IRC log of er on 2007-07-04

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13:44:43 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0003.html

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agenda+ Review the plan for publishing EARL 1.0 Guide

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agenda+ Review the plan for publishing Pointer Methods in RDF

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agenda+ Check-in on vacation plans and summer availability

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agenda+ POWDER Use Cases and Requirements

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema: Test Mode

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+CarlosV

13:59:27 [JohannesK]

Zakim, CarlosV is really JohannesK

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+JohannesK; got it

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+drooks

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+JohannesK.a

14:04:35 [JohannesK]

Zakim, JohannesK.a is really CarlosV

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+CarlosV; got it

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+Shadi

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zakim, mute CarlosV

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CarlosV should now be muted

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regrets: Reinhard, CarlosI

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scribe: David

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scribenick: drooks

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agenda?

14:08:30 [CarlosV]

zakim, unmute CarlosV

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CarlosV should no longer be muted

14:09:27 [drooks]

shadi: does anyone have further comments for WCAG?

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "Review the plan for publishing EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]

14:11:35 [drooks]

carlosV: still waiting for review/comments

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carlosV: new draft will be ready by next tuesday

14:13:30 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues

14:14:47 [drooks]

shadi: i see a lot of the issues are in the RDF/XML itself. looks like we need to simplify a bit

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action: CarlosV to reissue next draft version of EARL 1.0 guide

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action: CarlosV to send comment on content section of EARL 1.0 guide

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s/section of EARL 1.0 guide/section of EARL 1.0 Schema

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zakim, take up agendum next

14:18:23 [Zakim]

'next' does not match any agenda item, shadi

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 2. "Review the plan for publishing Pointer Methods in RDF" taken up [from shadi]

14:19:04 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0004.html

14:21:23 [drooks]

Action: Shadi to check with CarlosI on preparing proposal for next week

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 3. "Check-in on vacation plans and summer availability" taken up [from shadi]

14:22:21 [drooks]

drooks: im away for last week of July (21st - 29th)

14:25:29 [drooks]

shadi: no meeting for last week of july

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shadi: otherwise, regular meetings throughout summer

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shadi: hoping to get EARL schema and HTTP RDF out soon

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shadi: may need another last call draft for earl schema

14:27:37 [drooks]

shadi: lets aim for big publication towards end of august

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 4. "POWDER Use Cases and Requirements" taken up [from shadi]

14:28:36 [drooks]

shadi: we need to send comments by end of this week

14:29:30 [drooks]

johannesK: i have nothing much to comment about

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shadi: we've had lots of discussion between POWDER and ERT to align the groups

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action: JohannesK to send any comments he has to POWDER WG by end of week

14:32:45 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 5. "EARL 1.0 Schema: Test Mode" taken up [from shadi]

14:33:03 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues#testmode

14:34:00 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0000

14:34:19 [drooks]

shadi: we've reviewd ATAG 2.0 WD and sent comments regarding test mode (semi automated testing)

14:35:05 [drooks]

shadi:we agreed semi automated testing is when the decision is mainly done by the tool with minimal human interaction

14:35:27 [drooks]

shadi: got in contact with ATAG group about aligning our view with ATAG's

14:36:01 [drooks]

shadi: EARL:huristic appears to be misleading name or it should be property of result

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earl:semiAutomatic

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Where a software tool WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL PROBLEM INSTANCES,

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BUT WHERE HUMAN judgment WAS STILL REQUIRED TO DECIDE OR HELP TO DECIDE

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WHETHER AN ACTUAL PROBLEM EXISTS. This should be additionally noted

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through the earl:compoundAssertor class of the Assertor.

14:41:00 [drooks]

johannesK: in semi-automated the tool should primarily be responsible for making the decision

14:43:24 [drooks]

shadi: non-automated = manual

14:43:39 [drooks]

shadi: manual the more acceptable term

14:44:53 [drooks]

shadi: we need to invite ATAG to next weeks call

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earl:heuristic

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This property was designed to cover assertions which are made by

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inference, for example based on several existing test results.

14:46:12 [drooks]

shadi: this term is throwing off a lot of people

14:46:45 [drooks]

shadi: propose we rename it to inferred or drop it entirely

14:47:13 [drooks]

EARL:inferred makes more sense

14:50:33 [drooks]

johannesK: EARL:inferred a much better name than heuristic

14:52:33 [drooks]

proposal: rename EARL:heuristic to EARL:inferred and think about putting it elsewhere

14:54:14 [drooks]

RESOLUTION: rename EARL:heuristic to EARL:inferred and think about putting it elsewhere

14:56:15 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Apr/0008.html

14:56:43 [drooks]

shadi: do we all think notavailable is not a very good name?

14:57:46 [drooks]

i think notavailable is pretty concise

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shadi: how do we define it when the test mode is not known

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carlosV: how about unknown

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how about notProvided

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or notSupplied

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action: Shadi to collect ideas for renaming EARL:notAvailable

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action: Shadi to invite Jan Richards to next teleconf

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-drooks

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-CarlosV

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CarlosV to reissue next draft version of EARL 1.0 guide [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-irc#T14-16-49

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ACTION: CarlosV to send comment on content section of EARL 1.0 guide [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-irc#T14-17-39

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ACTION: Shadi to check with CarlosI on preparing proposal for next week [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-irc#T14-21-23

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ACTION: JohannesK to send any comments he has to POWDER WG by end of week [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-irc#T14-30-31

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ACTION: Shadi to collect ideas for renaming EARL:notAvailable [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-irc#T15-01-01

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ACTION: Shadi to invite Jan Richards to next teleconf [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-er-irc#T15-01-44