
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- ACTION: Guus to propose dates in Oct for Amsterdam meeting on SKOS [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]
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- +??P30
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- --continues
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- Zakim, ??P30 is me
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- +Simone; got it
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- Topic: SKOS
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- ACTION: Antoine to raise issue of adding broader/narrower relations in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/56
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- --done
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- ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04].
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- --continues
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- q+ to comment on ISSUE 26
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- ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
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- --continues
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- Regrets: Sean
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- Alistair: re: simple extension proposal. There are two distinct "flavors". Guus assumed one, Antoine the other. A need exists to clearly distinguish those flavors.
- 15:11:51 [TomB]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0060.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0078.html
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- ... about interpretaion of skos label and RDF plain literals
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- ... not ready to discuss the SimpleExtension issue, and awaiting Guus' user experience report re: different flavors
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- ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two labels
- 15:16:25 [aliman]
- s/the two labels/the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26/
- 15:16:33 [RalphS]
- Alistair: in -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0060.html my bijection message I mistakenly referred to issue 33 rather than issue 26
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- s/the two labels/the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26/
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- Proceed with issue 33?
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- Ed: will grouping constructs be documented somewhere?
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- Alistair: suggested procedure is to work on 2 wiki drafts: 1) skos primer with grouping constructs overview; 2) skos semantics with formal specifications discussing grouping constructs. Once first drafts exist, the WG considers as whole.
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- ... the 2 drafts are linked
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- Tom: goal is to have W3C recommendation, one of the docs would be on semantics, as part of a larger package.
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- Antoine: supports getting consensus on semantics doc
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- s/getting consensus on semantics doc//
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- Ed: supports
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- Alistair: propose resolution for issue 33
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- +Ben
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- Post 166 is the technical resolution for issue 33
- 15:29:02 [RalphS]
- PROPOSED: ISSUE 33 is resolved with the design in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?action=recall&rev=4
- 15:31:09 [Clay]
- Alistair: I expect us to revisit this issue.
- 15:31:17 [RalphS]
- Alistair: I expect there to be issues with this grouping module but we can raise those as separate issues
- 15:31:47 [Clay]
- Tom: we can resolve for now, but if at a later point we need to reopen this we can. For momentum we should resolve.
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- Alistair: more specific issues can be addressed separately as needed
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- RESOLVED: ISSUE 33 is resolved with the design in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?action=recall&rev=4
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- Jon: how do we mark an issue as resolved? Can mark it manually and move state to "closed".
- 15:35:16 [RalphS]
- rrsagent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-35-16
- 15:36:22 [Clay]
- Tom: Issue 31 Alistair proposed a way forward on BasicLexicalLabelSemantics
- 15:36:44 [RalphS]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/31 issue 31: BasicLexicalLabelSemantics
- 15:39:12 [Clay]
- Alistair: idea of makring triples as optional was the only way at the time I could see that people will want to use SKOS with OWL DL
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- ... also thinking about namespace
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- ... re: skos semantics, OWL flavors, and inference engines
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- Dan: get DL people involved in discussion
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- Alistair: the triple is optional in case where you want to stay within DL.
- 15:44:15 [RalphS]
- Alistair: I meant the notation "[DL-optional]" to mean that the triple is optional in the case that the application wants to be within OWL-DL
- 15:44:27 [Antoine]
- Annotation properties must not be used in property axioms. Thus, in OWL DL one cannot define subproperties or domain/range constraints for annotation properties.
- 15:45:46 [Clay]
- Alistair: some triples will take us out of DL into OWL Full. How to mark that? If you want to stay within DL, it's marked as optional?
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- Tom: AListair is trying to say that if you want to remain within OWL DL you don't use this triple.
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- Alistair: there could be a subset of SKOS that allows this, akin to OWL Full and OWL DL
- 15:49:42 [RalphS]
- Ralph: we seem to be heading toward having SKOS-FULL and SKOS-DL. (ugh)
- 15:51:04 [Clay]
- Antoine: if we accept the triple then we're in OWL Full
- 15:51:39 [RalphS]
- Antoine: suggest the notation "[OWL-Full]" in place of "[DL-optional]"
- 15:51:39 [Clay]
- Ed: are there use cases for inferencing using OWL Full as opposed to OWL DL
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:53:18 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see TomB, Clay, aliman, edsu, dlrubin, Ralph, Justin, Elisa_Kendall, Diego, Antoine_Isaac, JonP, Vit, Simone, Ben
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- TOPIC: RDFa
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- ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in Cambridge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]
- 15:54:35 [Clay]
- --done
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- q+ to thank the WG for input on @class / @role / @instanceof
- 15:56:54 [Zakim]
- aliman, you wanted to comment on ISSUE 26
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- RalphS, you wanted to thank the WG for input on @class / @role / @instanceof
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- TOPIC: Recipes
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- ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
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- --continues
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- ???: re: .htaccess 'accept header' and header which EXACTLY matches "application/rdf+xml"
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- q+
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- ACTION: Diego to write test to confirm what's broken about recipes as stated re: ISSUE 58
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- -dlrubin
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- Ralph: issue 58 came up in the context of when the HTTP spec permits multiple Accept: headers
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- TOPIC: Vocabulary Management
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- Ralph: the question for issue 58 is really wether our current recipe permits a comma-separated list of acceptable content types
- 16:04:54 [Clay]
- Elisa: I've thrown in some paragraphs in Wiki. I took Alistair's comment on re-titling section, and have added paragraph on 404 errors.
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- ... possibility to add Vocab Mgmt. on agenda for 10 mins. next week?
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- ... will try to have more substantial text for discussion
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- -edsu
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- -Justin
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- zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Clay, aliman, edsu, Ralph, dlrubin, Justin, Elisa_Kendall, CarlosI, Diego, Antoine_Isaac, JonP, Vit, Simone, Ben
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- -Antoine_Isaac
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- -aliman
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- -Elisa_Kendall
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- -Vit
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- -Ben
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- -JonP
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- -Diego
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- -Simone
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- rrsagent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html Clay
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- -TomB
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- -Ralph
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- -Clay
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- SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were TomB, Clay, aliman, edsu, Ralph, dlrubin, Justin, Elisa_Kendall, CarlosI, Diego, Antoine_Isaac, JonP, Vit, Simone, Ben
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Guus to propose dates in Oct for Amsterdam meeting on SKOS [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01] [1]
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-04-43
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Antoine to raise issue of adding broader/narrower relations in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03] [2]
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-05-28
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]. [3]
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-08-01
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05] [4]
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-08-12
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two labels [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-15-35
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in Cambridge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [6]
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-54-22
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09] [7]
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T15-57-29
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Diego to write test to confirm what's broken about recipes as stated re: ISSUE 58 [8]
- 16:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc#T16-03-35