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13:57:22 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
13:57:37 <Steven> zakim, this will be html
13:57:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:54 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG teleconference
13:58:09 <Steven> zakim, code?
13:58:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
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13:58:48 <Steven> SOrry, I'm at a Forms FtF and not able to join by phone
13:58:59 <ShaneM>  zakim, aaaa is ShaneM
13:58:59 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
13:59:04 <Steven> Hmm
13:59:12 <Steven> I don't think Mark is joining by phone either
13:59:16 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmiata
13:59:20 <Zakim> -ShaneM
13:59:21 <Zakim> +ShaneM
13:59:33 <ShaneM>  we might want to take a week off...
13:59:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:00:05 <alessio> zakim, IPcaller is alessio
14:00:05 <Zakim> +alessio; got it
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14:02:22 <oedipus> reviewed latest draft of RFDa - excellent - should be required reading for the HTML WG!
14:02:32 <ShaneM>  rotfl
14:03:18 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:04:02 <Steven> Thanks Oedipus
14:04:09 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
14:04:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmiata, alessio, [IBM]
14:04:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rich, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, Tina, markbirbeck, Steven, krijnh, ShaneM
14:04:19 <oedipus> s/RFD w/RDF
14:05:01 <ShaneM>  regrets from Yam.  Partial regrets from Tina, Mark, and Steven
14:05:11 <markbirbeck> Hi everyone...I'm Skyped into the XForms FtF, so can't attend.
14:05:20 <markbirbeck> I regret nothing.
14:05:26 <alessio> hi mark
14:05:32 <markbirbeck> hi
14:05:42 <markbirbeck> (Not even partially.)
14:05:52 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Role modules
14:06:58 <ShaneM>  Oops...
14:07:02 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: RDFa Oveview
14:07:05 <ShaneM>  Gregory likes it
14:07:29 <ShaneM>  Shane wants it in the XHTML 2 Working group publication system.
14:08:08 <oedipus> gregory would like to be able to point to it as required reading on HTML WG wiki
14:08:55 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Access Module
14:09:22 <Steven> I will talk to Ben about his position in integrating it into our system
14:09:29 <Steven> he is one of the editors, and it is in XML Spec
14:09:32 <ShaneM>  Rich wants to know if we should add an attribute to access that defines the event to be triggered... where the default would be focus
14:09:35 <Steven> so it would mena a change for him
14:11:10 <ShaneM>  Gregory points out issues with accessibility and event triggering....
14:13:22 <ShaneM>  Shane mentioned that we tend to avoid talking about processing model at this level.  But thinks it is a good idea.
14:14:38 <ShaneM>  Shane asks if Gregory has a concrete proposal?  Not quite yet.  It is a question of bidirectionality of the event model.
14:16:02 <ShaneM>  Need a way to support enqueueing an event that may percolate into the operating system backplane, as opposed to only working in the context of the application.
14:17:22 <ShaneM>  webbie.org.uk has a suite of tools that are accessible; might be a good example to look at?
14:20:21 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Gregory to put together a proposal for how to connect the access module into the event model.
14:21:46 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane to investigate a wiki space for XHTML 2 working group
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14:23:38 <oedipus> latest version of Embedding State and Properties Roles in HTML: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/
14:24:01 <oedipus> editor's latest draft of Embedding State and Properties: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/embedding-20061212.html
14:25:59 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Access Module
14:26:25 <ShaneM>  (still)
14:26:35 <ShaneM>  Rich would like to have XML Events tied to it.  I think that is icing on the cake.
14:26:50 <ShaneM>  Default is to give something focus.  Do we want to have the option of activating the target.
14:27:51 <ShaneM>  Originally the model was if you want to do that you would use an xml events attribute to indicate that.  Since we are not requiring 
14:27:52 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-access-20070606/
14:29:42 <Zakim> -alessio
14:30:06 <ShaneM>  Rich asked if there was a way to describe the element.  @title seems to be the way.
14:30:36 <alessio> i agree
14:31:05 <Zakim> +??P3
14:31:18 <alessio> zakim, ??P3 is alessio
14:31:18 <Zakim> +alessio; got it
14:31:19 <ShaneM>  Shane thinks we should be able to fire any event when an accessor is selected.
14:33:48 <ShaneM>  HTML4 problem is that we dont know what the key was going to do at all.
14:34:57 <ShaneM>  Sometimes a document author wants to create an accelerator....
14:35:08 <ShaneM>  Sometimes this stuff is really about enabling assistive technologies.
14:35:32 <ShaneM>  What we say now is: The Character assigned to a key, and its relationship to a role or id attribute, are a suggestion of the author. User agents may provide mechanisms for overriding, disabling, or re-assigning keys. In such user agents, user-specified assignments must take precendence.
14:36:03 <ShaneM>  We probably want to say something similar about what event fires.
14:37:00 <ShaneM>  We need to look at the list of potential events...
14:38:28 <ShaneM>  Agreed that we are going to allow the firing of essentially any DOM event.  Some may not make sense. 
14:43:19 <ShaneM>  Need some concept of "hang fire" so that the user agent can suspend and offer options to the user.
14:44:32 <ShaneM>  Is there a way to introduce / permit the document author or AT to specify an intermediary step.
14:44:39 <ShaneM>  Rich points out that xml events deals with this.
14:45:10 <ShaneM>  requiring xml events will impede adoption.  
14:45:38 <Tina> Can XML's method of dealing with it be used directly?
14:46:15 <ShaneM>  Rich would like to put a shortcut in there...  the same way we have done for a keybinding. 
14:47:42 <ShaneM>  Shane proposes that we call the attribute "raise".  Or "trigger"
14:47:54 <ShaneM>  Only include the discrete events that do not require coordinates...  
14:48:28 <ShaneM>  If you really want to have full support, use XML Events.  say that in the spec.
14:48:35 <ShaneM>  No objections.
14:48:44 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane to update access module draft to include new attribute and text.
14:49:10 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Role Attribute Modules
14:49:17 <ShaneM>  Rich sent in comments.  No one else has.
14:49:25 <ShaneM>  Everyone was very quiet - it must be perfect.
14:50:11 <ShaneM>  Out of things to discuss without Mark and Steven...
14:50:23 <oedipus> like the fact that the example in section 3 uses accessibility markup!
14:50:40 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Vote on last call for Role and Access next week.
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14:51:02 <Zakim> -[IBM]
14:51:03 <Zakim> -alessio
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14:51:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmiata, alessio, [IBM]
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14:52:23 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:59:44 <Steven> Chair: Shane
19:59:51 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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20:00:33 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0008
20:00:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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20:01:27 <Steven> Present+Steven
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20:01:56 <Steven> regrets: Yam
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20:02:41 <Steven> present+Tina
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