IRC log of er on 2007-06-27

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13:47:01 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ERT

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0083.html

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chair: Shadi

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agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 Working Draft

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agenda+ More documents for review

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema: Test Mode

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+RoyalSonestaHotel

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+??P38

14:08:20 [shadi]

zakim, ??p38 is really CarlosI

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+CarlosI; got it

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 Working Draft" taken up [from shadi]

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scribe: Shadi

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CI: "Baseline" was clearer to me

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...new concept mixes responsibility between content developers and User Agent developers

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...if UA's don't use accessibility features of a technology then it is a UA problem, not an accessibility problem

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..."current state of technology" is very diverse amongst assistive techs

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...not sure why user agents are mentioned, should be more separation between ATAG, UAAG, WCAG

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SAZ: there needs to be a balance between the puristic approach and the more pragmatic -theortical accessibility support doesn't work in real life

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CI: you will always find a UA or an assistive tech that fails in something

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...the level of support is not mentioned -100% or just some support?

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SAZ: comments from perspective or eval tools developer?

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CI: concept of transaction doesn't seem clear -what is a full process?

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...for example, purchase process may be different depending on the login of the user

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...do all different variants need to be considered?

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http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#conformance

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Item #9

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CI: difficult for external reviewer to know all the possible paths and scenarios of a process

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20070517/Overview.html#uc-conformance-requirements-head

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SAZ: how about if in the guidelines there is a brief mention that sometimes internal knowledge of the application and processes is needed to evaluate this requirement

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...to acknowledge that external reviews aren't always simple because the internal processes (and branches/paths etc) may be hidden or unkown

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...and elaborate a little more on this in the "Understanding" document

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...to help guide evaluators who want to *review* web sites (as opposed to developers building the site)

14:40:18 [CarlosI]

Statement of partial conformance

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CI: statement of partial conformance could be a backdoor

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..."everything is ok with my CMS, but i can't control my content"

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...can be an excuse, need to be able to control the conformance level

14:50:37 [CarlosI]

except for error periods

14:54:10 [CarlosI]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20070517/Overview.html#uc-239-head

14:56:42 [shadi]

CI: blanket conformance claims for whole Web sites should be avoided, hardly exists in reality

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...for example claims for whole sites will most usually have exceptions

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...i'm missing a note or some kind of clarification

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SAZ: do you agree that the basic notion of the conformance claim is based on Web pages rather than whole web sites?

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CI: understanding of "set of Web pages" may be different -like domains, directories, etc

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SAZ: can you draft these comments

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CI: also have another comment on resources

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...will put them together and send a draft by tomorrow

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-RoyalSonestaHotel

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zakim, disconnect carlos

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CarlosI is being disconnected

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were RoyalSonestaHotel, CarlosI

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, bye

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