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13:47:01 <shadi> zakim, this will be ERT
13:47:01 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
13:47:10 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:47:22 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0083.html
13:47:43 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:47:45 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 Working Draft
13:47:54 <shadi> agenda+ More documents for review
13:48:03 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema: Test Mode
13:57:47 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:54 <Zakim> +RoyalSonestaHotel
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14:06:06 <Zakim> +??P38
14:08:20 <shadi> zakim, ??p38 is really CarlosI
14:08:20 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
14:08:39 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 Working Draft" taken up [from shadi]
14:08:59 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
14:09:17 <shadi> CI: "Baseline" was clearer to me
14:10:04 <shadi> ...new concept mixes responsibility between content developers and User Agent developers
14:11:03 <shadi> ...if UA's don't use accessibility features of a technology then it is a UA problem, not an accessibility problem
14:11:40 <shadi> ..."current state of technology" is very diverse amongst assistive techs
14:12:45 <shadi> ...not sure why user agents are mentioned, should be more separation between ATAG, UAAG, WCAG
14:16:59 <shadi> SAZ: there needs to be a balance between the puristic approach and the more pragmatic -theortical accessibility support doesn't work in real life
14:17:41 <shadi> CI: you will always find a UA or an assistive tech that fails in something
14:18:35 <shadi> ...the level of support is not mentioned -100% or just some support?
14:25:54 <shadi> SAZ: comments from perspective or eval tools developer?
14:26:23 <shadi> CI: concept of transaction doesn't seem clear -what is a full process?
14:26:58 <shadi> ...for example, purchase process may be different depending on the login of the user
14:27:13 <shadi> ...do all different variants need to be considered?
14:27:59 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#conformance
14:28:05 <shadi> Item #9
14:30:18 <shadi> CI: difficult for external reviewer to know all the possible paths and scenarios of a process
14:32:55 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20070517/Overview.html#uc-conformance-requirements-head
14:36:02 <shadi> SAZ: how about if in the guidelines there is a brief mention that sometimes internal knowledge of the application and processes is needed to evaluate this requirement
14:36:43 <shadi> ...to acknowledge that external reviews aren't always simple because the internal processes (and branches/paths etc) may be hidden or unkown
14:37:04 <shadi> ...and elaborate a little more on this in the "Understanding" document
14:37:36 <shadi> ...to help guide evaluators who want to *review* web sites (as opposed to developers building the site)
14:40:18 <CarlosI> Statement of partial conformance
14:42:25 <shadi> CI: statement of partial conformance could be a backdoor
14:44:01 <shadi> ..."everything is ok with my CMS, but i can't control my content"
14:45:01 <shadi> ...can be an excuse, need to be able to control the conformance level
14:50:37 <CarlosI> except for error periods
14:54:10 <CarlosI> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20070517/Overview.html#uc-239-head
14:56:42 <shadi> CI: blanket conformance claims for whole Web sites should be avoided, hardly exists in reality
14:57:34 <shadi> ...for example claims for whole sites will most usually have exceptions
14:57:56 <shadi> ...i'm missing a note or some kind of clarification
15:00:28 <shadi> SAZ: do you agree that the basic notion of the conformance claim is based on Web pages rather than whole web sites?
15:01:06 <shadi> CI: understanding of "set of Web pages" may be different -like domains, directories, etc
15:04:16 <shadi> SAZ: can you draft these comments
15:04:29 <shadi> CI: also have another comment on resources
15:04:46 <shadi> ...will put them together and send a draft by tomorrow
15:05:25 <Zakim> -RoyalSonestaHotel
15:05:41 <shadi> zakim, disconnect carlos
15:05:41 <Zakim> CarlosI is being disconnected
15:05:42 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:05:44 <Zakim> Attendees were RoyalSonestaHotel, CarlosI
15:05:46 <shadi> zakim, bye
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15:05:53 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:05:59 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:05:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-er-minutes.html shadi
15:06:01 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:06:10 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:06:10 <RRSAgent> I see no action items