IRC log of dawg on 2007-06-19

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-dawg-irc

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14:25:49 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:25:49 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

14:26:30 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access - 19 Jun Agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0084.html

14:26:35 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

14:26:40 [LeeF]

Regrets: Chimezie

14:26:52 [LeeF]

agenda + action items

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agenda + test progress

14:27:16 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:27:18 [LeeF]

agenda + test harness?

14:27:22 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:27:24 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P0 is me

14:27:24 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:29:36 [Zakim]

+??P1

14:29:46 [jeen]

zakim, ??P1 is me

14:29:46 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

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+[IBMCambridge]

14:32:23 [AndyS]

No

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14:32:43 [jeen]

Ping reply from LeeF: 0.18 second(s)

14:32:45 [jeen]

seems fine

14:34:05 [Zakim]

+PatH

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14:34:54 [LeeF]

can you see this?

14:34:56 [patH]

yes

14:35:06 [LeeF]

zakim,, IBMCambridge is me

14:35:06 [Zakim]

I don't understand ', IBMCambridge is me', LeeF

14:35:12 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:35:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AndyS, jeen, [IBMCambridge], PatH

14:35:19 [Zakim]

+Souri_Das

14:35:30 [LeeF]

zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:35:30 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:35:44 [LeeF]

agenda?

14:35:56 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:36:04 [LeeF]

agenda + published docs

14:36:07 [LeeF]

agenda + implementation report

14:36:50 [LeeF]

zakim, choose a scribe

14:36:50 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose jeen

14:37:03 [LeeF]

Scribe: jeen

14:37:29 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0068/2007-06-05-dawg-minutes.html minutes from 5 June

14:38:07 [LeeF]

approved

14:38:10 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:38:38 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0082/2007-06-12-dawg-minutes.html minutes from 12 June

14:38:40 [Souri]

Andy, we have started, but not to that point yet unfortunately. It is high on our agenda. So, we'll get back to you soon ...

14:39:04 [LeeF]

approved

14:39:14 [LeeF]

topic: action items

14:39:16 [patH]

I think all discussion of zippers should be avoided.

14:39:30 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [DONE]

14:40:23 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest.ttl approved, and add rdfs:comments [DONE]

14:40:27 [Zakim]

-EricP

14:40:29 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark optional-filter tests approved [DONE]

14:40:36 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to move OpenWorld tests to data-r2, add comments, mark as approved, add to super manifest [DONE]

14:41:03 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]

14:41:10 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES]

14:41:18 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES]

14:41:26 [LeeF]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]

14:41:36 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES]

14:41:37 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-office

14:41:37 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:41:39 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:41:46 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES]

14:42:12 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2 not yet constructed new overview page

14:42:46 [LeeF]

topic: published docs

14:44:19 [LeeF]

topic: implementation report

14:45:42 [jeen]

LeeF: even if we don't have a fully covering test set I want to see an overview

14:47:03 [jeen]

LeeF: wonders if a useful service would be something that takes a sparql endpoint and fires the test suite against it.

14:49:06 [jeen]

patH: I think this is a really great idea

14:50:03 [jeen]

LeeF: good to know there's interest, let me know if you're interested in workin on this

14:51:00 [LeeF]

-> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-crockford-jsonorg-json-05.txt normative reference from SPARQL JSON results

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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-json-res/ SPARQL results in JSON

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"""

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Encoding considerations:

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The encoding considerations of the SPARQL Query Results JSON Format is identical to those of the "application/json" as specified in [JSON-IETF-DRAFT]

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"""

14:52:48 [LeeF]

topic: tests

14:53:20 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0072.html Andy's algebra tests

14:53:30 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/algebra/ algebra tests

14:57:01 [LeeF]

ExprEquals

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-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/algebra/filter-placement-2.rq filter placement 2

15:01:00 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve the 12 tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/algebra/manifest.ttl

15:01:10 [LeeF]

andys seconds

15:01:23 [LeeF]

resolved

15:01:39 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF mark algebra tests as approved and add rdfs:comments

15:02:12 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/data-2.ttl open world data file

15:02:31 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/open-eq-07.rq open world query

15:03:44 [LeeF]

jeen: Sesame fails parsing the data file because of "xyz"^^xsd:integer

15:03:46 [AndyS]

data: "xyz"^^xsd:integer

15:06:14 [AndyS]

Jeen, what about "003"^^xsd:integer? Does Sesame store "3"?

15:06:17 [LeeF]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0121.html

15:06:31 [ericP]

does dawg:malformedLiteral work for everyone?

15:06:50 [jeen]

AndyS, that depends on parser settings. IIRC it stores the canonical value by default

15:07:35 [ericP]

tests with objects like "xyz"^^xsd:integer are a dawg:illformedLiteral .

15:09:41 [jeen]

LeeF: let's leave it alone for now, perhaps (?) annotate and just see what feedback we get

15:11:46 [LeeF]

ACTION: jeen to annotate http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/manifest.ttl to mark the tests that use data-2.ttl as requiring support for illformed literals

15:11:57 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/OpenWorld/manifest.ttl

15:12:03 [ericP]

(attn jeen)

15:12:04 [patH]

Following usual conventions should be dawg:IllformedLiteral since its a class. Which looks awful in this font.

15:12:13 [ericP]

look for mf:requires

15:12:35 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0086.html on language tag case sensitivity

15:12:38 [jeen]

ok thx eric

15:13:02 [ericP]

i'm not convinces that it should be dawg:IllformedLiteral vs. mf:IllformedLiteral

15:13:10 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/manifest-lang-case-sensitivity.ttl

15:16:07 [jeen]

Jeen: passes 3 out of 4 (fails the first one)

15:17:31 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/*insensitive*

15:18:04 [LeeF]

seconded by various people

15:18:06 [LeeF]

approved

15:18:42 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF remove case-sensitive tests and mark other lang tag case tests as approved

15:19:35 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/manifest.n3

15:22:16 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/query-eq-4.rq

15:25:11 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve the 12 tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/ExprEquals/manifest.n3

15:25:20 [LeeF]

ericp seconds

15:25:45 [LeeF]

resolved, jeen abstaining

15:25:58 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to move ExprEquals tests to new area, mark as approved

15:29:24 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS to take a look at GRAPH and FROM NAMED tests

15:30:30 [LeeF]

ACTION: jeen to look at sorting / ORDER BY tests to move them to data-r2

15:31:11 [LeeF]

adjourned.

15:31:18 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:31:20 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:31:23 [Zakim]

-Souri_Das

15:31:25 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:31:29 [LeeF]

thanks for scribing, jeen

15:31:31 [Zakim]

-jeen

15:31:33 [LeeF]

oops too alte

15:31:34 [LeeF]

late

15:31:38 [LeeF]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:31:38 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-dawg-minutes.html LeeF

15:31:42 [LeeF]

rrsagent, make logs world-access

15:31:46 [Zakim]

-AndyS

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SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were AndyS, jeen, PatH, Souri_Das, LeeF, EricP

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