Steven: Agreed we have to talk about best practices 14:30:38 Rich: You can't stop people doing the wrong thing; at least we now have a way to extract the real semantics, rather than having to guess 14:32:34 Steven: The nice thing that this offers is a link to the semantic web way of defining semantics 14:33:40 Tina: For people who don't understand h1, rdf doesn't give them any value 14:33:51 Mark: I think you are missing the point 14:34:03 .... you don't have to understand rdf 14:34:11 ... there are values you can use 14:34:40 ... so we have the best of both worlds: a predefined list, and hooks into rdf which makes it extensible for the future 14:35:06 Tina: I'm worried that people will ad semantics with role 14:36:43 ... if someone makes up their own semantics, there is no way to get out the real meaning 14:37:21 Steven: Yes there is! That's the nice thing about semweb tools: you can define the relationship between different semantics ('ontologies') 14:38:26 Rich: The nice thing about this apporach is that you don't need 'skip to' links for instance, and the browser still offers a shortcut to the main content 14:40:45 Steven: Are you going to do a review, or was this it Tina? 14:40:58 Tina: THe document is fine, I'm just worried about the principle. 14:41:51 Topic: Name and namespace 14:41:54 -ShaneM 14:42:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0018.html 14:43:57 Shane: You know my opinion; they should not calll it XHTML unless they use modularization 14:44:36 Tina: There are two markup languages, HTML and XHTML. I'm not sure that HTLM5 is even HTML, but that is a different discussion 14:47:30 Rich: I'm worried about the confusion. I have no problems with HTML5/xml or so 14:47:43 ... but not XHTML5 14:48:07 Mark: I don't see why they need two names. They have HTML5, with two serializations. No need for two names 14:48:17 Tina: I agree with the problem of confusion 14:48:30 ... I've already seen it amongst developers. 14:49:23 Rich: ALl existing XHTMLs have been modular, and HTML5 is not. Its's a mess. 14:50:00 S/ALl/All 14:50:19 Yam: It doesn't make any sense for them to produce something called XHTML5 14:50:55 yamx has joined #xhtml 14:51:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0017.html 14:53:11 Steven: And now the namespace 14:53:34 ... we were criticised in the past for having a different namespace, and therefore we changed it back (correctly in my view) 14:53:43 I concur. 14:53:50 Rich: I think HTML5 is not backwards compatible 14:54:01 Tina: Agreed, especially with elements changing meaning 14:55:43 Steven: I believe that XHTML2 is more backwards compatible than HTML5 14:56:16 Rich: If the browser manufacturers are going to have to make lal these changes for au=dio, video, canvas and so on, what''s the problem with a new namespace? 14:56:22 Steven: Good point 14:56:58 Topic: URL is overspecified 15:00:02 -markbirbeck 15:00:03 -Steven 15:00:04 -yamx 15:00:06 -Tina 15:01:09 StevenL If I understand the point of view being expressed, just because URLs go over the wire in ascii, there is no reason to demand the URL in the XHTML source to be ascii; we can allow the international form of domain names etc in the source, and require the browser to udo the conversion to ascii 15:01:13 Yam: Quite agree 15:01:18 Mark: Sounds like a good idea 15:01:37 ACTION: Steven to get advice from I18N group about international form of URIs 15:01:50 s/StevenL/Steven:/ 15:02:00 zakim, who is here? 15:02:02 On the phone I see Rich 15:02:08 On IRC I see ShaneM, Tina, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, markbirbeck, krijnh 15:02:08 zakim, drop rich 15:02:14 Rich is being disconnected 15:02:16 IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended 15:02:20 Attendees were Dialer, Steven, ShaneM, Tina, markbirbeck, yamx, Rich 15:02:45 rrsagent, make minutes 15:02:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-xhtml-minutes.html Steven 15:03:24 Chair: Steven 15:06:13 rrsagent, make minutes 15:06:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-xhtml-minutes.html Steven 16:16:32 Lachy has joined #xhtml 17:30:33 Zakim has left #xhtml 19:23:03 markbirbeck has joined #xhtml 20:21:19 ShaneM has joined #xhtml 21:11:39 Steven has left #xhtml