17:44:43 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:44:43 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc 17:44:58 rrsagent, set logs public 17:45:10 zakim, this will be wai_u 17:45:10 ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes 17:45:38 title: UAWG teleconference 17:45:43 Chair: Jim Allan 17:46:57 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007JulSep/0002.html 17:47:17 regrets: cklaws, kford 17:47:49 JR has joined #ua 17:50:43 Scribe: JR 17:58:15 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:58:23 +Allanj 17:59:23 +??P4 17:59:48 zakim, ??P4 is really JR 17:59:48 +JR; got it 18:01:14 +[IBM] 18:01:35 zakim, [IBM] is really pparente 18:01:35 +pparente; got it 18:02:10 Topic: Changing Meeting time (move meeting time ahead 1 hour) 18:02:17 All: No prob 18:03:51 parente has joined #ua 18:04:28 zakim, parente is really pparente 18:04:28 sorry, JR, I do not recognize a party named 'parente' 18:04:34 zakim, pparente is really parente 18:04:34 +parente; got it 18:04:52 Topic: Ideas for topics for Tech Plenary day 18:06:02 JA: Describing Plenary... 18:06:22 JA: Wednesday will be plenary talks 18:06:31 JA: Shadi had idea of test suites 18:11:16 Topic: Wiki - review edits 18:11:45 JA: Let's start with 3 (http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/ConfigToNotRender) 18:12:04 PP: Mostly commented on issues... 18:12:20 PP: Mostly questions 18:13:05 PP: Hard to answer questions for 3.1 18:13:29 PP: Are we talking about all background images.. or just things in the background 18:13:52 JA: Went back to archives...people from Opera raised same issue 18:13:58 JA: Couldn't find response 18:14:48 JA: Second point on background images and AJAX widgets...points to this guideline needing an overhaul 18:15:30 JA: Had always assumed this was meant to cover whole page... 18:15:52 JA: Maybe need to put up implementation details... 18:16:16 JA: Seems like in past we tried to document current practice plus extend them. 18:16:46 JA: e.g. Turn off images in IE just turns off IMG 18:17:01 JA: We should be informed by the implmentation in browsers 18:17:15 JA: Why beat dead horse? 18:19:03 JA: History has passed some of these things by 18:19:15 JA: We may break AJAX... 18:20:51 JA: if not careful. 18:21:46 PP: 3.2 Toggle audio, video, animated images (P1) 18:22:26 PP: Issue browser doesn't necessarily know what it is displaying....underlying comment - maybe written as "if the browser does know" 18:23:00 PP: e..g animated gifs...but not some other techs 18:24:19 PP: In this case, turn on or off is fairly straightforward. 18:26:28 JR: this is all filters what to turn on and off 18:26:47 PP: Also good to think about extensions... 18:26:59 PP: There are add blockers... 18:27:15 PP: Ad blockers... 18:27:29 PP: Sees things and pulls it out of the DOM... 18:28:16 PP: does the extension become part of the Chrome and conformance 18:29:03 JR: if to many filters, then configuration becomes troublesome 18:29:06 JR: How much configurability... 18:29:49 PP: Fairly low - just grabs rules from Web 18:30:16 PP: Plus can block individual things 18:30:50 JA: Can determine how far back to go ...doublick.com...doubleclick/autos...etc 18:32:55 Action JR: Expand on idea of blocking functional areas: animation, low contrast, etc. 18:33:55 PP, JA: Should call out that also applies to chrome 18:34:33 PP: 3.3 Toggle animated or blinking text (P1) 18:34:41 PP: Essentially the same as 3.2 18:34:55 JA: But different set of tags 18:35:08 PP: Should combine 18:35:24 PP: Fall into category of animations the author knows a bout 18:38:20 Action PP: Proposal to combine 3.2 and 3.3 18:40:11 Action JR: Proposal to limit "background image" to body of document 18:41:34 PP: 3.4 Toggle scripts (P1) 18:42:07 PP: wants to point out that browser to decide to pen a 3rd party apps or not 18:43:03 JR: question about javascript 18:43:18 JR: Like PP's "Toggle executable content," 18:45:33 All: Discuss ways of toggling flash 18:46:50 PP: There is a way to toggle SVG off in Firefox... 18:46:59 PP: Though not in a proper option 18:47:17 PP: And extensions can pull these things back up into chrome 18:47:44 JA: Everything going executable... 18:47:57 JA: If turning things off then you can have nothing. 18:49:00 PP: Maybe site by site...prob too much config for base UA 18:50:46 Action JA: Get thoughts together about 3.4 "All executable content", managing configuration 18:52:09 JA: Brought up before that pop-up window sometimes has no UA control but if fonts to big can't see it all 18:54:08 Action JR: Proposal to have config uration not to have stripped down user agent windoews 18:54:45 JA: Riminds me that all of 3.1, 3.2 etc are fallbacks for WCAG problems. 18:55:42 PP: 3.5 Toggle automatic content retrieval (P1) 18:55:57 PP: Originally intended to apply to full page 18:57:09 PP: Idea had here is that ARAI live regions can be leveraged...live regions can be not refreshed etc 18:58:37 PP: Different politeness settings can be used 18:59:59 Action PP: Proposal on ways User Agents could use live regions. 19:00:47 JR: perhaps a setting...i need a least a minute to review changes....user has ability to set a time for refresh 19:02:18 JA: Work being done on what should be paid attention to 19:02:32 PP: All recs I've seen say don't move focus 19:03:18 JA: If focus is in live region and it changes, UA should block change to the region 19:03:36 PP: Ties into the guideline on automatic focus change 19:04:55 JA: Just finding no event on change 19:05:17 JA: Oh found it... 19:07:55 Action JA: Proposal that if a live region has focus, it shouldn't update.] 19:08:39 PP: Hmmm...could be just a timer etc. 19:10:06 PP: Different than blocking all of the HTTP requests...this blocks once request returns 19:10:30 PP: 3.6 Toggle images (P2) 19:11:21 JR: What's accessiblity rationale? 19:13:54 JA: Lists cognitive disabilities (overly rich visuals) 19:14:07 JA: We're way over 19:14:57 -parente 19:27:16 -JR 19:27:17 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 19:27:18 Attendees were Allanj, JR, parente 19:27:40 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:27:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html JR 19:27:50 RRSAgent, set logs public 19:27:55 Zakim, bye 19:27:55 Zakim has left #ua 19:28:02 RRSAgent, bye 19:28:02 I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-actions.rdf : 19:28:02 ACTION: JR to Expand on idea of blocking functional areas: animation, low contrast, etc. [1] 19:28:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc#T18-32-55 19:28:02 ACTION: PP to Proposal to combine 3.2 and 3.3 [2] 19:28:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc#T18-38-20 19:28:02 ACTION: JR to Proposal to limit "background image" to body of document [3] 19:28:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc#T18-40-11 19:28:02 ACTION: JA to Get thoughts together about 3.4 "All executable content", managing configuration [4] 19:28:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc#T18-50-46 19:28:02 ACTION: JR to Proposal to have config uration not to have stripped down user agent windoews [5] 19:28:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc#T18-54-08 19:28:02 ACTION: PP to Proposal on ways User Agents could use live regions. [6] 19:28:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc#T18-59-59 19:28:02 ACTION: JA to Proposal that if a live region has focus, it shouldn't update.] [7] 19:28:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-irc#T19-07-55