IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-07-11

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15:01:10 [Zakim]

agendum 4 added

15:01:16 [Zakim]

agenda+ PR request

15:01:18 [Zakim]

agendum 5 added

15:01:19 [DanC]

DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 11 Jul http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda scribe: john-l

15:01:20 [Zakim]

agenda+ #issue-base-param

15:01:22 [Zakim]

agendum 6 added

15:01:26 [Zakim]

done reading agenda, DanC

15:01:33 [DanC]

Zakim, this will be grddl

15:01:58 [Zakim]

ok, DanC, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM already started

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+DanC

15:02:15 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

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On the phone I see +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC

15:02:41 [john-l]

Zakim, aaaa is me

15:02:53 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 1

15:03:04 [Zakim]

+john-l; got it

15:03:14 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-07-11T11:00-0400" taken up

15:03:39 [HarryH]

Zakim, aaaa is HarryH

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+ +1.919.668.aabb

15:03:59 [chimezie]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:03 [chimezie]

Zakim who is on the phone?

15:04:05 [HarryH]

Zakim, aaaa is DanC

15:04:10 [HarryH]

Zakim, aabb is HarryH

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sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

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+Chimezie_Ogbuji

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On the phone I see john-l, DanC, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:04:48 [Zakim]

sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:04:52 [Zakim]

+HarryH; got it

15:05:24 [DanC]

agenda + SPARQL WG wants to know about our test harness

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+??P24

15:05:47 [rreck]

sorry i'm late

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rreck

15:05:57 [HarryH]

chair: Harry

15:05:59 [john-l]

Zakim, ??P24 is rreck

15:06:02 [HarryH]

scribe: john-l

15:06:10 [Zakim]

+ +049238aacc

15:06:10 [HarryH]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:06:12 [Zakim]

+rreck; got it

15:06:14 [Zakim]

On the phone I see john-l, DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, +049238aacc

15:06:26 [HarryH]

Zakim, aacc is FabienG

15:06:26 [Zakim]

+FabienG; got it

15:06:54 [HarryH]

PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG -- 27th Jun 2007 as a tru e record

15:07:03 [HarryH]

http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-grddl-wg-minutes.html

15:07:13 [DanC]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jul/0010.html

15:07:37 [HarryH]

RESOLVED: approved GRDDL WG -- 27th Jun 2007 http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-grddl-wg-minutes.html as a tru e record

15:07:56 [HarryH]

Scribe?

15:08:02 [HarryH]

Zakim, pick a scribe

15:08:02 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC

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15:08:29 [HarryH]

DanC is scribe next time.

15:08:44 [HarryH]

Zakim, item 3

15:08:44 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'item 3', HarryH

15:08:51 [HarryH]

Zakim, next agenda

15:08:51 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Standard Library Transform" taken up

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(whoops, sorry, got involved in a lengthy mail)

15:09:32 [HarryH]

Zakim, open item 3

15:09:32 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "GRDDL Outreach" taken up

15:10:00 [DanC]

q+ to comment on "Kingsley and try to get GRDDL EARL results "

15:10:10 [john-l]

HarryH: What do we want to do with our time while GRDDL is in PR?

15:10:15 [john-l]

... Outreach!

15:10:41 [HarryH]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0385.html

15:10:43 [john-l]

... Dublin core metadata profile need to be GRDDLified.

15:10:45 [HarryH]

Andy Powell?

15:10:48 [HarryH]

Eduserv?

15:10:49 [DanC]

danja, do you know what's up with dublin core profile stuff?

15:11:00 [DanC]

i.e. does any of that leak from IanD to you?

15:11:11 [danja]

no sorry, I completely forgot

15:11:19 [HarryH]

Try to figure this out.

15:11:24 [danja]

I can ask him now (in #talis)

15:11:30 [DanC]

pls do

15:11:40 [DanC]

ack danc

15:11:40 [Zakim]

DanC, you wanted to comment on "Kingsley and try to get GRDDL EARL results "

15:11:58 [john-l]

DanC: Kingsley sent EARL results privately.

15:12:28 [john-l]

Chimezie: Received copy, haven't gr0ked, will ping about making results public.

15:12:31 [Zakim]

+ +0127368aadd

15:12:40 [jjc]

Zakim, aadd is me

15:12:40 [Zakim]

+jjc; got it

15:12:41 [rreck]

as for outreach, i was going to propose the use of GRDDL for a presentation at http://ncor.us/oic2007

15:13:12 [danja]

DanC, re. DC -

15:13:15 [john-l]

DanC: I get to promote GRDDL at XML Summer School.

15:13:19 [danja]

iand: no progress - i will email andy powell this afternoon

15:13:33 [HarryH]

RSS?

15:13:37 [HarryH]

Atom?

15:13:55 [john-l]

HarryH: Easiest deployment would be to seed namespace documents for main formats.

15:13:58 [rreck]

if someone could help me see how to add a namespace correctly to Zthes i could do many ISO vocabs

15:14:06 [rreck]

zthes doesnt use a namespace

15:14:14 [danja]

HarryH, RSS 2.0 doesn't have an XML namespace :-(

15:14:26 [DanC]

brainstorming on outreach possibilities: Atom, microformats profiles, dublin core, OAI, Creative Commons [timbl/tabulator]

15:14:33 [HarryH]

Atom GRDDL?

15:14:43 [danja]

not sure of current status of Atom XSLT - Henry Story has one for XSLT 2.0

15:15:11 [danja]

also David ??? (will look up) has another, fairly verbose one

15:15:29 [john-l]

DanC: Once upon a time RSS had an RDF version, there had been hope of an RDF version of Atom, then there were efforts towards Atom OWL

15:15:43 [john-l]

... now there are bits of code for producing Turtle from Atom

15:16:07 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom is owned by the Atom WG

15:16:10 [john-l]

... the Atom NS is owned by the Atom folks, whom we need to ask if we want to get a namespace doc at the NS URI.

15:17:02 [john-l]

HarryH: Need to convince the Atom WG that a namespace doc with a GRDDL ref is value added.

15:17:16 [john-l]

DanC: Need to get that by Tim Bray, who is... dubious about the value.

15:17:34 [john-l]

... Need to be a well-engineered solution.

15:17:46 [john-l]

HarryH: Follow up with Henry Story about his transformation.

15:17:53 [john-l]

... Any takers?

15:17:58 [danja]

I can

15:18:21 [danja]

(I also did an XSLT myself, but am pretty sure it's far from complete)

15:18:36 [john-l]

s/Need/Needs/

15:19:25 [HarryH]

Danja does this sound right - ACTION: danja to find out the status of Atom GRDDL and e-mail listt to find other people with transformations or schemas.

15:19:36 [DanC]

which list? IETF Atompub WG?

15:19:36 [danja]

fine

15:19:48 [HarryH]

Danja does this sound right - ACTION: danja to find out the status of Atom GRDDL and IETF Atompub WG list to find other people with transformations or schemas.

15:20:00 [HarryH]

ACTION: danja to find out the status of Atom GRDDL and IETF Atompub WG list to find other people with transformations or schemas.

15:20:02 [danja]

finer

15:20:34 [john-l]

HarryH: Anyone want to help rreck out with his namespace issues?

15:20:47 [john-l]

rreck: Representation of thesauri in XML

15:20:53 [danja]

re. Outreach, is there anything that might be useful to pass through SWEO?

15:20:56 [john-l]

DanC: Looked at SCOS?

15:20:59 [john-l]

rreck: Yup!

15:21:06 [chimezie]

s/SCOS/SKOS

15:22:23 [john-l]

rreck: All the pieces are in place (e.g. translation to SKOS exists)

15:22:58 [Zakim]

+??P36

15:23:17 [danja]

Zakim, ??P36 is danja

15:23:17 [Zakim]

+danja; got it

15:23:30 [rreck]

http://zthes.z3950.org/

15:23:39 [john-l]

DanC and rreck discuss the possibility of adding namespaces to Zthes.

15:24:09 [DanC]

(I wonder if this is worth some SemWeb CG time)

15:24:24 [DanC]

(or SemWeb Deployment WG time)

15:25:04 [john-l]

HarryH: Stepping back, we may just want to continue discussing GRDDL deployment on the ML.

15:25:15 [john-l]

DanC: I can see using GRDDL offline.

15:25:54 [john-l]

DanC: Keep cached copies of namespaced documents.

15:26:39 [john-l]

jjc: I could even have a URN, and simply state a relationship between a URN and a namespace document.

15:26:49 [john-l]

HarryH: But how do we bootstrap to that point?

15:26:58 [john-l]

DanC: But this is reasonable in an enterprise setting.

15:27:21 [danja]

(re. Quick Reference Card - I plan to make public to coincide with PR...Agenda #5)

15:28:03 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:28:03 [Zakim]

On the phone I see john-l, DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, FabienG, jjc, danja

15:28:21 [john-l]

Straw poll: what would you do to support GRDDL?

15:29:03 [rreck]

im bringing it up at a conference on saturday and in a paper that is due today

15:30:23 [chimezie]

I plan to push the issue of using GRDDL for extracting links to bioinformatic ontologies from 'legacy' healthcare communication (XML) dialects

15:30:31 [chimezie]

this is a theme i keep pushing and will keep pushing

15:30:32 [john-l]

john-l: Interested in helping with some follow-up with Atom.

15:31:37 [danja]

I plan to fill in some of the gaps in XSLTs, also try and get some online demo stuff (@talis)

15:32:50 [john-l]

FabienG: Included GRDDL materials in our graduate school curriculum, integrating GRDDL transforms and agents in various internal projects

15:33:00 [DanC]

(fabien explains lots of cool stuff; I hope the scribe is getting that, but if not, maybe fabien can elaborate in mail)

15:33:47 [john-l]

jjc: Maintaining Jena GRDDL support

15:34:23 [DanC]

agenda + GRDDL press release noodling

15:34:43 [john-l]

HarryH: Could add microformat transforms to the XHTML namespace document

15:34:52 [danja]

(might a page on the ESW Wiki for GrddlOutreach be useful?)

15:35:18 [chimezie]

+q about DanC's comment to the HTML WG about keeping @profile (not related to advocacy, but)..

15:35:20 [DanC]

(could be)

15:35:52 [DanC]

ack chimezie

15:35:55 [Zakim]

-HarryH

15:36:25 [danja]

Zakim, mute me

15:36:25 [Zakim]

danja should now be muted

15:36:40 [danja]

maybe a cellphone nearby

15:36:53 [DanC]

ack danja

15:37:35 [DanC]

agenda + OpenID and FOAF and GRDDL

15:37:37 [john-l]

danja: I'd like to get some live demos with some practical, interesting results.

15:38:05 [DanC]

ACTION: Chime to ask Kingsley about distribution of GRDDL EARL results

15:38:35 [DanC]

ACTION: IanD and Danja to e-mail maintainer of Dublin Core Metadata Profile to upgrade to GRDDL. [CONTINUES]

15:38:42 [DanC]

Zakim, close item 3

15:38:42 [Zakim]

agendum 3, GRDDL Outreach, closed

15:38:43 [Zakim]

I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:38:44 [Zakim]

2. Standard Library Transform

15:39:00 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 2

15:39:00 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Standard Library Transform" taken up

15:39:01 [danja]

iand: no progress - i will email andy powell this afternoon

15:39:37 [DanC]

indeed, http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library has @@s

15:39:44 [john-l]

jjc: There is code in the library that still needs work and exercise.

15:40:10 [john-l]

jjc: There needs to be an action in this space to ensure work proceeds.

15:41:31 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/2003/g/xml-attributes

15:41:37 [chimezie]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library GRDDL Standard Transform Library

15:41:43 [DanC]

xml-attributes.xsl,v 1.24 2007/06/25 10:52:08 jcarroll

15:42:01 [john-l]

jjc: The xml attributes library module needs review.

15:42:45 [john-l]

DanC: There are tests that exercise the critical features...

15:43:07 [john-l]

ACTION: john-l to read through documentation for xml-attributes and to be sure there aren't any gremlins.

15:43:09 [DanC]

"Also, it doesn't use

15:43:09 [DanC]

the @@@link W3C XSLT URI library."

15:44:01 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#grddl-library

15:44:11 [DanC]

hmm.. no, that's just a link to the library

15:45:23 [john-l]

DanC: Should review what tests have what status.

15:46:05 [john-l]

DanC: We didn't approve the library tests.

15:46:43 [danja]

(btw, http://www.w3.org/TR/xlink2rdf/ may be worth looking at re. Standard Transforms)

15:47:27 [chimezie]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist.html#lang-html-1 xml:lang from xml-attributes

15:49:21 [chimezie]

"unit"/"regression" tests

15:49:38 [john-l]

jjc: I can partition out the tests relevant to the library to their own list.

15:49:55 [DanC]

ACTION jjc: organize library tests; link from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library

15:50:34 [DanC]

ACTION jjc: dispose of @@s in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library (and in docs of 3 txforms)

15:51:01 [DanC]

Zakim, close this item

15:51:01 [Zakim]

agendum 2 closed

15:51:02 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:51:03 [Zakim]

4. Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5

15:51:14 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

15:51:14 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5" taken up

15:51:24 [DanC]

Harry, did you send something to the XHTML 2 WG?

15:51:36 [DanC]

that's supposed to be in place, e.g. for the meeting later today

15:51:37 [HarryH]

I did email Steve Pemberton directly.

15:51:44 [DanC]

with public archive?

15:51:48 [HarryH]

Yep.

15:51:51 [DanC]

ok

15:52:25 [HarryH]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0273.html

15:52:35 [HarryH]

Note Steve is cc'ed.

15:52:40 [HarryH]

No response.

15:52:52 [DanC]

I wrote http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0571.html

15:53:02 [HarryH]

I will take an action to follow up with Steve if needed.

15:53:08 [DanC]

... in the name of this WG, without review.

15:53:43 [john-l]

chimezie: I like it.

15:53:44 [HarryH]

So do I take an action for that?

15:54:50 [john-l]

DanC: At least there isn't a lot of negative reaction.

15:54:56 [john-l]

... It's possible that it's just being ignored.

15:55:04 [DanC]

no, no more action needed, Harry

15:55:36 [HarryH]

My only fear would be if XHTML also drops profile

15:55:44 [HarryH]

in XHTML2

15:56:19 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

15:56:19 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "PR request" taken up

15:56:39 [HarryH]

The call is today 3PM EST.

15:56:59 [HarryH]

I have no major concerns.

16:00:27 [john-l]

DanC: There might be a loop to close with respect to XQuery and Schemas...

16:00:51 [john-l]

chimezie: How does that relate to the URN case?

16:01:08 [john-l]

DanC: In the URN case, you're using a custom resolution mechanism...

16:01:22 [john-l]

DanC: In another case, there's an undefined binding between the document and the schema.

16:01:30 [john-l]

... That would be a "larger asterisk".

16:03:35 [john-l]

john-l: Implementation report was confusing?

16:03:36 [chimezie]

If need be , I can suggest text for covering the XML CMS link to schema usecase..

16:06:11 [chimezie]

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/#multiple-representations Testing for Multiple Representations

16:07:52 [john-l]

Discussion of "Not Applicable" confusion in the test results document.

16:08:21 [john-l]

Looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#langconneg1 and the two following tests...

16:08:29 [john-l]

Each of these three have the same "input" URI.

16:08:34 [john-l]

Thus, they are alternatives.

16:09:07 [Zakim]

-FabienG

16:09:20 [chimezie]

gTest:subsumes is used for the maximal conneg situation

16:10:12 [Zakim]

+FabienG

16:10:18 [chimezie]

otherwise gTest:alternative is asserted where tests share the same input

16:12:14 [john-l]

jjc: HP would have a preference to be finished before 2007-09-05

16:12:26 [john-l]

DanC: Looking like 2007-09-11 at the moment

16:13:06 [john-l]

DanC: 2007-07-13 or 16 for PR, perhaps

16:13:33 [john-l]

... Then a number of members need to encourage it going to Rec

16:13:40 [john-l]

... Also important is press release testimonials

16:13:56 [john-l]

s/16/17/

16:14:10 [john-l]

chimezie: I prefer 2007-07-13

16:14:31 [DanC]

anything else re the PR request, HarryH ?

16:14:42 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

16:14:42 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "#issue-base-param" taken up

16:14:57 [DanC]

. ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl

16:15:25 [john-l]

DanC: This action should go under outreach.

16:15:36 [john-l]

... Dom is looking to migrate to another GRDDL implementation.

16:16:06 [john-l]

chimezie: What infrastructure is present?

16:16:13 [john-l]

DanC: Precedent exists for Jena

16:17:31 [DanC]

ACTION DanC: to replace the W3C GRDDL service implementation with Jena or redland

16:17:37 [DanC]

and my other action is withdrawn

16:18:30 [DanC]

DanC: ETA on Jena release?

16:18:36 [DanC]

JJC: ~PR time, 13 July

16:18:45 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

16:18:45 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "SPARQL WG wants to know about our test harness" taken up [from DanC]

16:20:08 [Zakim]

-danja

16:20:15 [danja]

ew

16:21:13 [john-l]

Discussion ensues to some end talking about existing tools for manipulating EARL.

16:22:08 [DanC]

DanC: I've sent mail about my work; if they need me to explain it further, then it's prolly not mature enough. if they can go with what I've done and explained to others, maybe it is.

16:22:11 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

16:22:11 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "GRDDL press release noodling" taken up [from DanC]

16:22:45 [john-l]

DanC: Press release usually goes with Rec.

16:23:15 [john-l]

... Someone else is working on the first draft of the press release.

16:23:26 [john-l]

... Anyone else want to talk to reporters?

16:23:39 [john-l]

... We also need testimonials from member companies.

16:24:07 [DanC]

(looking at http://www.w3.org/Press/ )

16:24:30 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2004/01/sws-testimonial

16:24:35 [john-l]

jjc: Press release aimed at mid September?

16:24:41 [john-l]

DanC: Yes.

16:25:29 [danja]

Talis may be willing to provide a testimonial, I'll ping iand

16:25:37 [john-l]

DanC: Get your name in lights, write a testimonial!

16:25:51 [john-l]

jjc: HP, yes.

16:25:54 [john-l]

chimezie: Yes.

16:25:57 [rreck]

possibly

16:25:59 [danja]

may be worth pinging sweo too

16:26:17 [DanC]

yes, please, danja

16:26:18 [FabienG]

I can help with french translation ;-)

16:27:00 [FabienG]

amour, amour amour

16:27:01 [danja]

er, HarryH "we need testimonials by July" - end of?

16:27:53 [HarryH]

End of July at latest, better if earlier.

16:28:00 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

16:28:00 [Zakim]

agendum 9. "OpenID and FOAF and GRDDL" taken up [from DanC]

16:28:15 [HarryH]

Also, let's ask Kingsley for a testimonial.

16:28:28 [john-l]

DanC: OpenID: use your homepage as your login key.

16:28:33 [HarryH]

ACTION: HarryH to ask Kingsley for a testimonial

16:28:40 [john-l]

... also like callback auth using web pages instead of email.

16:29:10 [john-l]

... I think it would be cool if we could mix RDF metadata into such webpages using GRDDL.

16:29:27 [john-l]

... How do we trust this data?

16:29:56 [DanC]

http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/blog/2

16:30:33 [john-l]

DanC: Web log spam sucks, so now we require OpenID logins.

16:30:39 [john-l]

... But a spammer can make up an OpenID login.

16:31:04 [john-l]

... Now, Advogato IDs include FOAF with relationships of trust.

16:31:28 [john-l]

... This is resistant to spam through earned RDF karma.

16:31:49 [john-l]

... So you might be able to comment if you pass a certain karma policy.

16:32:20 [chimezie]

sounds like a similar problem space as PAW

16:32:36 [john-l]

... Advogato's FOAF files don't have all the pretty data you might want, though.

16:32:40 [rreck]

sounds interesting

16:32:54 [DanC]

ADJOURN.

16:32:56 [rreck]

good bye all

16:33:02 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

16:33:06 [danja]

bye

16:33:07 [Zakim]

-jjc

16:33:07 [FabienG]

FabienG has left #grddl-wg

16:33:09 [Zakim]

-FabienG

16:33:13 [Zakim]

-rreck

16:33:15 [Zakim]

-john-l

16:33:21 [john-l]

Zakim, please generate the minutes.

16:33:23 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please generate the minutes', john-l

16:33:35 [john-l]

Zakim, please publish the minutes.

16:33:35 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please publish the minutes', john-l

16:34:11 [chimezie]

Zakim, list participants

16:34:11 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, john-l, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +049238aacc, rreck, FabienG, +0127368aadd, jjc, danja

16:34:13 [john-l]

Zakim, list attendees

16:34:15 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, john-l, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +049238aacc, rreck, FabienG, +0127368aadd, jjc, danja

16:35:43 [john-l]

RRSAgent, please publish the minutes

16:35:43 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html john-l

16:35:56 [john-l]

RRSAgent, please make these logs world-readable

16:38:15 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, DanC, in SW_GRDDL()11:00AM

16:38:23 [Zakim]

SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended

16:38:24 [Zakim]

Attendees were +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, john-l, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +049238aacc, rreck, FabienG, +0127368aadd, jjc, danja

16:39:35 [john-l]

Any idea why I can't get access to the minutes? Do I just need to wait longer? :)

16:41:49 [DanC]

hmm... that does seem like long latency...

16:43:57 [DanC]

I'm not sure what's happening. I just flipped it to "world", effective in a few seconds

16:44:11 [DanC]

I get 200 now

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