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14:57:05 <Zakim> agendum 13 added
14:57:07 <Zakim> agenda+ Standard Transformation Library
14:57:08 <Zakim> agendum 14 added
14:57:09 <Zakim> agenda+ #issue-dbooth-3(ambiguity)
14:57:10 <Zakim> agendum 15 added
14:57:11 <Zakim> agenda+ #issue-base-param
14:57:13 <Zakim> agendum 16 added
14:57:15 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL vocabulary and misc spec edits
14:57:16 <Zakim> agendum 17 added
14:57:18 <Zakim> agenda+ Implementation Report, toward PR request
14:57:20 <Zakim> agendum 18 added
14:57:22 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
14:57:24 <Zakim> +??P0
14:57:26 <Zakim> -??P0
14:57:28 <Zakim> +??P0
14:57:56 <briansuda> Zakim, ??P0 is briansuda
14:57:56 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
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15:00:09 <DanC> agenda -18
15:00:11 <DanC> agenda -17
15:00:13 <DanC> agenda -16
15:00:16 <DanC> agenda -15
15:00:18 <DanC> agenda -14
15:00:19 <DanC> agenda -13
15:00:21 <DanC> agenda -12
15:00:22 <DanC> agenda -11
15:00:24 <DanC> agenda -10
15:00:29 <DanC> agenda -9
15:00:36 <DanC> oops
15:00:51 <DanC> agenda 9 =  Implementation Report, toward PR request
15:01:05 <Zakim> +DanC
15:01:25 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
15:01:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-06-20T11:00-0400" taken up
15:01:32 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:01:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC
15:01:41 <Zakim> +??P20
15:01:53 <DanC> Zakim, ??P20 is rreck
15:01:53 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
15:02:19 <DanC> Scribe: briansuda 
15:02:31 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/att-0113/13-grddl-wg-minutes.html minutes 13 Jun
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15:03:21 <DanC> dbooth: note 6 Jun record doesn't say who chaired
15:03:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:39 <iand> I am only available via IRC today I'm afraid
15:03:40 <DanC> (I see a chair in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/att-0046/SV_MEETING_TITLE_--_6_Jun_2007.htm )
15:04:00 <danja_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja_
15:04:01 <Zakim> +danja_; got it
15:04:25 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:04:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, danja_
15:04:34 <jjc> jjc has joined #grddl-wg
15:04:35 <DanC> iand, 13 jun minutes good enough for you?
15:04:40 <iand> yes
15:04:49 <HarryH> HarryH has joined #grddl-wg
15:04:55 <DanC> RESOLVED: to approve minutes 13 Jun
15:05:16 <DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 27 June 11:00-0400. scribe volunteer?
15:05:33 <DanC> HarryH, you're still OK for next week, right?
15:05:49 <Zakim> +Harry_Halpin
15:05:51 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again Wed, 27 June 11:00-0400, danja_ to scribe
15:06:37 <Zakim> +Murray_Maloney
15:06:53 <rreck> can someone please provide a link to the agenda?
15:06:58 <briansuda> harry, discuss 1 or 2 or dbooths proposals
15:07:07 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:07:13 <Zakim> +??P30
15:07:14 <DanC> but for archival purposes...
15:07:17 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:07:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Done without comment" taken up
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15:07:27 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:07:27 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, HarryH
15:07:32 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 3
15:07:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Primer" taken up
15:07:35 <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0177.html
15:08:08 <briansuda> harry, for primer - addressed comments, queries working (some), ...
15:08:43 <briansuda> danny, referencing profile documents, giving bad results?
15:09:09 <DanC> PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.81 2007/06/20 14:05:38 plus SPARQL query fixes, plus editorial changes that Harry runs by at least one WG member
15:09:15 <HarryH> Embedded RDF?
15:09:15 <DanC> ^that's what I heard harry propose
15:09:17 <briansuda> danny, resulting RDF was not complete, or maybe the guitar example
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15:09:41 <DanC> (brian, use danny: to attribute something to danny)
15:10:02 <jjc> The use of a namespace on the root element represents a declaration that the document conforms to the authoritative definition of that namespace as defined by the namespace owner, which may include a transformation from that XML dialect into RDF using GRDDL.
15:10:03 <HarryH>     * ACTION: danja to review primer [CONTINUES]
15:10:43 <briansuda> harry: one last grammar check
15:10:48 <briansuda> on the primer
15:11:37 <briansuda> danny: just light editorary thing, and the one error in RDF
15:12:04 <HarryH> Danja, also it would also be useful for you to run queries over sample data.
15:12:14 <briansuda> Dan: keep as much out of the critical path, just Harry and Danny
15:12:14 <Zakim> +FabienG
15:12:39 <briansuda> Danny: david's usecase had the error
15:12:56 <briansuda> that error was fixed yesterday
15:13:04 <jjc> (jeremy + ian)
15:13:15 <briansuda> Harry: looking for consense on proposal
15:13:24 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.81 2007/06/20 14:05:38 plus SPARQL query fixes, plus editorial changes that Harry runs by at least one WG member.
15:13:32 <briansuda> danny: seconds
15:13:35 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:13:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, danja_, Harry_Halpin, Murray_Maloney, jjc, FabienG
15:13:47 <briansuda> david: yes,
15:13:54 <briansuda> john: yes
15:13:57 <rreck> yes
15:14:00 <FabienG> fabien : concur
15:14:01 <briansuda> dan: yes
15:14:01 <HarryH> rreck?
15:14:11 <briansuda> Murry: yes
15:14:21 <iand> yes
15:14:21 <briansuda> brian: yes
15:14:44 <HarryH> RESOLVED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.81 2007/06/20 14:05:38 plus SPARQL query fixes, plus editorial changes that Harry runs by at least one WG member.
15:14:47 <rreck> version 1.81?
15:15:13 <briansuda> Dan: put the pictures back into the primer
15:15:14 <john-l> That's to publish that to http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/ as a working draft?
15:15:25 <rreck> yes, i concur
15:15:43 <briansuda> Dan: all the actions are closed on that item
15:16:08 <briansuda> Dan: working draft or note?
15:16:13 <briansuda> Harry: note
15:16:17 <HarryH> Primer as a Note.
15:16:38 <DanC> WG Note fine by me
15:17:00 <HarryH> RESOLVED: to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.81 2007/06/20 14:05:38 as a WG Note plus SPARQL query fixes, plus editorial changes that Harry runs by at least one WG member.
15:17:31 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:17:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Done without comment" taken up
15:17:36 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 4
15:17:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "GRDDL Test Cases" taken up
15:17:41 <DanC> Zakim, close item 2
15:17:41 <Zakim> agendum 2, Done without comment, closed
15:17:42 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:17:43 <Zakim> 4. GRDDL Test Cases
15:18:11 <briansuda> name change from embeded-RDF to inline-RDF
15:18:13 <HarryH> ACTION: john-l to ping Dave Beckett about embeddedRDF [DONE]
15:18:35 <briansuda> Harry: do we have earl results from Dave Beckett? - not yet
15:18:45 <jjc> On test cases http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0199
15:18:51 <briansuda> John: contacted Dave about this
15:18:52 <Zakim> -jjc
15:18:56 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0135.html
15:19:06 <DanC> (is "ACTION: chimezie to update test manifest to include statements about features exercised by each test" done?)
15:19:35 <john-l> DanC, good question; I believe the answer is yes.
15:19:37 <Zakim> +??P24
15:19:38 <briansuda> Harry: any of chimezie open questions need to be answered
15:20:17 <briansuda> john: not sure if this is not finished
15:20:46 <briansuda> still @@'s on XProc stuff
15:22:35 <briansuda> Harry: get the test editor's draft up to speed to publish next week...
15:22:55 <briansuda> Dan: there have been answers to the @@'s that need to be put into the document
15:23:31 <HarryH> ACTION: john-l to ask chime to fix @@s in test-case document
15:23:48 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0140.html Re: Updates to test cases editor's draft. from Dan C
15:24:54 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0199.html and from jjc re test editor's draft
15:25:23 <HarryH> Zakim open item 5
15:25:28 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 5
15:25:29 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Standard Transformation Library" taken up
15:25:32 <DanC> Zakim, close item 4
15:25:32 <Zakim> agendum 4, GRDDL Test Cases, closed
15:25:33 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:25:34 <Zakim> 5. Standard Transformation Library
15:25:54 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist
15:26:04 <briansuda> Jeremy: should not suggest more tests, they won't get into the draft - they test the LIB not the implementations
15:26:21 <briansuda> no need to formally approve them
15:26:34 <briansuda> Dan: interested in getting them on the test suite
15:26:40 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to exercise GRDDL.py on http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist
15:26:52 <jjc> #trix2 does not work yet
15:27:56 <briansuda> Jeremy: will chat with John and seek approval next week
15:28:28 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc to fix glean-profile to work with redirects [DONE]
15:28:41 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
15:28:42 <Zakim> agendum 6. "#issue-dbooth-3(ambiguity)" taken up
15:28:46 <dbooth> slides http://dbooth.org/2007/grddl/ambiguity.ppt
15:28:54 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0142.html
15:29:26 <briansuda> david: slide 2, given an XML document, what RDF was intended
15:30:22 <briansuda> slide 3: not disirable abiguity, not forcing author to be unabigious, ...
15:30:29 <DanC> Zakim, mute jjc
15:30:29 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted
15:30:48 <briansuda> slide 4, two kinds of ambiguity
15:30:58 <briansuda> 1. Wrong results.  Results contain different triples than intended. 
15:31:04 <briansuda> 2. Subsetting.  User unknowingly gets a proper subset of the intended results, while believing that he/she got all of them.
15:31:59 <briansuda> leave the door open to future working groups to determine terms
15:32:05 <briansuda> Proposal 1b part 1: Partial solution
15:32:12 <briansuda> Proposal: Change input of GRDDL transformation from XPath node tree to representation
15:32:38 <dbooth> http://dbooth.org/2007/grddl/ambiguity.ppt
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15:32:47 <dbooth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0201.html
15:33:39 <briansuda> Permits transformation author to reduce variability in the "transformation application" step
15:33:51 <briansuda> Simple normative change
15:33:54 <briansuda> No changes to test cases
15:34:01 <briansuda> Proposal 2b part 1: Better solution
15:34:06 <Zakim> -danja_
15:34:15 <dbooth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0209.html
15:34:16 <briansuda> Proposal: 
15:34:16 <briansuda> Change input of GRDDL transformation from XPath node tree to representation; and
15:34:16 <briansuda> Specify that parsing is minimal, non-validating/me wn/
15:34:43 <jjc> [[
15:34:43 <jjc> change: "XML document"      to "XML document D"
15:34:44 <jjc> and:    "TP applied to R"   to "TP applied to D"
15:34:44 <jjc> ]]
15:34:53 <jjc> is the part imported from earlier messages
15:35:00 <briansuda> Observations:
15:35:01 <briansuda> Reduces unwanted ambiguity problem
15:35:01 <briansuda> Permits transformation author to reduce variability in the "transformation application" step
15:35:01 <briansuda> Simple normative change
15:35:01 <briansuda> No changes to test cases
15:35:26 <DanC> (require non-validating parsing? that conflicts with recent real-world experience, i.e. XTech )
15:36:11 <DanC> (at this point in the process, post-CR, any substantive changes really should come with test cases.)
15:36:14 <jjc> (I discovered that I am using a validating parser - I need to find out how to switch it off)
15:36:28 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:36:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, Harry_Halpin, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, jjc (muted)
15:36:49 <briansuda> abstain
15:37:12 <briansuda> john: yes, interested
15:37:42 <briansuda> Dan: change from nodeset-document needs some test-cases, no support without test cases
15:37:56 <briansuda> Dan: based on the proposal, no
15:38:00 <HarryH> DanC - no (without test-cases)
15:38:03 <rreck> yes i am interested. but i think test cases are useful
15:38:10 <HarryH> abstrain
15:38:24 <HarryH> murray - no 
15:38:32 <HarryH> and would require re-opening faithful infoset.
15:38:34 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me
15:38:34 <Zakim> jjc should no longer be muted
15:38:35 <FabienG> concur
15:38:39 <HarryH> jjc?
15:38:40 <iand> i abstain
15:39:04 <briansuda> jeremy: opposed, ...
15:39:15 <jjc> (personally speaking)
15:39:19 <jjc> Zakim, mute me
15:39:19 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted
15:39:28 <HarryH> 3 yes and 3 nos.
15:39:33 <dbooth> dbooth is yes :)
15:39:57 <HarryH> What if jeremy's test case was added:
15:39:58 <briansuda> david: if the test case were added, would there be support?
15:40:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:40:09 <Zakim> -Harry_Halpin
15:40:18 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0149.html
15:40:35 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me
15:40:35 <Zakim> jjc should no longer be muted
15:40:42 <briansuda> david: implimentor issues, would/could they make the changes
15:41:00 <Zakim> +Harry_Halpin
15:42:44 <briansuda> Murry?: we don't have tests that take a document in, look for transformation, then decide to execute or not?
15:42:48 <jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist#db-3a
15:42:51 <jjc> and onwards
15:43:04 <briansuda> all the current apps we use are pipelines
15:43:11 <dbooth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0209.html
15:43:28 <briansuda> david: 2b part 1 straw poll, same as 1b part 1, with extras
15:43:45 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:43:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, jjc, [IPcaller] (muted), Harry_Halpin
15:43:57 <jjc> Zakim, mute me
15:43:57 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted
15:44:00 <briansuda> abstain
15:44:06 <HarryH> john-l: yes
15:44:08 <briansuda> John: yes
15:44:26 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me
15:44:26 <Zakim> jjc should no longer be muted
15:44:37 <briansuda> Dan: against, but needs thought
15:44:41 <rreck> yes
15:44:51 <HarryH> murray: no
15:44:52 <briansuda> Murry: no
15:44:52 <FabienG> concur
15:44:57 <jjc> no
15:45:03 <HarryH> danja?
15:45:13 <iand> i abstain
15:45:16 <HarryH> abstain
15:45:30 <DanC> (Harry, if there's no open issue, the WG doesn't have to make a decision; a proposal that doesn't get consensus can just go by the wayside)
15:45:43 <danja> muted ipcaller
15:46:20 <briansuda> david: withdraw proposals at this point
15:46:35 <briansuda> Harry: any portion or changes that the WG could improve and push forward?
15:46:41 <danja> Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja
15:46:41 <Zakim> +danja; got it
15:46:59 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me
15:46:59 <Zakim> jjc should no longer be muted
15:47:10 <DanC> (I think the "complete GRDDL result" idea is interesting, but I'm not sure how to fit it into the WG schedule. I guess I encourage an HP submission or something.)
15:47:24 <briansuda> David: anyone on the fence, what changes would be simple tweaks that would change your thoughts?
15:47:34 <briansuda> danny: hasn't had a chance to review full, many good points...
15:49:19 <briansuda> danny: how many of these are known-problems?
15:49:48 <briansuda> Harry: xinclude example, to resolve or not resolve it
15:50:06 <briansuda> Danny: different triples, is different than sub-set - wrong results are problems
15:50:06 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me
15:50:06 <Zakim> jjc should no longer be muted
15:50:30 <briansuda> Murry: if you don't deal with infoset, then you are missing info.
15:50:48 <DanC> PROPOSED: to respond to issue-dbooth-3 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0078.html by noting that the WG sees some room for further study, but has postponed a nearby issue, issue-faithful-infoset , and encourages the community to experiment in this area
15:50:56 <DanC> q+
15:50:59 <briansuda> murry: DTD and other things add parts to a true XML document
15:51:16 <jjc> q+ to represent someone else in HP
15:51:32 <briansuda> david: permit the author to use things like XProc to control the flow
15:51:51 <HarryH> ack jjc 
15:51:51 <danja> Zakim, mute me
15:51:52 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to represent someone else in HP
15:51:55 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
15:52:11 <briansuda> Murry: the proposal doesn't change how Xproc handles anything
15:53:17 <briansuda> Jeremy: many specs are moving tword ???
15:53:17 <DanC> (re jjc's point, noah M. (in the TAG) often brings up "synthetic infosets" )
15:53:21 <HarryH> ack DanC
15:54:09 <briansuda> Harry: if we postpone this, then it delays the GRDDL spec
15:54:28 <jjc> q+ to modify DanC's proposal, if the chair wishes us to consider it
15:54:53 <jjc> DanC: proposed to respond to comment noting that we have postponed #faithful-infoset
15:55:09 <briansuda> Harry: anything between normative and tests?
15:57:30 <briansuda> Harry: the spec talks about passing the node-tree to transformation language
15:57:53 <HarryH> ack jjc
15:57:53 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to modify DanC's proposal, if the chair wishes us to consider it
15:58:28 <briansuda> David: wants to hold till next week
15:58:33 <briansuda> Dan: wants to decide now
15:58:46 <briansuda> Jeremy: amendment to Dan's proposal
15:59:31 <briansuda> postponing faithful-info set was an important part of and referenced in our documents
15:59:44 <DanC> q+ to suggest that links to open tag issues fit better in the status section
16:00:01 <HarryH> ack DanC
16:00:01 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to suggest that links to open tag issues fit better in the status section
16:00:18 <briansuda> Dan: tag issues in the status section already, could add a link there
16:00:57 <briansuda> add a link to the status section about XML
16:01:28 <briansuda> David: jeremy's wordsmithing, be away to address teh comment
16:01:41 <jjc> [[
16:01:41 <jjc> this specification anticipates that the
16:01:42 <jjc> resolution of TAG issue
16:01:42 <jjc> <a href="http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#xmlFunctions-34">
16:01:42 <jjc> xmlFunctions-34
16:01:42 <jjc> </a>
16:01:44 <jjc> will provide further
16:01:46 <jjc> clarification and guidance.
16:01:48 <jjc> ]]
16:01:58 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0199.html #faithful-infoset wordsmithing JJC 19 Jun
16:02:17 <briansuda> change that text to something else
16:02:29 <jjc> GRDDL is intended to contribute to addressing Web Architecture issues such as RDFinXHTML-35 and namespaceDocument-8 as well as issues postponed by the RDF Core working group such as rdfms-validating-embedded-rdf and faq-html-compliance.
16:02:59 <briansuda> Jeremy: add something near there, similar to my wordsmithing
16:03:19 <briansuda> David: jeremy's wording would certainly be an improvement
16:03:52 <briansuda> Jeremy: Would like Dan to add something in that section about XML 
16:05:04 <briansuda> David: WG hold so folks can read, or move forward
16:05:37 <briansuda> Jeremy: has suggest words, but Dan is the editor, so he is over text - up to the editor
16:05:57 <briansuda> trusts dan to edit as he sees fit
16:06:49 <dbooth> specifically words to the effect that the "xmlFunctions-34
16:06:50 <dbooth> </a>
16:06:50 <dbooth> will provide further
16:06:50 <dbooth> clarification and guidance"
16:06:51 <DanC> ACTION DanC: work xmlFunctions-34 ref, incl "guidance..." into status section
16:07:07 <jjc> Note: Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 00:33:18 -0400 was when the comemnt was made
16:07:15 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:07:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, jjc, danja (muted), Harry_Halpin
16:07:21 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
16:07:21 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
16:07:25 <rreck> yes 
16:07:42 <briansuda> john: yes
16:07:44 <briansuda> Dan: no
16:07:54 <briansuda> ronald: yes
16:07:56 <briansuda> murry: no
16:07:59 <FabienG> concur
16:08:04 <HarryH> murray: no
16:08:08 <briansuda> jeremy; no
16:08:14 <iand> concur
16:08:14 <briansuda> danny: concur
16:09:27 <briansuda> Harry: can't extend this more than next week
16:09:48 <briansuda> if we cannot reach formal consensus by next week, that is it
16:10:14 <briansuda> david: if one more week is given, then the WG has atiquatly addressed the comment
16:11:05 <briansuda> harry: one normative and test case, there is no actual text. these need to be thought through and flush out by next week
16:11:15 <DanC> (it's always best when specific stuff is available as of when the agenda goes out)
16:12:00 <DanC> (http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.271 has an attempt at the xmlFunctions stuff in the status section )
16:12:05 <briansuda> Harry: without chairs hat, this is just a possible design pattern for GRDDL agents for langs that are not XSLT1
16:12:19 <danja> (that makes sense)
16:12:27 <briansuda> David: to use XProc instead of XSLT
16:12:43 <briansuda> Murry: XProc doesn't actually do what david intends
16:12:47 <dbooth> I only know what i have read in the XProc spec
16:13:22 <briansuda> Harry: informative text to the spec or a note, lang not XSLT1 have potential issues
16:13:33 <jjc> (to DanC)
16:14:27 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:14:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, jjc, danja, Harry_Halpin
16:14:31 <briansuda> abstain
16:15:04 <briansuda> david: part 2, subsetting problem
16:15:11 <DanC> Zakim, mute jjc temporarily
16:15:11 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted
16:15:26 <Zakim> jjc should now be unmuted again
16:15:38 <briansuda> gets GRDDL results, partical results return, but there is no way to know if they got ALL the results intended
16:15:55 <briansuda> leave the door open to a WG note, ...
16:16:01 <dbooth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0199.html
16:16:14 <dbooth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0201.html
16:16:28 <briansuda> ignore the first URL
16:16:31 <danja> (not sure I see the subsetting problem as a problem)
16:16:51 <danja> Zakim, mute me
16:16:51 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
16:17:07 <briansuda> david: involves adding a sentance and add mention about the WG note
16:17:15 <rreck> abstain
16:17:17 <briansuda> abstain
16:17:20 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:17:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, jjc, danja (muted), Harry_Halpin
16:17:26 <briansuda> john: yes
16:17:32 <iand> what is the proposal?
16:17:57 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
16:17:59 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
16:18:00 <jjc> discussion about WG Note about complete GRDDL result?
16:18:08 <briansuda> dan: interesting, but as team contact no cycles to do admin work
16:19:30 <DanC> (a) mentioning the WG in the body of the spec isn't something I like to do as editor
16:19:36 <briansuda> jeremy: is this actually on the agenda.
16:19:55 <DanC> (b) the suggestion under faithful infoset is a testable assertion
16:20:17 <HarryH> HP submission
16:20:28 <briansuda> Harry: this could be an HP submission rather than a Note
16:20:34 <Zakim> -Murray_Maloney
16:20:58 <DanC> (b) the suggestion under faithful infoset is a testable assertion; to add that at this (post-CR) stage suggests adding test cases.
16:20:58 <briansuda> David: is happy to do this as a submission rather than a WG note
16:22:17 <briansuda> Jermey: happy with it to be a note, but does not like the content, against the sentance
16:22:48 <HarryH> ACTION dbooth Send "just that sentence to be added to faithful infoset" over the listserv 
16:23:01 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:23:01 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Standard Transformation Library" taken up
16:23:09 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 7
16:23:09 <Zakim> agendum 7. "#issue-base-param" taken up
16:23:26 <briansuda> Dan: no movement on that action
16:23:34 <dbooth> ACTION: dbooth to Send "just that sentence to be added to faithful infoset" over the listserv
16:23:51 <briansuda> Dan: will get around to it eventually
16:23:58 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0171.html
16:24:51 <jjc> Note this was informative not substantive - it is a fair bit of text ...
16:25:03 <briansuda> John: confident that changes are in, would like a review if possible
16:25:26 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 8
16:25:26 <Zakim> agendum 8. "GRDDL vocabulary and misc spec edits" taken up
16:25:34 <briansuda> Jeremy: Dave Beckett has mentioned it.
16:26:06 <HarryH> ACTION: DanC to incorporate 0054 comments into namespace doc.(consider notifying Dave Beckett)
16:26:12 <briansuda> Harry: comments from Dave Booth...
16:26:23 <HarryH> s/Booth/Beckett
16:26:39 <briansuda> Dan: has made changes, found and issue
16:26:44 <jjc> ACTION: jjc to ask DaveBeckett to look at Base appendix, in response to appropriate comment
16:27:08 <HarryH> ACTION: DanC to incorporate 0054 comments into namespace doc.(consider notifying Dave Beckett) [CONTINUES]
16:27:15 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 9
16:27:15 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Implementation Report, toward PR request" taken up
16:27:45 <DanC> as to how I'm not done on namespace doc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0174.html
16:27:51 <briansuda> Harry: getting close
16:28:05 <HarryH> ACTION: DanC to incorporate 0054 comments into namespace doc.(consider notifying Dave Beckett)
16:28:21 <HarryH> Do we want to include raptor in our PR request?
16:28:29 <briansuda> Dan: yes
16:29:04 <briansuda> Jeremy: we have more tests to approve next week, so abit of a moving target
16:29:35 <briansuda> Dan: w3c online service and ??? are two implementations
16:29:49 <john-l> Jeremy, are you planning on pushing out some new EARL results soon?
16:29:52 <briansuda> Harry: W3C should be kept correct, even if they use other people's code
16:30:03 <jjc> should do before I go on holiday - EARL
16:30:13 <john-l> Excellent.
16:30:17 <briansuda> dan: kingsly and co. open link vertuoso? is second implementation
16:30:32 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to ping Dom to encourage him to move code.
16:30:50 <HarryH> ACTION: Danja to contact Kingsley and try to get GRDDL EARL results
16:30:52 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results based on new EARL results as they come in.
16:30:56 <DanC> danja, if you could wish into your blog about an openlink column in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results , that might do it
16:31:27 <briansuda> Harry: don't want to keep contacting people for EARL for tests we keep adding
16:31:33 <danja> 'k, nice leverage :-)
16:31:36 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to generate new EARL for GRDDL.py.
16:32:13 <briansuda> Jeremy: wants to keep contacting Dave about back and forth about test lib updates
16:32:13 <DanC> (DanC is happy to add tests as they mature)
16:32:46 <briansuda> Dan: approve them today, contigent on John or wait
16:33:06 <briansuda> Harry: can we ask EARL on un-approved tests
16:33:13 <DanC> q+
16:33:22 <HarryH> ack DanC
16:33:35 <briansuda> Dan: edit the master list of tests, when you thiink it is resonable
16:34:08 <briansuda> Harry: this will get us EARL results
16:34:45 <HarryH> ACTION: john-l and chime to update test document to reflect new tests (but not one in response dbooth) asap in order for those results to be in EARL. 
16:35:01 <briansuda> Harry: PR request needs EARL inorder...
16:35:09 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/lc-spec
16:36:52 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH and DanC to write XML Activity Lead and Chair of XSL/XQuery cc SemWeb CG  re quotes
16:37:40 <briansuda> jeremy: need to close the loop on these comments... are you satisfied, yes/no ...
16:37:50 <DanC> on beckett in particular
16:38:03 <jjc> ACTION: jjc close loop with DaveB on 0102
16:38:10 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc review appendix A of test editors draft [DO
16:38:23 <DanC> i.e. [DONE]
16:38:25 <HarryH> ACTION: jjc review appendix A of test editors draft [DONE]
16:38:39 <HarryH> ACTION: DanC to review test coverage results via tabulator [WITHDRAWN]
16:38:43 <briansuda> HArry: results from Tablulator?
16:38:59 <briansuda> Harry: do people feel we are ready for PR?
16:39:19 <HarryH> WBS Survey?
16:39:36 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to write draft PR request
16:39:54 <briansuda> David: other editoray things he has run across - not major issues
16:40:21 <DanC> (thanks, briansuda , for staying late to scribe.)
16:40:26 <HarryH> Meeting adjourned.
16:40:29 <Zakim> -rreck
16:40:37 <Zakim> -dbooth
16:40:39 <Zakim> -danja
16:40:41 <briansuda> AJOURNED
16:40:48 <briansuda> ADJOURNED
16:41:20 <Zakim> -DanC
16:41:34 <briansuda> rrsagent draft minutes
16:42:11 <briansuda> RRSAgent draft minutes
16:42:25 <briansuda> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:42:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-grddl-wg-minutes.html briansuda
16:42:59 <briansuda> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:43:11 <HarryH> \http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/medicalquery.rq
16:43:24 <briansuda> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
16:43:28 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/hl7-sample.rdf
16:43:33 <HarryH> produced from
16:43:38 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/hl7-sample.xml
16:43:45 <briansuda> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:43:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-grddl-wg-minutes.html briansuda
16:44:19 <briansuda> Chair: HarryH
16:44:30 <john-l> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/hl7-sample-grddl.xml
16:44:32 <HarryH> produced from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/hl7-sample-grddl.xml
16:44:32 <briansuda> did we have any regrets today?
16:44:36 <HarryH> Simone
16:44:39 <john-l> Chime
16:44:46 <briansuda> Regrets: Simone,Chime
16:44:57 <briansuda> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:44:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-grddl-wg-minutes.html briansuda
16:45:08 <jjc> <rdfs:Description rdf:about="">
16:46:04 <briansuda> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
16:46:10 <briansuda> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:46:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-grddl-wg-minutes.html briansuda
16:46:26 <jjc>      <rdfs:Description rdf:about=''>
16:46:27 <john-l> Harry, you're still going to press onward with testing the spreadsheet example, right?
16:46:28 <briansuda> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:46:40 <jjc> line 67 of the version of transform in doc29
16:46:47 <HarryH> Yep, will double-check spreadsheet example.
16:46:59 <john-l> Cool; do you need anything else from me?
16:47:05 <HarryH> Nope
16:47:16 <Zakim> -john-l
16:47:39 <jjc> grddl:transformation="../td/hl7-rim-to-pomr.xslt"
16:48:18 <briansuda> Zakim, what confernce?
16:48:19 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, briansuda.
16:48:25 <jjc> grddl:transformation="hl7-rim-to-pomr.xslt"
16:48:58 <Zakim> -FabienG
16:49:28 <FabienG> FabienG has left #grddl-wg
16:49:55 <Zakim> -briansuda
16:50:01 <Zakim> -Harry_Halpin
16:50:08 <HarryH> jjc - sorry gotta catch an airplane!
16:50:16 <briansuda> Zakim, list attendees
16:50:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, danja_, Harry_Halpin, Murray_Maloney, jjc, FabienG, danja
16:50:34 <HarryH> But if there's a mismatch between primer and test directory we should straighten it out and they should both produce the correct RDF, i.e. no rdfs:Description.
16:50:53 <briansuda> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:50:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-grddl-wg-minutes.html briansuda
16:51:14 <briansuda> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:51:18 <briansuda> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:51:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-grddl-wg-minutes.html briansuda
16:51:20 <HarryH> Tell me if you grok what's going on. I'll be busy for the next 3 days but will give everything a good lookover this weekend.
16:51:22 <HarryH> Thanks!
16:51:32 <briansuda> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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16:51:39 <briansuda> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:51:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-grddl-wg-minutes.html briansuda
16:55:02 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, jjc, in SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
16:55:03 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
16:55:05 <Zakim> Attendees were dbooth, briansuda, john-l, DanC, rreck, danja_, Harry_Halpin, Murray_Maloney, jjc, FabienG, danja
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