W3C

ERT WG

11 Jul 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Shadi, Jan Richards (AUWG Chair), David, Johannes, CarlosV, CarlosI
Regrets
Reinhard
Chair
Shadi
Scribe
CarlosI

Contents


Test mode definitions

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues#testmode

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0000

SAZ: Issue #7 Test Mode

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-minutes#item05

SAZ: Discussion before but without conclusions so far

JR: could you summarize?

<shadi> Where a software tool WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL PROBLEM INSTANCES,

<shadi> BUT WHERE HUMAN judgment WAS STILL REQUIRED TO DECIDE OR HELP TO DECIDE

<shadi> WHETHER AN ACTUAL PROBLEM EXISTS. This should be additionally noted

<shadi> through the earl:compoundAssertor class of the Assertor.

SAZ: semiautomatic is more about the tool taking the decision but with a little human help

JR: manual in ATAG means that tool provide info and so but the person makes the decision
... in automatic mode the tool makes decision without the need of any human interaction
... a tool ask to the person look at the image about description
... the person looks at the image and says it's not

JK: other scenario
... the tool ask the user: is this a layout table?
... if the user says yes and there are structural table elements in the layout table, then the tool takes the decission that this is wrong

SAZ: the difference seems to be that in same cases the tool just go through the document and list things and in other cases it also makes something more "elaborated", a sort of preprocessing

CV: try to distinguish who has the main role could add a lot of confussion

CI: The key question is who has the final word, if it's the machine it's automatic, if it's the person is manual
... dropping semi-automatic would be the most clear

SAZ: focus on who is doing the hard work instead of the decission

CI: if you need the human intervention it will be manual

JK: so, if there's no human intervention at all it's going to be automatic

SAZ: focus on semi-automatic which is the tricky case

JK: A test tool presents a document to the user with a tree view
... The user finds a layout table in the tree and comunicates this to the tool, using a checkbox for example

JR: you need at least have automatic instance location

SAZ: you can look also at "good things", not just problems

JR: will take the rewording to the ATAG WG
... are there repair modes in EARL?

SAZ: no, just evaluation

<scribe> ACTION: SAZ to take the wording back to ATAG and have a final decision next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action01]

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0008

<scribe> ACTION: everybody to response to the thread on the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action02]

Review the plan for publishing EARL 1.0 Guide

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-minutes#item01

SAZ: CV, we expected something by yesterday

CV: will be for the tonight!

Review the plan for publishing Pointer Methods in RDF

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-minutes#item02

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0016.html

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/att-0016/PointersChangesDraft.htm

CI: it's a summarize of the current state of the art taking into consideration what we have discussed until now, specially at the last F2F
... there're some open issues to discuss about
... we need to decide what are we going to address before next draft

SAZ: would be good to have issues highlighted to help distinguish them

<scribe> ACTION: CI to highlight issues in the document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action03]

SAZ: is there anything missing or can we freeze this requirements for the next draft?

<scribe> ACTION: everybody to check the document and look for missing things [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action04]

Revised simplified approach for HTTP-in-RDF

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0009

SAZ: updated with discuss so far

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: CI to highlight issues in the document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: everybody to check the document and look for missing things [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: everybody to response to the thread on the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: SAZ to take the wording back to ATAG and have a final decision next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-er-minutes.html#action01]
 
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