IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-07-10

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12:30:00 [tlr]

zakim, this will be xmlsec

12:30:00 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 30 minutes

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rrsagent, make this record public

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maint WG weekly

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Date: 10 July 2007

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0006.html

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previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0000.html

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zakim, this will be xmlsec

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ok, fjh; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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ScribeNick: hal

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0006.html

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RRSAgent, make log public

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zakim, who is here?

12:55:43 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, fjh

12:55:43 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hal, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, tlr, trackbot-ng

12:58:04 [fjh]

zakim, what is the code?

12:58:04 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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+Frederick_Hirsch

12:58:53 [fjh]

zakim, mute me

12:58:53 [Zakim]

sorry, fjh, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

12:59:03 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call

12:59:03 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the call', fjh

12:59:08 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-781

12:59:08 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

12:59:09 [Zakim]

+Thomas

12:59:10 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call?

12:59:10 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas (muted)

12:59:16 [Zakim]

+ +1.613.726.aaaa

12:59:24 [tlr]

zakim, aaaa is EdSimon

12:59:24 [Zakim]

+EdSimon; got it

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zakim, I am thomas

13:00:05 [Zakim]

ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

13:00:06 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

13:00:06 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

13:00:07 [fjh]

zakim, i am Frederick_Hirsch

13:00:08 [Zakim]

ok, fjh, I now associate you with Frederick_Hirsch

13:00:15 [fjh]

zakim, mute me

13:00:16 [Zakim]

Frederick_Hirsch should now be muted

13:00:20 [fjh]

zakim, unmute me

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+ +1.617.876.aabb

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Frederick_Hirsch should no longer be muted

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zakim, aabb is sean

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+sean; got it

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+Hal_Lockhart

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+ +1.443.695.aacc

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zakim, aacc is rmiller

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+rmiller; got it

13:01:44 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call?

13:01:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas (muted), EdSimon, sean, Hal_Lockhart, rmiller

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zakim, nick EdS is EdSimon

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ok, tlr, I now associate EdS with EdSimon

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Present: Frederick Hirsch, Thomas Roessler, Ed Simon, Sean Mullen, Hal Lockhart, Rob Miller

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0006.html

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Topic: administrivia

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TOPIC: Administrivia

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ok, Hal, I'll leave the topics to you

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next meeting 17 July, Thomas to scribe

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Resolution: call on July 24 canceled

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zakim, am I muted?

13:04:00 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, tlr.

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zakim, who is muted?

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I see Thomas muted

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fjh: wiki technology to change

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... should not affect this WG

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.. will inform ok unless hear otherwise

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... workshop CFP is out, please publicise

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topic: Approve Minutes

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http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-xmlsec-minutes

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resolution: approved unimously

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zakim, who is on the call?

13:06:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas (muted), EdSimon, sean, Hal_Lockhart, rmiller

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s/unimously/unanimously/

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+??P12

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topic: Action Item Review

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+??P13

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zakim, ??P12 is klanz2

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+klanz2; got it

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zakim, ??P13 is JuanCarlosCruellas

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+JuanCarlosCruellas; got it

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Present+ Juan Carlos Curellas

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Present+ Konrad Lanz

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zakim, nick jcc is JuanCarlosCruellas

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ok, tlr, I now associate jcc with JuanCarlosCruellas

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I am able to update tracker.

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ACTION-35 closed

13:08:55 [trackbot-ng]

Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet

13:09:28 [hal]

ACTION-35 Close no activity

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ACTION-50 Open

13:09:53 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call?

13:09:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas (muted), EdSimon, sean, Hal_Lockhart, rmiller, klanz2, JuanCarlosCruellas

13:10:22 [EdS]

Phill, we are wondering if you can dial in?

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ACTION-53 Open

13:10:45 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

13:10:45 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

13:11:23 [hal]

ACTION-56 Open Need PK from Juan Carlos

13:11:35 [PHB]

zakim, code?

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the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB

13:11:36 [hal]

ACTION-57 Close

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ACTION-58 Open

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ACTION-59 Close

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ACTION-60 Close

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+PHB

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Topic: Interop Questionaire

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fjh: please fill out questionaire

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questionnaire: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40279/interop-sched/

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fjh: is there risk to only three impls?

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jcc: we have an impl

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sean: just started on C14N

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ACTION: fjh to contact Aleksey Sanin about interop and attendance

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Created ACTION-61 - Contact Aleksey Sanin about interop and attendance [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-07-17].

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q+ hal

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q- hal

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q+

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topic: text cases

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/text cases/test cases/

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argh

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s/text cases/test cases/

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s/topic: text cases/topic: test cases/

13:21:04 [hal]

jcc: developed categories of tests

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... legacy tests

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

13:21:31 [hal]

... c14N 1.1 tests

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... covering changes

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... application of implicit and explicit C14N

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c14n11 test for each xml namespace attribute

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... for example with xml:id

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... last group for checking rules for coding Dnames

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... some tests are missing right now

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... use Konrad's examples as basis of tests

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... fjh: C14N 1.1 has both input and output

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klanz2: only some tests have input and output

13:26:23 [sean]

q+

13:26:29 [hal]

fjh: will need input and output for every test

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jcc: can link from doc to test cases

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ack thomas

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q-

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ack sean

13:28:00 [klanz2]

q+

13:28:18 [jcc]

q+

13:28:18 [hal]

sean: will we wait for working impl to create output?

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sean: or will we do it by hand

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ack klanz

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klanz2: review process in parallel with test case development

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q+

13:30:23 [fjh]

... put test cases in, then review before workshop what is needed

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ack JuanCarlosCurellas

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jcc: certain examples in C14N document

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... use as way of checking

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ack hal

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q+

13:32:46 [fjh]

hal: reiterating sean's question - what is strategy for testing correctness?

13:32:49 [klanz2]

q+

13:32:57 [fjh]

... need time for hand crafting

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ack JuanCarlosCruellas

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13:35:30 [hal]

jcc: proposing using examples from docs as test cases where possible

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... Dname encoding more difficulet

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... might need many certificates

13:36:01 [sean]

q+

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q+

13:36:23 [fjh]

ACTION: jcc to send email describing examples to clarify testing issues

13:36:23 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-62 - Send email describing examples to clarify testing issues [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-07-17].

13:36:30 [fjh]

ack klanz

13:37:10 [hal]

klanz: not too formal, just put test cases in CVS

13:37:13 [tlr]

q-

13:37:39 [hal]

... if we get different results we can examine

13:38:18 [hal]

... for implicit or explicit just create document to sign

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q+

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ack sean

13:38:30 [hal]

... run against old and new versions

13:38:57 [hal]

sean: agree C14N test cases can be generated by hand

13:39:00 [fjh]

sean: c14n test cases can be generated by hand, then generate sigs against those

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ack JuanCarlosCruellas

13:39:48 [fjh]

s/old and new versions/old and new versions of XML Canonicalization/

13:39:50 [tlr]

q+

13:40:02 [hal]

jcc: agree, everybody should look at test case document

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ack Thomas

13:41:06 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/testcases.html

13:41:15 [sean]

+1 to fjh

13:41:38 [klanz2]

webcvs ?

13:41:45 [fjh]

ACTION: fjh to write up process outline for interop

13:41:45 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-63 - Write up process outline for interop [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-07-17].

13:42:52 [hal]

tlr: clarified CVS machinery

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jcc: suggest action to those creating test cases to avoid duplicate effort

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q+

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fjh: need to review jcc document

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ack hal

13:45:49 [klanz2]

q+

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ack klanz

13:46:24 [hal]

in summary, will be a doc on the process

13:46:52 [hal]

another doc with all categories of test containing links to actual tests

13:46:54 [jcc]

q+

13:47:22 [fjh]

klanz: need to determine naming of test cases, first case defines it, subsequent use that name

13:47:25 [hal]

tests to be in CVS, use CVS to manage conflicts, duplicate work

13:47:28 [fjh]

... keep it easy

13:47:48 [klanz2]

RecommendationRef.SpecificIssue[.SpecificSub-Issue]#TestNumber-(positive | negative | caveat)

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13:48:07 [fjh]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0006.html

13:48:50 [klanz2]

ok for me

13:48:51 [hal]

fjh: need to take this to the list

13:49:18 [hal]

topic: XML Signature Draft

13:49:49 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data

13:49:58 [hal]

fjh: are we happy with this document?

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... ed made comment

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q+

13:50:30 [hal]

EdS: draft is condridictory

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ack JuanCarlosCruellas

13:50:54 [hal]

... propose 2 changes to clarify Dname encoding

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ack Thomas

13:52:07 [hal]

tlr: current text is more leniant than RFC 4514

13:52:31 [hal]

... need seperate section, editorial change

13:52:43 [fjh]

thomas: not contradictory since RFC defines grammar, more lenient than augmentation

13:52:44 [hal]

EdS: could be less confusing

13:53:09 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/mid/000001c7c290$863f19f0$6800a8c0@XMLSEC004

13:54:09 [hal]

tlr: see what Ed is suggesting, disagree

13:54:47 [fjh]

zakim, mute me

13:54:47 [Zakim]

Frederick_Hirsch should now be muted

13:55:08 [hal]

... two sections reference different things

13:55:12 [fjh]

zakim, unmute me

13:55:12 [Zakim]

Frederick_Hirsch should no longer be muted

13:55:26 [klanz2]

+1 to tlr

13:55:28 [klanz2]

q+

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q+

13:55:34 [hal]

... constraint on string and how to generate string

13:56:06 [fjh]

zakim, mute me

13:56:06 [Zakim]

Frederick_Hirsch should now be muted

13:56:18 [fjh]

zakim, unmute me

13:56:18 [Zakim]

Frederick_Hirsch should no longer be muted

13:56:34 [fjh]

seems like we need to clarify that we speak of grammar and generation rules

13:57:07 [fjh]

ack klanz

13:58:01 [fjh]

agreed proposal: "DN should be represented as in sec 3, generated as in sec ..

13:58:15 [fjh]

ack Frederick_Hirsch

13:59:07 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call?

13:59:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, EdSimon, sean, Hal_Lockhart, rmiller, klanz2, JuanCarlosCruellas, PHB

13:59:25 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:59:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, EdSimon, sean, Hal_Lockhart, rmiller, klanz2, JuanCarlosCruellas, PHB

13:59:27 [Zakim]

On IRC I see jcc, PHB, klanz2, EdS, rmiller, sean, hal, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, tlr, trackbot-ng

13:59:45 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data

14:00:27 [klanz2]

not there yet

14:00:48 [hal]

tlr: propose changes to section 4.4.4

14:00:51 [fjh]

. The distinguished name SHOULD be represented as a string that complies with section 3 of

14:00:57 [tlr]

http://nelson.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/Overview.html

14:01:03 [sean]

looks ok to me

14:01:16 [Zakim]

-rmiller

14:01:18 [fjh]

http://nelson.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/Overview.html#sec-X509Data

14:01:29 [fjh]

looks ok to me

14:01:42 [EdS]

looks good to me

14:02:06 [klanz2]

The distinguished name SHOULD be represented as a string that complies with section 3 of that SHOULD be compliant with RFC22534514 [LDAP-DN],

14:03:40 [hal]

resolution: agree to change

14:04:14 [tlr]

RESOLUTION: WG agrees to E01 resolution in Editor's Draft $Date: 2007/07/10 13:59:33 $

14:04:16 [tlr]

woo-hoo!

14:05:08 [EdS]

I just want to make a note for the minutes that TLR was highlighting that we want to distinguish between compliance and generation and so we will keep the original text while also adding my suggested additions (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0008.html).

14:06:08 [Zakim]

-Hal_Lockhart

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-PHB

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-sean

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-JuanCarlosCruellas

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-EdSimon

14:06:49 [tlr]

hal, still on IRC?

14:07:04 [fjh]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

14:07:04 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh

14:07:32 [tlr]

hal, can you do the minutes fix-up?

14:07:40 [hal]

ok

14:08:01 [tlr]

thanks

14:08:08 [fjh]

thank you Hal. One item is to remove the processing commands at the end, another is to check the edits and attendance

14:08:09 [Zakim]

-Thomas

14:08:26 [fjh]

the draft minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-minutes.html

14:09:07 [hal]

ok will do

14:09:26 [Zakim]

-Frederick_Hirsch

14:10:50 [tlr]

hal, please send the result directly to the mailing list. I'll get it from there and drop it in datespace as well

14:11:03 [fjh]

zakim, bye

14:11:03 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, +1.613.726.aaaa, EdSimon, +1.617.876.aabb, sean, Hal_Lockhart, +1.443.695.aacc, rmiller, klanz2,

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14:11:04 [hal]

ok

14:11:06 [Zakim]

... JuanCarlosCruellas, PHB

14:11:21 [hal]

to public list or member list?

14:12:13 [tlr]

public

14:14:16 [fjh]

I'm using eclipse default editor which is more like using text editor

14:18:23 [tlr]

rrsagent, excuse us

14:18:23 [RRSAgent]

I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-actions.rdf :

14:18:23 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: fjh to contact Aleksey Sanin about interop and attendance [1]

14:18:23 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-irc#T13-15-38

14:18:23 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jcc to send email describing examples to clarify testing issues [2]

14:18:23 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-irc#T13-36-23

14:18:23 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: fjh to write up process outline for interop [3]

14:18:23 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-xmlsec-irc#T13-41-45

14:18:25 [tlr]

zakim, excuse us