IRC log of dawg on 2007-07-17

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14:13:09 [RRSAgent]

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14:14:22 [ericP]

seems to complement nicely the coverage stuff i'm (working on|banging my head against)

14:19:30 [LeeF]

SteveH - thanks for the info re: type promotion - I don't think we approved those yet

14:19:41 [SteveH]

ok, great

14:27:15 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

14:27:26 [LeeF]

Regrets: chimezie

14:27:32 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

14:28:06 [LeeF]

Scribe: ??

14:28:19 [LeeF]

agenda+ convene

14:28:31 [LeeF]

agenda+ action items

14:28:40 [LeeF]

agenda+ test suite

14:28:43 [SteveH]

LeeF, is this likely to be a long one?

14:28:45 [LeeF]

...esp. distinct + type promotion

14:29:04 [LeeF]

I don't see a lot of working group (as opposed to individual) work on the agenda

14:29:10 [LeeF]

agenda+ implementation report update

14:29:41 [AndyS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:29:41 [Zakim]

sorry, AndyS, I don't know what conference this is

14:29:43 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, LeeF, SteveH, AndyS, iv_an_ru, ericP

14:29:49 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:29:49 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF, I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM already started

14:29:58 [AndyS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:29:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P0

14:30:04 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P0 is me

14:30:04 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:30:18 [Zakim]

+LeeF

14:30:18 [Souri]

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14:31:17 [Zakim]

+??P4

14:31:23 [SteveH]

Zakim, ??P4 is me

14:31:23 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:31:28 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-office

14:31:28 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:31:29 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:33:20 [LeeF]

Scribe: ericP

14:33:37 [ericP]

Scribenick: ericP

14:33:52 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0013.html

14:34:08 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0013.html

14:34:32 [LeeF]

topic: Convene

14:35:18 [ericP]

next meeting: 24 July, scribe: AndyS

14:35:46 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-dawg-minutes minutes from last week

14:36:16 [LeeF]

approved

14:36:21 [LeeF]

topic: action items

14:36:38 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to run the construct tests by 17 Ju [DONE]

14:36:53 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [DONE]

14:37:06 [ericP]

action -1

14:37:08 [ericP]

action -2

14:37:17 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to generate overview page of data-r2 tests

14:37:47 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [PENDING] but progress

14:38:08 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to put up a document with sample EARL results and call out important points (e.g. foaf:homepage URI and/or URIs for implementations (object of earl:subject)? [CONTINUES]

14:38:22 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [CONTINUES]

14:38:34 [LeeF]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]

14:38:38 [LeeF]

agenda + fate of the protocol

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14:41:26 [LeeF]

ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [CONTINUES]

14:41:40 [Zakim]

+Souri_Das

14:41:57 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES]

14:42:02 [LeeF]

action -8

14:42:15 [LeeF]

ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation

14:42:29 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES]

14:43:52 [AndyS]

DE-*

14:44:03 [ericP]

de-de

14:44:05 [LeeF]

AndyS, ericP: discussion of what goes into the non-extended-langmatches testing

14:45:06 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]

14:45:27 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES]

14:45:39 [LeeF]

zakim, agenda?

14:45:39 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:

14:45:40 [Zakim]

1. convene [from LeeF]

14:45:41 [Zakim]

2. action items [from LeeF]

14:45:42 [Zakim]

3. test suite [from LeeF]

14:45:43 [Zakim]

4. implementation report update [from LeeF]

14:45:44 [Zakim]

5. fate of the protocol [from LeeF]

14:45:48 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:45:48 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "test suite" taken up [from LeeF]

14:47:13 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/type-promotion/manifest.ttl

14:47:45 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve the type promotion tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/type-promotion/manifest.ttl

14:48:54 [LeeF]

approved

14:49:14 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark type promotion tests approved http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/type-promotion/manifest.ttl

14:50:16 [LeeF]

glitter passes 10 out of 10 distinct tests

14:50:24 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/distinct/manifest.ttl

14:50:33 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve the 10 tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/distinct/manifest.ttl

14:50:49 [LeeF]

approved

14:50:59 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark 10 distinct tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/distinct/manifest.ttl as approved

14:51:12 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:51:12 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

14:51:13 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:51:14 [Zakim]

1. convene [from LeeF]

14:51:27 [LeeF]

zakim, open agendum 1

14:51:27 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "convene" taken up [from LeeF]

14:51:31 [LeeF]

zakim, close agendum 1

14:51:31 [Zakim]

agendum 1, convene, closed

14:51:32 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:51:34 [Zakim]

2. action items [from LeeF]

14:51:54 [LeeF]

zakim, open and close agendum 2

14:51:54 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'open and close agendum 2', LeeF

14:51:58 [LeeF]

zakim, open agendum 2

14:51:58 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from LeeF]

14:52:11 [LeeF]

zakim, close agendum 2

14:52:11 [Zakim]

agendum 2, action items, closed

14:52:13 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:52:14 [Zakim]

4. implementation report update [from LeeF]

14:52:40 [LeeF]

topic: short name

14:52:53 [AndyS]

==> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-json-res/

14:53:12 [LeeF]

ericP will ask about having a short document at /TR/sparql with pointers to QL, protocol, results, and JSON?

14:54:29 [LeeF]

precedent: was done for SOAP

14:54:41 [AndyS]

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/soap/

14:55:26 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to requisition /TR/SPARQL as a switcher document pointing to the real specs

14:55:43 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agenda 4

14:55:43 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "implementation report update" taken up [from LeeF]

14:58:35 [LeeF]

things happening: ericP working on coverage, lee working on test overview, EARL summary, note to implementors

14:58:46 [LeeF]

also possibly ivan and orri working on service for testing public SPARQL endpoints

14:58:50 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:58:50 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

14:58:51 [Zakim]

I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

14:58:53 [Zakim]

5. fate of the protocol [from LeeF]

14:58:54 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 5

14:58:54 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "fate of the protocol" taken up [from LeeF]

15:03:26 [LeeF]

I see the protocol schedule as being somewhat at-risk given our charter end date of the end of November - still can be done, but a bit doubtful

15:03:53 [ericP]

AndyS: we lack SOAP impls

15:04:21 [ericP]

LeeF: we 1/2-wrote one at IBM

15:04:38 [ericP]

... could take this to the CG

15:05:04 [ericP]

... difficult to put together impl criteria that doesn't include the SOAP bindings

15:05:55 [ericP]

ericP: do impls need to do SOAP?

15:06:06 [ericP]

LeeF: iirc, they just need to do *a* binding

15:06:15 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-protocol/#conformance

15:08:14 [LeeF]

adjourned

15:08:55 [ericP]

ericP: odd that you can impl a non-HTTP, non-SOAP binding and still claim to protoocl conformance

15:09:02 [ericP]

PROPOSED: oh well

15:09:07 [ericP]

APPROVED: no objections

15:09:09 [AndyS]

http://jena.hpl.hp.com/~afs/SPARQL-Update.html

15:09:22 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:09:22 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-minutes.html ericP

15:09:27 [AndyS]

And http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/CasadedSPARQL?lang=perl&markup=html

15:09:37 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please make minutes work-readable

15:09:37 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes work-readable', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:09:41 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please make minutes work-visible

15:09:41 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes work-visible', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:09:53 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:09:53 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please make minutes world-readable

15:09:53 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes world-readable', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:09:58 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, make minutes world-access

15:09:58 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-access', LeeF. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:10:02 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please leave

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-actions.rdf :

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to generate overview page of data-r2 tests [3]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-37-17

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [PENDING] but progress [4]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-37-47

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to put up a document with sample EARL results and call out important points (e.g. foaf:homepage URI and/or URIs for implementations (object of earl:subject)? [CONTINUES] [5]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-38-08

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [CONTINUES] [6]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-38-22

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [7]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-38-34

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES] [9]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-41-57

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [10]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-42-15

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [11]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-42-29

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES] [12]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-45-06

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES] [13]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-45-27

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to mark type promotion tests approved http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/type-promotion/manifest.ttl [14]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-49-14

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to mark 10 distinct tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/distinct/manifest.ttl as approved [15]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-50-59

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to requisition /TR/SPARQL as a switcher document pointing to the real specs [16]

15:10:02 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-dawg-irc#T14-55-26

15:10:07 [ericP]

Zakim, please leave

15:10:07 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were AndyS, LeeF, SteveH, EricP, Souri_Das

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