IRC log of muse on 2007-06-14

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Meeting: Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group Review
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zakim, this will be muse
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ok, RalphS, I see W3C_(MUSE)9:00AM already started
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zakim, who's on the call?
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On the phone I see [CWI]
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zakim, cwi is probably Raphael
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+Raphael?; got it
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zakim, [CWI] is raphael
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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '[CWI]'
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Hi Raphael, we still have a meeting on the other end, just wait a bit...
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zakim, Raphael is really Raphael
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+Raphael; got it
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our staff meeting is running over a minute or two, Raphael
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agenda+ Visibility of this meeting record
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Regrets+ dom
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salut raphael
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zakim, mit531 has Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph
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+Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph; got it
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bonjour marie
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Zakim, is DanC here?
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DanC, I see DanC in another telecon
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zakim, please dial SusanL-BOS
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ok, SusanL; the call is being made
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zakim, please mute me
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SusanL should now be muted
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zakim, call Klaus-sip
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ok, klaus; the call is being made
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zakim, ??P6 is ivan
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+ivan; got it
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zakim, call kazuyuki-617
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ok, kaz; the call is being made
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zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Mauro
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-> Slides for presentation
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Scribe: Mauro
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ScribeNick: mauro
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Raphael Troncy, CWI
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[ Ivan introduces Raphael ]
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-> Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group
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zakim, who's on the call?
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On the phone I see Raphael, Cooper, MIT531, Gerald (muted), DanC, Yves, SusanL (muted), Ted (muted), ivan, Klaus, Kazuyuki (muted), Judy, Ian, Carine
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MIT531 has Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph
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I have been in theater groups that, after a mere weekend of playing together, want to continue as a group forever. I suspect XGs are like that, too ;)
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DanC has changed the topic to:
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Chair: Raphael Troncy
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Chair: Ivan
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Presenter: Raphael Troncy
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Meeting: Project Review W3C Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group
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-> Cover Slide
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q+ to ask which one is Raphael :)
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(which face is Raphael's?)
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Raphael: I am in the center with my hand on my belt
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[slide 2 - MMSem Pointers]
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kudos for using the public mailing list for most of the discussion!
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[slide 3 - MMSem Goals]
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[slide 4 - MMSem Activities]
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[slide 5 - MMSem Deliverables]
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-> Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group Patent Policy Status
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[slide 6 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]
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[slide 7 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]
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[slide 8 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]
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[slide 9 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]
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[slide 10 - Managing Personal Photos]
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[slide 11 - Facetting Music Songs]
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zakim, dial mcf-617
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ok, marie; the call is being made
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zakim, mute mcf
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Mcf should now be muted
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[slide 12 - Bringing NewsML in the Semantic Web]
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[slide 13 - Managing your Web 2.0 Personomy]
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[slide 14 - MPEG-7 and the Semantic Web]
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"It's an ISO standard, making it difficult to us."
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to use.
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[slide 15 - Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web]
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[slide 16 - Multimedia Semantics: Relevant Tools and Resources]
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[slide 17 - Liaison]
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[slide 18 - MMSem Success]
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[slide 19 - MMSem Future]
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Raphael: we hope to submit a new XG charter to W3C in mid-July
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--- questions session---
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... and would like to resume work in September
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Raphael: at the XG we used some old schema
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... and the question is if W3C should publish new ontologies
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... and what we should do with that?
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ack ralph
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Ralph: thanks Raphael for an informative session
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... and have the XG consider publishing a ?
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Raphael: yes, we have
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s/a ?/your ontologies in XG work space/
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-> URIs for W3C Namespaces
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ack dan
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... but we are not sure
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DanC: wich community cares for continuing with this activity?
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ack ralph
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Ralph: the other interesting question is about maintainance
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... and who would do it
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... and I also wonder about the output of the XG
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... what is the challenge for W3C about this output?
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DanC: if the community around the ontology is the XG, then the XG is more than welcome to publish the ontology at /YYYY/MM/blah-blah , per
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Raphael: [mauro didn't get this...]
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Raphael: if we publish an ontology, should we have just the OWL or a document also?
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Raphael: the feeling within the group is not to do follow a Rec track
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q+ to note that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI
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s/to do follow/to follow/
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... we would rather try to see if the existing ones are enough
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... we think they are not
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Ralph: the consensus of both the SemWeb Best Practices WG and the SemWeb Deployment WG, as documented in the Vocabulary Management Working Draft(s) is that both forms -- the machine-readable OWL and the human-readable HTML are desirable
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ack danc
13:47:34 [Zakim]
DanC, you wanted to note that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI
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zakim, EricP just arrived in mit531
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+EricP; got it
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DanC: notes that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI
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Ralph: is useful for the XG to point out what things can be re-used
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... the XG can publish its work, new ontologies
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q+ to ask about the "OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested to publish the OWL version?
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... but what part of the community interested would like to see the REC stamp on it?
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Raphael: we wondered also abut that within the grouyp
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... about the formality, I am not sure they understand the subleties of W3C process
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... currently we don't need go to the formality of a WG
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ack danc
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DanC, you wanted to ask about the "OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested
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... to publish the OWL version?
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I note that Raphael just uttered one of the things we are concerned about: no distinction between TR and xG report
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Raphael: IPTC pretty much happy with things being published somewhere on
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s/need go/need to go/
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... DIG35 not sure what level of formality we might need
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DanC: [Mauro missed the question]
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danc: do we have the right for derivative work (related to mpeg-7)
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Raphael: yes we have rights to do derivative work
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... I am not sure if we can publish this ontology, I need to check on that
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Raphael: we made an official liaison with ISO and they're commenting on our work
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DanC: is either of those organizations interested on publishing the OWL?
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Raphael: ISO not interested in publishing OWL
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International Imaging Industry Association (I3A)
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Ivan: who is in discussions with them?
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... not sure if I3A is interested, but they're OK with W3C publishing when an agreement is signed
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Raphael: Daniel is involved on it
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Raphael: our other question is how to get more industry involvement in follow-on work
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(which row in ? a text search for "multimedia" fails)
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search for Raphael :-)
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(ah... )
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Ivan: my initial reaction is that you should try to identify those members that would like to be involve, and they contact their AC Rep
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ack ian
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... I would be happy to do such contacts
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yes DanC
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Raphael: ok
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Ian: we've discussed the potential of confusion between different kinds of TRs; in particular RECs and XG reports
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Raphael: yes, sometimes
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... is it the case that [some of the liaisons] really don't care about the difference?
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Raphael: they don't seem to care
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(just in case :)
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ack kaz
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Raphael: to participate in the group was a great experience, time consuming but great
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Kaz: thanks for a good presentation, sorry to be late, but I was in another meeting
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... we would like to collaborate
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[Mauro not sure which group Kaz was referring to]
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... Multi-Modal Interactionn WG
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Raphael: that would be great
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Ivan: when do you plan to finally publish all the documents?
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s/sorry to be late/it was a pity I couldn't see the presentation at WWW2007/
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(public page is
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Raphael: next week we will send it
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s/but I was in another meeting/I attended W3C Track/
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Yes we will be happy to make the publication news.
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Ivan: can you provide us with a paragraph for the publication?
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... SusanL will then *polish* it
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Raphael: yes, will do
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IanJ: is it ok to set expectation for next steps on that publication?
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leave open public list
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close member list
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... what happen with mailing lists, for example?
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close xg at the same time as publication
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leave wiki open
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also, please draft an email for the ac with expectations about next steps
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Raphael: yes, the public mailing list open, member list closed, wiki open, the reference to the XG dissapears
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s/Multi-Modal Interactionn WG/Multimodal Interaction WG which develops MMI Architecture etc./
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Visibility of this meeting record" taken up [from RalphS]
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ack ralph
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+1 public record
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Ralph: I would like to make the records public
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Ivan: +1
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... so they will be made public
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Ralph: please Raphael go back and check them
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+1 thanks Raphael!
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rrsagent, please make record public
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Ivan: thanks Raphael for his presentation
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ACTION: Raphael review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other organizations
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rrsagent, pointer?
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zakim, drop me
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Ivan: thanks everybody
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Klaus is being disconnected
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W3C_(MUSE)9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Raphael?, Raphael, Cooper, Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph, Gerald, DanC, Yves, SusanL, Ted, Klaus, ivan, Kazuyuki, Judy, Ian, Carine, Liam, Richard, Mcf, EricP
14:10:02 [mauro]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mauro
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please delete.
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it's not fatal, but since you asked. :)
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ok :)
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: Raphael review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other organizations [1]
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