16:03:50 RRSAgent has joined #ws-policy 16:03:50 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc 16:03:59 yes 16:04:05 just invited rrsagent 16:04:10 setting up the call 16:04:21 zakim, unmute me 16:04:21 toufic should no longer be muted 16:04:37 +Ashok_Malhotra 16:05:00 zakim, this will be ws_policy 16:05:00 ok, toufic, I see WS_Policy()12:00PM already started 16:05:13 scribe: toufic 16:05:20 PaulC has joined #ws-policy 16:05:42 Meeting: WS-Policy Teleconference 16:05:50 zakim, mute me 16:05:53 toufic should now be muted 16:06:01 that's why i was muted before :) 16:06:10 ok 16:06:15 don't know the command Paul 16:06:18 let me look it up 16:06:18 zakim, who is here? 16:06:18 On the phone I see Fabian, ??P16, Yakov_Sverdlov, Sergey_Beryozkin, m2, Mark_Little, toufic (muted), Abbie_Barbir, asir, Prasad_Yendluri, Frederick_Hirsch, Tom_Rutt, Maryann_Hondo, 16:06:21 ... Ashok_Malhotra 16:06:22 asir has paul 16:06:24 On IRC I see PaulC, RRSAgent, TRutt__, prasad, monica, abbie, Yakov, SergeyB, Zakim, asir, Fabian, Ashok, toufic, dmoberg, maryann_, trackbot 16:06:24 ok sorry, thanks prasad 16:06:29 ScribeNick: toufic 16:06:29 Meeting: WS-Policy WG Conference Call 16:06:29 Chair: Paul Cotton 16:06:32 probably dmoberg 16:06:43 over voip phone from brussels 16:06:47 Chair: Paul Cotton 16:06:49 -Mark_Little 16:06:52 8% noise? Must be static on the line, my phone is muted here 16:07:04 zakim, mute me 16:07:04 Fabian should now be muted 16:07:05 mlittle has joined #ws-policy 16:07:16 Frederick (Nokia) is also present. 16:07:42 Did the line just die for everyone, or just me? 16:07:52 i'm here 16:07:53 just nobody speaking :-) 16:07:58 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0037.html 16:08:11 I'll dial back in ;-) 16:08:23 Jun 6 minutes approved. 16:08:25 June 6 minutes approved unanimously 16:08:47 +[Microsoft] 16:08:58 danroth has joined #ws-policy 16:09:01 +Mark_Little 16:09:20 paul: objective is to close CR issues 16:09:43 paul: june 27 WG will make decision on advancing framework and attachment to PR 16:10:19 paul: July 2 co-chairs scheduled to talk to directors 16:10:40 TOPIC: Editors team report 16:10:53 asir reporting for editors 16:10:53 1. Editorial team plans to deliver the candidate PR drafts next week (June 19th) and to deliver the updated Primer and Guidelines drafts in time (July 10th) for the Dublin F2F: 16:10:54 a) June 15th – Complete all check-ins that are related to the Framework and Attachment drafts 16:10:54 b) June 18th – Candidate PR drafts are ready for delivery 16:10:54 c) June 19th – Deliver candidate PR drafts (Dave O will do the honors 16:10:54 d) July 5th – Complete all check-ins that are related to the Primer and Guidelines drafts 16:10:55 e) July 9th – Primer and Guidelines drafts are ready for delivery 16:10:57 f) July 10th – Deliver updated Primer and Guidelines drafts (just in time for the Dublin F2F 16:10:59 2. We delivered the updated scenarios, release 3. This version includes all the scenario related editorial actions assigned at the Ottawa F2F. 16:12:37 TOPIC: Review action items 16:12:40 Open action items: 16:12:41 ACTION-300 Paul Cotton to make sure that the additional suggestions are not lost for the non-normative docs related to issue 4554 16:12:55 ACTION-304 Chris Ferris to look at sections 5.5.1 and 5.5.2 and suggest additional text 16:13:13 ACTION-306 Chris Ferris to review BP 23 and associated text, Section 5.7. 16:13:30 ACTION-312 Toufic to propose a different wording for Good Practice G2 [Bug 4566] 16:14:22 Paul will update the list of actions with the info in the V2 agenda. 16:14:24 paul to update the list of actions with the info in the agenda 16:14:26 oops! :) 16:14:52 TOPIC: WS-Policy Call for Implementations 16:15:44 paul: dashboard summary indicates we have passed our CR criteria 16:15:46 applaus 16:15:53 s/aus/ause/ 16:16:31 ACTION: asir to clean up dashboard summary, esp the cells indicating zero of zero 16:16:31 Created ACTION-314 - Clean up dashboard summary, esp the cells indicating zero of zero [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2007-06-20]. 16:16:54 paul: ones not to be touched are UDDI cells 16:17:07 Paul: Leave HP ones for UDDI 0/0 as they supplied the server (only) 16:17:07 TOPIC: Bugzilla list for CR interop 16:17:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0025.html 16:18:07 paul: IBM has indicated that they can supply results for lax intersection 16:18:14 np prasad 16:18:21 any additional input helps 16:19:19 ACTION: maryann to follow up on lax intersection testing comments 16:19:19 Created ACTION-315 - Follow up on lax intersection testing comments [on Maryann Hondo - due 2007-06-20]. 16:19:53 paul: want to make sure WG agrees additional tests do not interfere 16:20:13 paul: need two companies to indicate that they have successfully used them 16:20:23 paul: any objections to least resistance path? 16:20:44 should i take AI paul? 16:20:53 zakim, unmute me 16:20:53 toufic should no longer be muted 16:21:09 zakim, mute me 16:21:09 toufic should now be muted 16:21:25 zakim, [mi is dan 16:21:25 +dan; got it 16:22:10 TOPIC: Liaison issues 16:22:14 -Mark_Little 16:22:26 paul and chris continue to work with Bob on wsa issues 16:23:05 TOPIC: CR issues list 16:23:07 http://tinyurl.com/yp9wp6 16:23:45 TOPIC: Item 4598 16:23:50 ACTION-311 Chris to follow with David Hull re issue 4598 is moot. 16:23:57 thanks paul :) 16:24:01 that's perfectly fine 16:24:10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0030.html 16:24:27 +Dave_Orchard 16:25:00 David O is present. 16:26:40 unanimous consent to resolve issue 4598 16:27:02 sorry, trying to 16:27:25 rrsagent, where am I? 16:27:25 See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-27-25 16:27:52 + +1.415.402.aaaa 16:28:08 toufic has joined #ws-policy 16:28:15 RESOLUTION: The WG adopted the two part change in 2007Jun/0030.html to resolve issue 4598. 16:28:22 sorry, back 16:28:25 zakim, unmute me 16:28:25 toufic should no longer be muted 16:28:40 zakim, mute me 16:28:40 toufic should now be muted 16:28:51 [Bug 4561] clarification of domain-specific processing, Chris 16:29:06 ACTION 308: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0024.html 16:29:16 oops 16:29:26 SymonC has joined #ws-policy 16:29:42 rrsagent, please drop action 3 16:30:30 asir: two changes - section 4.5 to framework 16:31:09 q+ 16:31:10 -m2 16:31:16 i think there was a comment to the list 16:31:36 Mechanisms for determining assertion parameter compatibility are not part of this domain-independent policy intersection algorithm. 16:31:46 q+ 16:32:24 maryann: changing "the" to "this" 16:32:34 asir: sounds ok 16:32:44 ack ma 16:32:56 ack tr 16:32:58 tom: no default algorithms? 16:33:00 asir: no 16:33:13 have a comment but having trouble reconnecting to call 16:33:51 zakim, unmute me 16:33:52 toufic should no longer be muted 16:34:31 zakim, mute me 16:34:31 toufic should now be muted 16:34:42 monica, if you have a comment, could you please type it in? 16:34:54 zakim, unmute me 16:34:54 Fabian should no longer be muted 16:34:54 need an example 16:35:05 +m2 16:36:13 zakim, who is making noise? 16:36:23 Fabian, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Fabian (39%), asir (98%), Maryann_Hondo (38%) 16:36:35 yes 16:36:38 zakim, mute me 16:36:38 Fabian should now be muted 16:37:07 RESOLUTION: issue 4561 resolved by adoption of changes proposed in 2007Jun/0024 with minor editorial change by maryann 16:37:23 rrsagent, where am i? 16:37:23 See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-37-23 16:37:39 already done, paul 16:37:57 dorchard has joined #ws-policy 16:38:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0032.html 16:38:38 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0034.html 16:39:21 ashok: between 0032 and 0034, changes are agreed to 16:40:10 -Frederick_Hirsch 16:41:44 RESOLUTION: issue 4583 resolved by adopting combined proposals of 2007Jun/0032 and 2007Jun/0034 16:41:52 rrsagent, where am i? 16:41:52 See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-41-52 16:41:53 :) 16:42:54 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 16:44:14 paul: wondering if this needs to be open, since no editorial actions 16:44:31 paul: one option is to leave it open until june 27 16:44:43 paul: and deal with it possibly as a PR item 16:45:03 -Fabian 16:45:10 paul: other way around is to close now, and make subsequent changes as PR editing, which is not unheard of 16:45:12 q+ 16:45:16 zakim, ??P16 is Fabian 16:45:16 +Fabian; got it 16:45:21 dmoberg has left #ws-policy 16:46:04 daveo: might be better to keep it open because may be an item we have to do something about 16:46:11 daveO: but can live with it being closed 16:46:16 We can create a Tickler Editors Action 16:46:33 paul: prefer to close it and keep issues list clean 16:46:42 paul: chair recommends we mark this fixed 16:47:01 RESOLUTION: issue 4374 closed 16:47:06 rrsagent, where am i 16:47:06 I'm logging. I don't understand 'where am i', toufic. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:47:12 Paul, what is action to keep a tab on this? 16:47:13 rrsagent, where am i? 16:47:13 See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-47-13 16:49:13 CR issues: http://tinyurl.com/22xybz 16:49:23 RESOLUTION: issue 4583 resolved by adopting combined proposals of 2007Jun/0032 and 2007Jun/0034 16:49:23 rrsagent, where am i? 16:49:23 See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-41-52 16:49:28 reports: Zarro Boogs found. 16:49:39 :) 16:49:45 paul: congrats to WG 16:50:20 paul: ball in editors court 16:50:41 paul: expect to see on agenda next week a candidate PR draft for review 16:50:59 paul: that will give a week to prepare for vote on June 27 16:52:16 paul: want to check what people think status of primer is 16:52:59 +1 to monica 16:53:03 paul: WG invited to review primer 16:53:12 there might be allignment issues between primer and guidelines 16:53:23 monica: there might be issues we're discussing that might cause changes to primer 16:54:31 ok won't take that in the minutes then 16:55:27 q+ 16:55:56 paul: July 10 is release date for editors 16:56:05 [Bug 3988]: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion., Asir 16:56:07 paul: wait for dublin F2F 16:56:14 :) 16:56:29 zakim, unmute me 16:56:29 toufic should no longer be muted 16:56:33 [Bug 4566]: Guideline G2 to be reconsidered, Toufic 16:56:42 ACTION-312 Toufic to propose a different wording for Good Practice G2 [Bug 4566] 16:56:46 to be done later this week. 16:56:53 zakim, umute me 16:56:53 I don't understand 'umute me', toufic 16:56:56 zakim, mute me 16:56:56 toufic should now be muted 16:57:31 [Bug 3978]: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth 16:57:55 AI-313 Maryann to review latest Primer and Guidelines with regards to her four points related to [Bug 3978] 16:58:05 maryann: i can walk through the proposal in the document 16:58:08 q+ 16:58:10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0033.html 16:58:25 q- 16:58:26 ack do 16:58:39 q+ 16:58:59 paul: asks maryann to step us through 16:59:14 maryann: contains several different bug and AIs 16:59:46 maruann steps through 2007Jun/0033 16:59:53 s/maru/mary/ 17:01:58 - +1.415.402.aaaa 17:03:05 q+ 17:05:06 still here 17:05:14 sorry 17:07:44 ack maryann 17:12:13 ack prasad 17:14:13 prasad, sorry i couldn't catch everything you said, could you please type your comments in irc? 17:14:23 ack monica 17:14:53 q+ 17:14:58 monica: made some changes related to nested policy expressions in 5.4.2 17:15:36 ack do 17:15:48 daveO: supports the changes 17:16:55 ack asir 17:16:55 daveO: should be more general - e.g. instead of "using XML", should say "human readable and machine processable" 17:17:29 asir: after snapshot, editorial team made about a dozen changes 17:17:35 asir: sees collisions 17:17:54 asir: notice that sub-categories are being created for best practices 17:18:01 asir: made for xslt 17:18:16 asir: e.g. in document sent over by maryann 17:19:12 maryann: best practices are just listed as random, not categorized 17:19:59 maryann: questioning whether that was the right decision 17:20:05 (1) The Guidelines Doc that was base for Maryann's change was Version dated May 24. The current one is dated 06/01 and has more than 10 AIs from F2F incorporated. We need to map the changes proposed by Maryann to the latest doc. (2) The Bumper Sticker Numbering in the Summary list of best practices needs to come from Felix's automation. (3) AI 303 was specifically for BP 8 but ratifying all BP bumperstcikers is good. Again it does not match the latest Gu 17:20:11 zakim, unmute me 17:20:11 toufic should no longer be muted 17:20:20 zakim, mute me 17:20:20 toufic should now be muted 17:22:35 zakim, unmute me 17:22:35 toufic should no longer be muted 17:23:48 zakim, mute me 17:23:48 toufic should now be muted 17:23:54 scribe: prasad 17:25:06 please put comments to the list 17:25:09 Monica: I can go back and map the proposed changes to latest doc 17:25:24 s/Monica/Maryann/ 17:25:28 thanks 17:26:17 Paul: If people can send their questions to Maryann then she can address them specifically 17:26:30 can we put these to the list please 17:27:50 Paul: How do you want handle Guidelines in terms of schedule? 17:28:19 Maryann: We can handle Primer and Guidelines separately for July Timeframe 17:29:04 Paul: Like to handle this at Dublin F2F 17:29:48 Maryann's strawman is attached to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0033.html 17:30:19 ACTION: on Asir [and other WG members] to respond with comments to Maryann on proposal in June msg 33 17:30:19 Sorry, couldn't find user - on 17:30:26 -Ashok_Malhotra 17:30:40 ACTION: Asir [and other WG members] to respond with comments to Maryann on proposal in June msg 33 17:30:40 Created ACTION-316 - [and other WG members] to respond with comments to Maryann on proposal in June msg 33 [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2007-06-20]. 17:31:40 ACTION: Maryann open new guidelines issues (for) based on on content in June Msg 33 17:31:40 Created ACTION-317 - Open new guidelines issues (for) based on on content in June Msg 33 [on Maryann Hondo - due 2007-06-20]. 17:31:53 back 17:32:44 prasad, are you taking that AI? 17:32:54 ok 17:33:09 ACTION: Prasad (editors) work with Maryann to figure which of the issues resulting June msg 33 are doable before July F2F 17:33:09 Created ACTION-318 - (editors) work with Maryann to figure which of the issues resulting June msg 33 are doable before July F2F [on Prasad Yendluri - due 2007-06-20]. 17:33:53 scribe: toufic 17:35:00 Issue 4375: [Guidelines] need to change qname for the ws-addr metadata elements in examples 17:35:09 Open for future consideration. 17:35:12 thanks 17:35:50 -Yakov_Sverdlov 17:36:11 paul: we're at the point where we need to see guidelines document 17:36:23 paul: most work on framework and attachment is done 17:36:36 zakim, who is there? 17:36:36 I don't understand your question, toufic. 17:36:38 -Dave_Orchard 17:36:56 daveO and some others have left 17:37:11 In addition Frederick was present. 17:37:16 rrsagent, please drop action 4 17:37:17 -Abbie_Barbir 17:37:18 paul: adjourned 17:37:29 -m2 17:37:30 -asir 17:37:30 -Tom_Rutt 17:37:32 rrsagent, please drop action 4 17:37:33 -Maryann_Hondo 17:37:35 -dan 17:37:36 zakim, unmute me 17:37:36 toufic should no longer be muted 17:37:42 TRutt__ has left #ws-policy 17:37:43 -Prasad_Yendluri 17:37:52 -toufic 17:38:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:38:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-minutes.html toufic 17:38:36 zakim, bye 17:38:36 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Yakov_Sverdlov, Maryann_Hondo, Sergey_Beryozkin, m2, Mark_Little, Abbie_Barbir, Fabian, [Microsoft], toufic, paul, Prasad_Yendluri, 17:38:36 Zakim has left #ws-policy 17:38:39 ... Frederick_Hirsch, Tom_Rutt, Ashok_Malhotra, dan, Dave_Orchard, +1.415.402.aaaa 17:38:43 rrsagent, bye 17:40:34 prasad, should i publish the minutes? 17:40:56 rrsagent, bye 17:40:56 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-actions.rdf : 17:40:56 ACTION: asir to clean up dashboard summary, esp the cells indicating zero of zero [1] 17:40:56 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-16-31 17:40:56 ACTION: maryann to follow up on lax intersection testing comments [2] 17:40:56 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T16-19-19 17:40:56 ACTION: Asir [and other WG members] to respond with comments to Maryann on proposal in June msg 33 [5] 17:40:56 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T17-30-40 17:40:56 ACTION: Maryann open new guidelines issues (for) based on on content in June Msg 33 [6] 17:40:56 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T17-31-40 17:40:56 ACTION: Prasad (editors) work with Maryann to figure which of the issues resulting June msg 33 are doable before July F2F [7] 17:40:56 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-ws-policy-irc#T17-33-09