IRC log of muse on 2007-06-14

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Meeting: Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group Review

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zakim, this will be muse

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ok, RalphS, I see W3C_(MUSE)9:00AM already started

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zakim, who's on the call?

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On the phone I see [CWI]

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zakim, cwi is probably Raphael

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+Raphael?; got it

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zakim, [CWI] is raphael

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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '[CWI]'

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oups

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Hi Raphael, we still have a meeting on the other end, just wait a bit...

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zakim, Raphael is really Raphael

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+Raphael; got it

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our staff meeting is running over a minute or two, Raphael

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agenda+ Visibility of this meeting record

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-Raphael

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+Raphael

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+Cooper

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+MIT531

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Regrets+ dom

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salut raphael

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zakim, mit531 has Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph

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+Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph; got it

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bonjour marie

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Zakim, is DanC here?

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DanC, I see DanC in another telecon

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+Gerald

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+DanC

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+Yves

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zakim, please dial SusanL-BOS

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ok, SusanL; the call is being made

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+SusanL

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zakim, please mute me

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+Ted

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SusanL should now be muted

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-Gerald

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zakim, call Klaus-sip

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ok, klaus; the call is being made

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+Klaus

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+Gerald

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+??P6

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-DanC

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zakim, ??P6 is ivan

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+ivan; got it

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+DanC

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zakim, call kazuyuki-617

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ok, kaz; the call is being made

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+Kazuyuki

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+Judy

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+Ian

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brb

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zakim, pick a victim

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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Mauro

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/ Slides for presentation

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Scribe: Mauro

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ScribeNick: mauro

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Raphael Troncy, CWI

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+Carine

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[ Ivan introduces Raphael ]

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/ Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group

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zakim, who's on the call?

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On the phone I see Raphael, Cooper, MIT531, Gerald (muted), DanC, Yves, SusanL (muted), Ted (muted), ivan, Klaus, Kazuyuki (muted), Judy, Ian, Carine

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MIT531 has Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph

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I have been in theater groups that, after a mere weekend of playing together, want to continue as a group forever. I suspect XGs are like that, too ;)

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DanC has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/

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Chair: Raphael Troncy

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Chair: Ivan

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Presenter: Raphael Troncy

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Meeting: Project Review W3C Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/ Cover Slide

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q+ to ask which one is Raphael :)

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(which face is Raphael's?)

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Raphael: I am in the center with my hand on my belt

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[slide 2 - MMSem Pointers]

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kudos for using the public mailing list for most of the discussion!

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[slide 3 - MMSem Goals]

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[slide 4 - MMSem Activities]

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+Liam

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[slide 5 - MMSem Deliverables]

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-> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/39139/status Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group Patent Policy Status

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[slide 6 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]

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[slide 7 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]

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[slide 8 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]

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[slide 9 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]

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[slide 10 - Managing Personal Photos]

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+Richard

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[slide 11 - Facetting Music Songs]

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-Judy

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zakim, dial mcf-617

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ok, marie; the call is being made

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+Mcf

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zakim, mute mcf

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Mcf should now be muted

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[slide 12 - Bringing NewsML in the Semantic Web]

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[slide 13 - Managing your Web 2.0 Personomy]

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[slide 14 - MPEG-7 and the Semantic Web]

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"It's an ISO standard, making it difficult to us."

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to use.

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s/us./use./

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[slide 15 - Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web]

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[slide 16 - Multimedia Semantics: Relevant Tools and Resources]

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[slide 17 - Liaison]

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[slide 18 - MMSem Success]

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[slide 19 - MMSem Future]

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q?

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Raphael: we hope to submit a new XG charter to W3C in mid-July

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q?

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--- questions session---

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... and would like to resume work in September

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Raphael: at the XG we used some old schema

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... and the question is if W3C should publish new ontologies

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... and what we should do with that?

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q+

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q+

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ack ralph

13:42:13 [mauro]

Ralph: thanks Raphael for an informative session

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... and have the XG consider publishing a ?

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Raphael: yes, we have

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s/a ?/your ontologies in XG work space/

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri URIs for W3C Namespaces

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ack dan

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q+

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... but we are not sure

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DanC: wich community cares for continuing with this activity?

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ack ralph

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Ralph: the other interesting question is about maintainance

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... and who would do it

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... and I also wonder about the output of the XG

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... what is the challenge for W3C about this output?

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DanC: if the community around the ontology is the XG, then the XG is more than welcome to publish the ontology at /YYYY/MM/blah-blah , per http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri

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Raphael: [mauro didn't get this...]

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+1

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Raphael: if we publish an ontology, should we have just the OWL or a document also?

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Raphael: the feeling within the group is not to do follow a Rec track

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q+ to note that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI

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s/to do follow/to follow/

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... we would rather try to see if the existing ones are enough

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... we think they are not

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Ralph: the consensus of both the SemWeb Best Practices WG and the SemWeb Deployment WG, as documented in the Vocabulary Management Working Draft(s) is that both forms -- the machine-readable OWL and the human-readable HTML are desirable

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ack danc

13:47:34 [Zakim]

DanC, you wanted to note that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI

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zakim, EricP just arrived in mit531

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+EricP; got it

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DanC: notes that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI

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Ralph: is useful for the XG to point out what things can be re-used

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... the XG can publish its work, new ontologies

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q+ to ask about the "OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested to publish the OWL version?

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... but what part of the community interested would like to see the REC stamp on it?

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Raphael: we wondered also abut that within the grouyp

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s/grouyp/group/

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... about the formality, I am not sure they understand the subleties of W3C process

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... currently we don't need go to the formality of a WG

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ack danc

13:51:46 [Zakim]

DanC, you wanted to ask about the "OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested

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... to publish the OWL version?

13:51:53 [IanJ]

I note that Raphael just uttered one of the things we are concerned about: no distinction between TR and xG report

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Raphael: IPTC pretty much happy with things being published somewhere on w3.org

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s/need go/need to go/

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... DIG35 not sure what level of formality we might need

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DanC: [Mauro missed the question]

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danc: do we have the right for derivative work (related to mpeg-7)

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Raphael: yes we have rights to do derivative work

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... I am not sure if we can publish this ontology, I need to check on that

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Raphael: we made an official liaison with ISO and they're commenting on our work

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DanC: is either of those organizations interested on publishing the OWL?

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I3A

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Raphael: ISO not interested in publishing OWL

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International Imaging Industry Association (I3A)

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Ivan: who is in discussions with them?

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... not sure if I3A is interested, but they're OK with W3C publishing when an agreement is signed

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Raphael: Daniel is involved on it

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q?

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q+

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http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison

13:56:13 [RalphS]

Raphael: our other question is how to get more industry involvement in follow-on work

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(which row in http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison ? a text search for "multimedia" fails)

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search for Raphael :-)

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(ah... http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison#I3A )

13:57:19 [mauro]

Ivan: my initial reaction is that you should try to identify those members that would like to be involve, and they contact their AC Rep

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q+

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ack ian

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... I would be happy to do such contacts

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yes DanC

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Raphael: ok

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Ian: we've discussed the potential of confusion between different kinds of TRs; in particular RECs and XG reports

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Raphael: yes, sometimes

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... is it the case that [some of the liaisons] really don't care about the difference?

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Raphael: they don't seem to care

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s/Ralphael/Raphael/G

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(just in case :)

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ack kaz

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Raphael: to participate in the group was a great experience, time consuming but great

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Kaz: thanks for a good presentation, sorry to be late, but I was in another meeting

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... we would like to collaborate

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[Mauro not sure which group Kaz was referring to]

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... Multi-Modal Interactionn WG

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q?

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Raphael: that would be great

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http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/

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Ivan: when do you plan to finally publish all the documents?

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http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/

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s/sorry to be late/it was a pity I couldn't see the presentation at WWW2007/

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(public page is http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/)

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Raphael: next week we will send it

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s/but I was in another meeting/I attended W3C Track/

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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/about.html

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Yes we will be happy to make the publication news.

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-Kazuyuki

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Ivan: can you provide us with a paragraph for the publication?

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... SusanL will then *polish* it

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Raphael: yes, will do

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IanJ: is it ok to set expectation for next steps on that publication?

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leave open public list

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close member list

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... what happen with mailing lists, for example?

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close xg at the same time as publication

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leave wiki open

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also, please draft an email for the ac with expectations about next steps

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Raphael: yes, the public mailing list open, member list closed, wiki open, the reference to the XG dissapears

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s/Multi-Modal Interactionn WG/Multimodal Interaction WG which develops MMI Architecture etc./

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q+

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "Visibility of this meeting record" taken up [from RalphS]

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ack ralph

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+1 public record

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Ralph: I would like to make the records public

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Ivan: +1

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... so they will be made public

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Ralph: please Raphael go back and check them

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+1 thanks Raphael!

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rrsagent, please make record public

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Ivan: thanks Raphael for his presentation

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ACTION: Raphael review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other organizations

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-DanC

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raphael.troncy@cwi.nl

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rrsagent, pointer?

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-irc#T14-08-59

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-Yves

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-Cooper

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-Carine

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-Ted

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zakim, drop me

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Ivan: thanks everybody

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Klaus is being disconnected

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-Klaus

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-Ian

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-Raphael

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-ivan

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-Richard

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MEETING ADJOURNED

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-Mcf

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-Gerald

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-SusanL

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-MIT531

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-Liam

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W3C_(MUSE)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Raphael?, Raphael, Cooper, Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph, Gerald, DanC, Yves, SusanL, Ted, Klaus, ivan, Kazuyuki, Judy, Ian, Carine, Liam, Richard, Mcf, EricP

14:10:02 [mauro]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:10:02 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html mauro

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please delete.

14:17:13 [IanJ]

it's not fatal, but since you asked. :)

14:17:19 [RalphS]

ok :)

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Raphael review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other organizations [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-irc#T14-08-41