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14:26:35 <LeeF> zakim, this will be dawg
14:26:35 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:27:56 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started
14:27:57 <Zakim> +??P2
14:27:59 <AndyS> zakim, ??P2 is AndyS
14:27:59 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:28:16 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0000.html
14:28:28 <LeeF> LeeF has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access - 3 Jul Agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0000.html
14:28:34 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:28:40 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly
14:30:41 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #dawg
14:32:01 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
14:32:03 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
14:32:04 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
14:32:20 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:32:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji
14:33:08 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
14:33:19 <LeeF> zakim, IBMCambridge is me
14:33:19 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
14:33:51 <LeeF> Regrets: ericP
14:34:17 <LeeF> SteveH, are you around today?
14:34:34 <SteveH> LeeF, yeah
14:34:37 <SteveH> dialing in a moment
14:34:41 <LeeF> cool
14:35:04 <Zakim> +??P9
14:35:10 <jeen> Zakim, ??P9 is me
14:35:10 <Zakim> +jeen; got it
14:35:40 <Zakim> +??P10
14:35:51 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P10 is SteveH
14:35:52 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:36:37 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:36:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji, LeeF, jeen, SteveH
14:36:43 <Zakim> +Souri_Das
14:38:31 <LeeF> Scribe: chimezie
14:39:26 <SteveH> Regrets for the 10th
14:39:33 <Souri> Souri has joined #dawg
14:41:02 <chimezie> jeen: will be leaving current post and the DAWG as well
14:41:50 <chimezie> LeeF: leaving IBM.  Continuing to chair DAWG
14:42:26 <LeeF> topic: action items
14:42:33 <Souri> Good luck to Jeen and Lee on their new jobs!
14:42:59 <LeeF> ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [CONTINUES]
14:43:15 <LeeF> ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [CONTINUES]
14:43:24 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]
14:43:31 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES]
14:43:38 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [CONTINUES]
14:43:45 <LeeF> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]
14:44:01 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP &  chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES]
14:45:29 <chimezie> XPath approach is difficult to express
14:45:41 <LeeF> action -7
14:46:41 <chimezie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html
14:46:45 <LeeF> ACTION: chimezie to go through manifests and generate algebraic forms using spec. syntax to compare with list in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html
14:47:03 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/  [CONTINUES]
14:47:25 <LeeF> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES] 
14:48:18 <chimezie> AndyS: what about Glitter?
14:48:27 <chimezie> LeeF: will continue to use it
14:48:33 <chimezie> ... as for further development on it (not sure)
14:48:44 <chimezie> ... it is an opensource project
14:48:48 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES]
14:49:02 <LeeF> topic: August
14:50:00 <chimezie> LeeF: want to get an idea of holiday plans in August
14:50:08 <chimezie> LeeF: we don't want to drop the PR ball in August
14:51:07 <chimezie> LeeF: will have slightly smaller group in August but enough to proceed
14:51:12 <LeeF> topic: test suite 
14:51:33 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/ construct tests
14:51:58 <chimezie> LeeF: ARQ passes these
14:52:27 <chimezie> SteveH: running them as we speak
14:52:55 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/data-ident.ttl
14:53:05 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/query-ident.rq
14:53:23 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/result-ident.ttl
14:53:24 <chimezie> ... problems with manifest and CONSTRUCT
14:54:15 <LeeF> take a look at:
14:54:16 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/data-opt.ttl
14:54:28 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/query-construct-optional.rq
14:54:46 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/result-construct-optional.ttl
14:55:33 <chimezie> LeeF: look good from eyeball
14:56:13 <chimezie> jeen: we should indicate in the manifest that they are CONSTRUCT tests
14:56:42 <chimezie> LeeF: there is existing vocabulary for expressing this but is not being used
14:56:54 <chimezie> AndyS: similar scenario for sorting scenario
14:57:49 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/test-dawg.n3 contains vocab for test types
14:58:02 <LeeF> dwagt:QuerySelect
14:58:06 <LeeF> dawgt:QueryConstruct
14:58:34 <chimezie> LeeF: perhaps we should use these
14:58:42 <chimezie> SteveH: would be consistent with syntax tests
14:58:47 <LeeF> dawgt:queryForm
15:00:23 <chimezie> ... ongoing conversation about what is that dawgt Base URI binding ...
15:01:40 <chimezie> AndyS: it is in the wrong namespace and perhaps should be moved
15:02:19 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace
15:03:24 <LeeF> PROPOSE: Approve the tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/manifest.ttl, with LeeF running them successfully in the next two weeks
15:03:41 <LeeF> seconded by chimezie
15:04:13 <chimezie> AndyS: we shouldn't get too far ahead of implementations having problems with the manifest
15:04:51 <chimezie> LeeF: if we only have one implementation passing we will have to revisit anyway..
15:05:08 <chimezie> SteveH: abstains
15:05:09 <LeeF> approved, SteveH abstaining
15:05:30 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/type-promotion/
15:06:30 <chimezie> SteveH: can't process them
15:06:41 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to run the construct tests by 17 Jul
15:06:49 <Souri> 16th
15:06:55 <Souri> no
15:07:54 <chimezie> LeeF: get in touch with other implementations not in the WG
15:07:55 <LeeF> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SparqlImplementations ESW Wiki list of SPARQL implementations
15:08:53 <LeeF> not on the list - SteveH's
15:08:58 <SteveH> JXT
15:09:42 <chimezie> jeen: mine is not on the list either
15:10:06 <LeeF> sesame
15:11:10 <jeen> q+ on data-r2/graph tests
15:11:23 <LeeF> ACTION: chimezie to post some early EARL test results to mailing list
15:11:28 <LeeF> ack jeen
15:12:23 <chimezie> jeen: parsing problem with graph-11
15:12:48 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/graph/graph-11.ttl
15:13:43 <LeeF> []
15:14:15 <chimezie> jeen: newline in between BNode indicators ([ \n ])
15:15:00 <LeeF> (grammar definition is ANON ::= '[' WS* ']')
15:15:09 <LeeF> oh wait
15:15:11 <LeeF> that's sparql grammar :)
15:16:37 <chimezie> AndyS: fixed in CVS
15:19:04 <chimezie> jeen: able to run them now
15:19:21 <chimezie> jeen: passes some
15:19:50 <chimezie> q+ on authoritative test URIs (for generating EARL)
15:20:08 <LeeF> ack chimezie
15:21:23 <chimezie> LeeF: Base URI of manifest files should be used to resolve relative Test URIs
15:21:30 <Souri> a minor issue: in "Current Events" section at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ we are still saying: "released Last Call working draft of SPARQL Query Language for RDF 26 Mar 2007"
15:21:34 <chimezie> ... Base URI (on the web)
15:21:57 <Souri> my e-mail bounced, so I was not sure thx
15:22:05 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:22:07 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:22:07 <Zakim> -Souri_Das
15:22:08 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:22:11 <Zakim> -jeen
15:22:15 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:22:16 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:22:17 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji, LeeF, jeen, SteveH, Souri_Das
15:22:20 <LeeF> for the record: lee's new email is lee AT thefigtrees DOT net
15:22:23 <chimezie> Zakim, list participants
15:22:23 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I don't know what conference this is
15:22:25 <LeeF> ("new")
15:22:31 <chimezie> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:22:37 <chimezie> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:22:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html chimezie
15:22:47 <AndyS> zakim, please leave
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15:22:50 <LeeF> thanks for scribing, chimezie
15:22:56 <chimezie> np 
15:24:40 <chimezie> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
15:28:07 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-actions.rdf :
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [CONTINUES] [1]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-42-59
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [CONTINUES] [2]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-15
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES] [3]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-24
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES] [4]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-31
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [CONTINUES] [5]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-38
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [6]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-45
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chimezie to go through manifests and generate algebraic forms using spec. syntax to compare with list in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html [8]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-46-45
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/  [CONTINUES] [9]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-47-03
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES]  [10]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-47-25
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [11]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-48-48
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [12]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T15-02-19
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to run the construct tests by 17 Jul [13]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T15-06-41
15:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chimezie to post some early EARL test results to mailing list [14]
15:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T15-11-23