IRC log of sweo on 2007-06-27

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13:43:15 [ivan]

zakim, this will be sweo

13:43:15 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes

13:43:29 [ivan]

rrsagent, set log public

13:44:05 [kjetilk]

I'll hang around here, but there is so much to do right now, that I'm not sure I will call in

13:45:24 [kjetilk]

yup

13:45:30 [kjetilk]

my final release...

13:45:41 [kjetilk]

but I'll go out with a bang :-)

13:45:52 [kjetilk]

giving a talk about semweb for the company on Friday :-)

13:53:11 [ivan]

which company?

13:53:24 [kjetilk]

Opera

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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started

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+ +1.781.273.aaaa

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+Dunja

14:00:36 [ivan]

zakim, dial ivan-home

14:00:36 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; the call is being made

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+Ivan

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+susie

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14:01:00 [ivan]

zakim, aaaa is kingsley

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+kingsley; got it

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+??P27

14:01:20 [ivan]

zakim, ??P27 is Leo

14:01:20 [Zakim]

+Leo; got it

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+PaulaP

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+[IPcaller]

14:02:02 [ivan]

zakim, IPcaller is Bengee

14:02:12 [Zakim]

+Bengee; got it

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+LeeF

14:03:16 [leobard]

ivan: I used SkypeOut also some months ago, did work several times

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-LeeF

14:06:09 [ivan]

scribenick: ivan

14:06:16 [ivan]

Topic: SW flyer

14:06:34 [Susie]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/Semantic_Web_Flyer

14:06:41 [ivan]

dunja: I sent around a mockup of the flyer

14:06:49 [ivan]

... have you looked at it?

14:06:56 [ivan]

susie: doing it now...:-)

14:07:09 [ivan]

... could you highlight?

14:07:26 [ivan]

dunja: this is to see whether the content fits or not, i used dummy pictures and text boxes

14:07:55 [ivan]

... the first page is a 'hot' story Ian wanted to see

14:08:09 [ivan]

... I agree with Ivan that there may be a bit too much text

14:08:10 [Zakim]

+Jeff_Schiffel

14:08:21 [ivan]

... would be good to have a good short story instead of this one

14:08:39 [ivan]

... the second page is all about data integration with the image of Ivan (to be modified)

14:08:51 [ivan]

... last page is the layercake with a little bit of technical details

14:09:04 [ivan]

... the volume of the text is the maximum, we should not produce more

14:09:18 [ivan]

... i hope we can make up the text for the first page

14:09:28 [ivan]

susie: looking good

14:09:52 [ivan]

.... the next step is for the sweo participants to read it feedback

14:10:22 [ivan]

ivan: dunja, you sent around a set of stories as well, we should discuss

14:10:34 [Zakim]

+ +1.603.886.aabb

14:10:46 [ivan]

dunja: yes, one is on the flyer already

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.... it would be good to have one of those

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14:11:11 [ivan]

zakim, aabb is Melli

14:11:11 [Zakim]

+Melli; got it

14:11:16 [Zakim]

+??P41

14:11:21 [leobard]

q+

14:11:30 [ivan]

zakim, ??P41 is orri

14:11:30 [Zakim]

+orri; got it

14:11:33 [danja]

apologies, will be in shortly

14:11:55 [ivan]

kingsley: the first page is not on the wiki?

14:12:13 [ivan]

... dunja, can you put it up there?

14:12:41 [Dunja]

1. use case

14:13:38 [ivan]

susie: could you put it on the wiki and send around to the list

14:13:58 [ivan]

leo: on the first page there is a rather technical description with the layercake

14:14:25 [ivan]

... i think for a flyer we should rather say something on how to extend current web architecture with the SW

14:15:05 [ivan]

... on the third page you could say something 'you already put data on the web' and now you can use rdf for others to pick it up

14:16:59 [ivan]

... the example could also be Timbl's original example on the dentist

14:17:26 [leobard]

ivan: the example that is now on the flyer, it is not an artificial example

14:17:44 [leobard]

ivan: the dentist example (talked by leo) is more artificial

14:18:17 [leobard]

ivan: the example at the moment is 'personalized medicine' and is very graspable for people

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+??P42

14:19:10 [danja]

Zakim, ??P42 is danja

14:19:10 [Zakim]

+danja; got it

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+??P32

14:19:36 [_uldis]

Zakim, ??P32 is uldis

14:19:36 [Zakim]

+uldis; got it

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14:19:50 [danja]

Zakim, mute me

14:19:50 [Zakim]

danja should now be muted

14:20:27 [leobard]

kingsley: we should have linked data in the example

14:21:01 [ivan]

dunja: the use cases are now on the wiki!

14:21:37 [ivan]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/Semantic_Web_Flyer pointer to the flyer on the wiki

14:21:42 [ivan]

Topic: logos

14:21:52 [ivan]

bengee: we will have a call with the comm team tomorrow

14:21:56 [ivan]

... 3pm UTC

14:22:16 [ivan]

... otherwise not much news

14:22:43 [ivan]

... i pinked sandro and alistair to ping them on the logos

14:22:53 [ivan]

... i added a skos logo done by john breslin

14:23:04 [ivan]

... i also added a sparql logo that was created by ???

14:23:16 [bengee]

zac bjelogrlic

14:23:29 [ivan]

Topic: use cases

14:23:33 [ivan]

ivan: nothing really happened

14:23:55 [ivan]

Topic: information gathering

14:24:09 [ivan]

Leo: we had test customer, m bergmann and d beckett

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... many things came up

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... michael had it in a sheet on google

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... at the end things worked

14:25:01 [ivan]

kingsley: we realized that there are more documentation we have to add

14:25:18 [ivan]

... it is a question on what target users we have

14:25:30 [ivan]

... michael did not realize that the content must be in rdf

14:25:48 [ivan]

... the sticky point was that he realized that an ontology is indeed

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... some documentation is necessary

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... m done his job, and we can use that as an example on how data can be transformed

14:26:43 [leobard]

i scribe:

14:26:51 [leobard]

understood

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14:30:29 [ivan]

susie: my action is that the data should be queriable by sparql endpoint, is it done?

14:31:02 [ivan]

leo: what i need is an entry point to all graphs

14:31:41 [ivan]

kingsley: i will save a few queries, and somebody else can open up the queries. The issue is what uris are available there?

14:32:17 [ivan]

susie: I think you talk about a better documentation

14:32:21 [Zakim]

+LeeF

14:32:32 [ivan]

... I think what kingsley is trying to say should be a simple guide

14:32:50 [ivan]

... is it something kingsley is to done

14:33:38 [ivan]

action kingsley: produce a documentation for the sparql usage on the info gathering side, for july 11

14:33:53 [ivan]

Topic: community project

14:34:04 [ivan]

kjetil is not here

14:34:23 [ivan]

Topic: entreprise survey

14:35:03 [ivan]

susie: ivan, can you try to motivate karen on the entr survey

14:35:12 [ivan]

ivan: I will try, susie should do it, too

14:35:17 [ivan]

Topic: face to face meeting

14:35:33 [ivan]

susie: decided to have it in October 24

14:35:44 [ivan]

... ivan is looking to see if we can have a room at mit

14:36:16 [ivan]

Topic: tech plenary

14:36:29 [ivan]

susie: got a meeting from steve bratt

14:36:54 [ivan]

... we are meant to be discussing any agenda item we would like on the meeting

14:37:53 [ivan]

... eg, future of xhtml, video, etc

14:38:03 [ivan]

... topics on a wide varietey

14:40:18 [ivan]

Topic: leo's topic

14:40:36 [ivan]

Leo: in the discussion with bergman an issue came up

14:40:46 [ivan]

... we should not only educate the people outside about the SW

14:41:24 [ivan]

... but we should also get the feedback from the broader world on the SW and pass it on to the W3C

14:41:44 [leobard]

the text by michael is: "In fact, and this is what I think you were getting at, David, the role

14:41:44 [leobard]

of the SWEO is not to communicate from the W3C to the broader world, but

14:41:44 [leobard]

actually, the opposite. The broader world has much to say, and the job

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of the SWEO needs to make the general world's viewpoints about usability

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and usefulness relevant back to the W3C's internal deliberations and

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standards. Have we pointed the horn in the right direction? If it has

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value, the world will listen."

14:42:03 [ivan]

Susie: i guess the people we would be looking to is people who are exploring the technology

14:42:23 [ivan]

Ivan: what is the difference between that and the survey?

14:42:32 [ivan]

susie: i think the survey was at a higher level

14:42:42 [ivan]

... we were trying to understand what they were doing

14:43:00 [ivan]

... there was a section on what should sweo do

14:43:22 [ivan]

... I think bergman's would be more lower level

14:43:37 [ivan]

... it is not clear to me whether people would be providing that input

14:43:49 [Zakim]

+??P3

14:43:52 [kjetilk]

Zakim, ??P3 is me

14:43:52 [Zakim]

+kjetilk; got it

14:43:56 [ivan]

leo: some of them are doing that on the swig mailing list, but there is too much

14:44:15 [ivan]

... maybe a separate topic or area on 'key showstoppers' or things like that

14:44:37 [ivan]

Topic: AOB

14:44:57 [ivan]

Susie: next wednesday is 4th of July, I propose to skip that, and next meeting is 11th July

14:45:12 [danja]

:-)

14:45:17 [ivan]

Topic: community project (Kjetil)

14:45:33 [ivan]

kjetil: there is progress in my project,

14:45:45 [ivan]

... but I have been busy finishing at opera

14:45:58 [ivan]

... this is the final meeting I have as opera

14:46:08 [ivan]

susie: big luck at computas

14:46:50 [ivan]

Topic: AOB II.

14:46:54 [ivan]

...nothing

14:46:58 [ivan]

Susie: adjurn

14:47:01 [danja]

Zakim, unmute me

14:47:01 [Zakim]

danja should no longer be muted

14:47:04 [PaulaP]

bye

14:47:07 [Zakim]

-kjetilk

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-PaulaP

14:47:08 [Zakim]

-Melli

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-Dunja

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-Bengee

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-susie

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-Ivan

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-kingsley

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-uldis

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-Leo

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-orri

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-danja

14:47:37 [Zakim]

-LeeF

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-Jeff_Schiffel

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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.781.273.aaaa, Dunja, Ivan, susie, kingsley, Leo, PaulaP, Bengee, LeeF, Jeff_Schiffel, +1.603.886.aabb, Melli, orri, danja, uldis, kjetilk

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14:57:44 [ivan]

rrsagent, generate minutes

14:57:44 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-sweo-minutes.html ivan

14:57:51 [ivan]

zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

14:57:55 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-sweo-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: kingsley to produce a documentation for the sparql usage on the info gathering side, for july 11 [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-sweo-irc#T14-33-38