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12:47:47 <fjh> zakim, this will be xmlsec
12:47:47 <Zakim> ok, fjh; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
12:47:54 <fjh> zakim, what is the code?
12:47:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh
12:48:30 <fjh> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call
12:48:44 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
12:48:57 <fjh> ScribeNick:klanz2
12:49:09 <fjh> RRSAgent, make log public
12:49:42 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0055.html
12:50:06 <fjh> Regrets: Hal Lockhart
12:50:39 <klanz2> TOPIC: 1) Administrivia: scribe confirmation, next meeting
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12:55:16 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
12:55:22 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
12:55:27 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
12:55:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch
12:55:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see sean, tlr, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
12:56:36 <Zakim> +??P6
12:56:38 <klanz2> zakim, ? is klanz2
12:56:38 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
12:56:43 <fjh> Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen
12:57:14 <Zakim> +sean
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12:57:39 <fjh> Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon
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12:58:32 <klanz2> Hello
12:58:45 <fjh> Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas
12:59:19 <Zakim> + +1.613.726.aaaa
12:59:37 <klanz2> zakim, ? is EdS
12:59:37 <Zakim> sorry, klanz2, I do not recognize a party named '?'
12:59:52 <fjh> zakim, +1.613.726.aaaa is EdS
12:59:52 <Zakim> +EdS; got it
12:59:53 <Zakim> +grw
13:00:38 <klanz2> TOPIC: 1a)   Peter Lipp (Konrad Lanz will do if Peter not available) is  scheduled to scribe.
13:00:39 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:00:39 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:00:41 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:00:51 <Zakim> +RobMiller
13:01:02 <klanz2> chair: Konrad is the Scribe
13:01:24 <klanz2> TOPIC: 1b)   Meeting planning
13:01:25 <fjh> Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller
13:01:44 <klanz2> fjh: Teleconference 3 July?
13:01:55 <klanz2> fjh: are there regrets
13:02:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:02:11 <klanz2> Miller: regrets
13:02:12 <tlr> zakim, IPcaller is jcc
13:02:12 <Zakim> +jcc; got it
13:02:19 <klanz2> Sean: regrets
13:02:34 <klanz2> fjh: prefer not to have the call ...
13:02:47 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, sean, EdS, grw, Thomas, RobMiller, jcc
13:03:25 <klanz2> greg whitehead: leave hp, will dropp of some groups
13:03:37 <klanz2> tlr: will there be a successor
13:03:52 <klanz2> greg whitehead: talk to tlr after the call
13:04:18 <klanz2> fjh: proposes to cancel 3rd of July call
13:04:23 <tlr> seconded
13:04:31 <klanz2> RESOLUTION: 3rd of July call cancelled
13:04:49 <klanz2> TOPIC: 2) Review and approval of last meeting's minutes
13:04:52 <fjh> minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-xmlsec-minutes
13:05:06 <klanz2> fjh: revised minutes, re attendence
13:05:19 <klanz2> RESOLUTION: Minutes accepted
13:05:32 <klanz2> TOPIC: 3) Action item review
13:05:46 <klanz2> ACTION-26: continued
13:05:55 <klanz2> ACTION-35: continued
13:06:04 <klanz2>  ACTION-36: closed
13:06:16 <klanz2> Close, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0046.html
13:06:51 <klanz2> ACTION-37: sean will suggest some things
13:07:41 <klanz2> ACTION-38: closed with no Action ...
13:07:49 <klanz2> nothing to add to JCC analysis
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13:08:11 <fjh> Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller, Donald Eastlake
13:08:29 <eastlake> Hi, Sorry but I have to be on another teleconference until 9:30
13:08:44 <klanz2> ACTION-48: closed, comment dropped due to some overseen text
13:08:46 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/39
13:09:13 <tlr> s/39/48/
13:09:34 <fjh>  http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/48
13:10:34 <klanz2> jcc: provide link later in the call
13:10:37 <Zakim> +R_Salz
13:10:56 <fjh> Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller, Donald Eastlake, Rich Salz
13:11:27 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0046.html
13:12:09 <klanz2> jcc: subject should be ACTION-48
13:12:29 <klanz2> tlr: will reopen action-36
13:12:40 <klanz2> jcc: no, action-36 is also closed
13:13:07 <klanz2> tlr: fised up links in tracker
13:13:15 <klanz2> s/fised/fixed/
13:13:22 <klanz2> ACTION-48: closed
13:13:31 <klanz2> ACTION-49:closed
13:13:42 <klanz2> Done see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0028.html
13:14:03 <klanz2>  ACTION-50: open
13:14:13 <klanz2> ACTION-51:closed
13:14:23 <klanz2> Done, see  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0033.html
13:14:35 <fjh> 49 closed with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0028.htm 
13:15:01 <klanz2> TOPIC: 4) Workshop/CFP
13:15:15 <fjh> Announcement on web: http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/
13:15:21 <klanz2> fjh: approved by W3C, updated version availiable
13:15:31 <fjh> cfp http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/cfp.html
13:15:38 <klanz2> fjh: request for position papers
13:15:55 <klanz2> tlr: page not yet public, will be public until tomorrow
13:16:15 <klanz2> tlr: start propaganda in one or two days
13:16:25 <klanz2> fjh: will there be different uri
13:16:36 <klanz2> tlr: access permissions will be changed
13:17:14 <klanz2> tlr: will send explicit message to the list to get propaganda started
13:17:38 <klanz2> TOPIC: 5) Decryption Transform to Last Call
13:17:54 <klanz2> fjh: proposed to publish
13:18:05 <fjh> and also go to Last Call
13:18:35 <klanz2> RESOLUTION: WG agrees to bring Decryption Transform to publication in Last Call
13:18:45 <fjh> s/in/and/
13:18:54 <klanz2> tlr: short names need to be considered ...
13:19:13 <klanz2> tlr: current short name is ...
13:19:30 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlenc-decrypt
13:19:36 <tlr> xmlenc-decrypt11
13:20:06 <klanz2> fjh: should we change the title ...
13:20:17 <fjh> document http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmlenc-decrypt.html
13:20:45 <fjh> no need to change title, editors draft already updated
13:20:50 <klanz2> tlr: proposed xmlenc-decrypt11 as short name
13:21:15 <tlr> RESOLUTION: to ask permission to use xmlenc-decrypt11
13:21:16 <klanz2> RESOLUTION: WG agrees to use xmlenc-decrypt11 as short name for Decryption Transform to publication in Last Call
13:21:46 <tlr> s/RESOLUTION: to ask permission to use xmlenc-decrypt11//
13:21:54 <tlr> tlr: it's actually "ask for permission", but that's ok. ;-)
13:21:57 <klanz2> TOPIC: 6) DSig-Usage note
13:22:59 <klanz2> tlr: is editor, take over from xml core ...
13:23:33 <klanz2> RESOLUTION: WG agrees to ask whether we ask to take over the DSig-Usage note from xml core
13:23:44 <EdS> I agree.
13:23:48 <klanz2> +1
13:24:17 <tlr> s/ WG agrees to ask whether we ask to take over the DSig-Usage note from xml core/WG to ask XML Core to hand over ownership of the dsig-usage note to this working group/
13:24:53 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to ask XML Core chairs for dsig-usage note
13:24:53 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-52 - Ask XML Core chairs for dsig-usage note [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].
13:25:06 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to work toward publication of xmlenc-decrypt11 as Last Call WD
13:25:06 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-53 - Work toward publication of xmlenc-decrypt11 as Last Call WD [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].
13:25:06 <klanz2> TOPIC: 7) Interop testing participation and timing
13:25:38 <klanz2> fjh: questionnaire: C14N11 - 4 yes, timing - early Q3?
13:25:38 <klanz2> DSig Core - 4 yes, early Q3?
13:25:38 <klanz2> Decrypt Transform - 10 No's. No interop?
13:26:23 <klanz2> fjh: is C14N11 possibile in Q3 ...
13:26:25 <sean> late summer would be better, maybe August
13:27:05 <fjh> klanz2: started work on implementation, test cases
13:27:12 <fjh> ... maybe need repository for test cases
13:27:17 <jcc> late August mid September...
13:27:32 <klanz2> klanz2: test cases rather early, cvs repository would be helpful
13:28:10 <klanz2> fjh: feasible to do interop at the same time workshop
13:29:21 <fjh> ACTION: phil to check whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop
13:29:21 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - phil
13:29:36 <klanz2> tlr: do we need to change cfp ?
13:30:20 <klanz2> .. why would this impact the cfp
13:30:44 <klanz2> tlr: proposed to phrase it as part of the workshop
13:31:06 <klanz2> greg whitehead: I thought we would make this after the workshop
13:31:34 <klanz2> fjh: pull as much time out of the workshop as possible, thout it would be after
13:32:04 <fjh> s/pull as much time out of the workshop as possible, thout it would be after/keep a full workshop, add time for WG interop after, in addition to workshop/
13:32:08 <klanz2> check with phb whether we could continue after the workshop at versign with interop
13:32:09 <fjh> not lose workshop time
13:32:55 <klanz2> tlr: one more thing end up doing, put pointers on the home page ...
13:33:29 <klanz2> fjh: we propose additional half day ...
13:33:50 <klanz2> tlr: will have to go to W3C manegerial level ...
13:33:53 <tlr>  ACTION: thomas to check with phill whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop
13:34:13 <klanz2> ACTION: thomas to ask whether we can add time to workshop
13:34:13 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-54 - Ask whether we can add time to workshop [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].
13:34:19 <fjh> change "add time" to "add an additional 1/2 day after workshop"?
13:34:33 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to create questionnaire to check availability on 27 September
13:34:33 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-55 - Create questionnaire to check availability on 27 September [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].
13:35:29 <fjh> change 1/2 day to 1 day
13:35:33 <klanz2> tlr: puts up questionnaire 
13:35:38 <fjh> everyone please respond to questionnaire
13:36:15 <tlr> hello?
13:36:25 <klanz2> TOPIC: 8) XML Signature Revision -  Errata 01
13:36:33 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
13:36:33 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
13:36:34 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:36:36 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:36:36 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:36:38 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:36:42 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data
13:36:47 <tlr> apologies
13:37:09 <klanz2> fjh: red line corrects the first two bullett items
13:38:04 <fjh> "To encode a distinguished name (X509IssuerSerial,X509SubjectName, and KeyName if approriate), the encoding rules in section 2 of RFC 2253 [LDAP-DN] SHOULD be applied, except that the string encoding rules in section 2.4 of RFC 2253 [LDAP-DN] should be  augmented as  
13:38:35 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0051.html
13:39:20 <Zakim> +deastl
13:39:38 <tlr> q+
13:40:33 <fjh> ack tlr
13:40:59 <klanz2> EdS: does it make sense to make rules at all as no implementations
13:41:07 <klanz2> tlr: two set of questions
13:41:34 <klanz2> tlr: current text RFCs 2253 4514 put together boils down to ...
13:42:16 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0033.html
13:42:28 <fjh> comply with grammar and rfc rule + addtl constraints in dsig core
13:42:48 <fjh> s/comply/tlr: comply/
13:42:55 <klanz2> tlr: coply with grammar
13:44:01 <klanz2> tlr: are the additional rules useful or not ...
13:44:15 <klanz2> tlr: proposal as in the editors draft
13:44:34 <klanz2> q+
13:44:38 <EdS> I can only catch about half of what Thomas is saying due to audio issues.
13:44:49 <fjh> http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4515.txt
13:45:19 <tlr> proposal: (1) changes as outlined in message; (2) reference 4515
13:45:23 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
13:45:23 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
13:45:25 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:45:39 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:45:39 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:45:40 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:45:45 <sean> s/4515/4514
13:45:49 <klanz2> fjh: tlr says we cannot rip it out at all
13:46:08 <fjh> since already in REC
13:47:09 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001AprJun/0118.html
13:47:09 <klanz2> > 1. The schema will not prevent people from having leading or trailing
13:47:09 <klanz2> > whitespace in the content of KeyName (and it shouldn't!).  The spec will
13:47:09 <klanz2> > just say that any leading and trailing whitespace MUST be trimmed to obtain
13:47:09 <klanz2> > the actual KeyName.
13:47:10 <klanz2> >
13:47:12 <tlr> q+
13:47:12 <klanz2> > 2. The code will look something like this:
13:47:14 <klanz2> >
13:47:16 <klanz2> >   Node nodeKeyName = XPathAPI.selectNode(doc, "//KeyName/text()");  // get
13:47:18 <klanz2> > the text content of <KeyName>
13:47:20 <klanz2> >   String strNodeKeyName = nodeKeyName.nodeValue();
13:47:22 <klanz2> >   String strKeyName = strNodeKeyName.trim();
13:47:23 <fjh> ack klanz
13:47:24 <klanz2> >   KeyResolver.resolveWithKeyName(strKeyName);
13:47:26 <klanz2> >   
13:48:03 <klanz2> Tom Gindin
13:48:11 <klanz2> Merlin Hughs
13:48:30 <tlr> q?
13:48:38 <fjh> ack tlr
13:49:33 <fjh> is konrad proposal to remove "*Escape any trailing space characters (Unicode \x20) by replacing them with "\20", instead of using the escape sequence "\ ". 
13:49:37 <fjh> ?
13:49:43 <klanz2> Why would someone really care to type a DNAME as follows
13:49:43 <klanz2>   <DName>CN=foo \20
13:49:43 <klanz2>   </DName>
13:49:43 <klanz2> instead of
13:49:43 <klanz2>   <DName>CN=foo \ </DName>
13:51:02 <fjh> tlr: reason for \20 is to protect significant whitespace in XML processing
13:51:22 <klanz2> rich: xml layer
13:51:58 <klanz2> rich: is not necessary
13:52:19 <fjh> Rich: normalizing space was a use case for this that is not being used
13:52:47 <tlr> q+
13:52:53 <fjh> ack tlr
13:53:32 <klanz2> tlr: we should record unecessary feature
13:53:53 <klanz2> q+
13:54:02 <klanz2> tlr: deal in futire iterations
13:54:09 <fjh> s/in/with in
13:54:21 <fjh> s/iterations/iterations since not simply errata
13:55:00 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data
13:56:07 <fjh> q+ fjh where are we at?
13:56:40 <klanz2> fjh: remove in future versions
13:56:51 <EdS> I think the point of this section was robustness -- clearly indicating indicating whether trailing white space that happens to be in a KeyName is significant or not. Some lazy apps may include irrelevant trailing white space that should NOT be treated as relevant by receiving applications. 
13:58:29 <fjh> question - is removal of whitespace escaping a conformance issue if this material is lowercase "should"
13:58:49 <fjh> klanz2: corner case nobody uses, why not remove?
13:59:50 <EdS> I shouldn't have said in my statement above "the point" but rather "one of the points".
14:00:34 <EdS> Let's continue to discuss on the list.
14:01:01 <fjh> rich: in favor of removing \20 processing rule for DNames
14:01:20 <fjh> klanz2: no need for unicode bullets, normal XML processing
14:01:36 <fjh> edS: agrees with klanz2 on no need for unicode or std xml processing points
14:02:02 <fjh> tlr: distinguish creation and receiver processing
14:02:21 <fjh> ... removing might impact receivers that rely on it
14:02:46 <fjh> ... not impact conformance requirement, concern
14:03:40 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001AprJun/0118.html: The spec will
14:03:41 <klanz2> just say that any leading and trailing whitespace MUST be trimmed to obtain
14:03:41 <klanz2> the actual KeyName.
14:04:02 <klanz2> but that never seems to have made it into the spec
14:05:09 <fjh> grw: agrees to remove but not in an errata release, should do in next version
14:05:17 <fjh> ... this is more of an enhancement
14:05:35 <Zakim> -R_Salz
14:06:02 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001AprJun/0118.html
14:07:03 <EdS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2002JanMar/0229.html
14:08:08 <Zakim> -grw
14:08:33 <Zakim> -RobMiller
14:08:35 <Zakim> -jcc
14:08:38 <Zakim> -sean
14:08:40 <Zakim> -deastl
14:08:46 <Zakim> -EdS
14:08:49 <Zakim> -Thomas
14:09:59 <fjh> Zakim, list participants
14:09:59 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, sean, EdS, grw, Thomas, RobMiller, jcc, R_Salz, deastl
14:10:11 <fjh> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:10:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
14:10:45 <klanz2> Zakim, bye
14:10:45 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, sean, EdS, grw, Thomas, RobMiller, jcc, R_Salz, deastl
14:10:45 <Zakim> Zakim has left #xmlsec
14:10:56 <klanz2> RRSAgent, bye
14:10:56 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-actions.rdf :
14:10:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: thomas to ask XML Core chairs for dsig-usage note [1]
14:10:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-24-53
14:10:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: thomas to work toward publication of xmlenc-decrypt11 as Last Call WD [2]
14:10:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-25-06
14:10:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: phil to check whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop [3]
14:10:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-29-21
14:10:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: thomas to check with phill whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop [4]
14:10:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-33-53
14:10:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: thomas to ask whether we can add time to workshop [5]
14:10:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-34-13
14:10:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: thomas to create questionnaire to check availability on 27 September [6]
14:10:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-34-33