00:00:17 action: Michael to open a bugzilla item on adding a conformance section to the spec. 00:00:17 Created ACTION-39 - Open a bugzilla item on adding a conformance section to the spec. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 00:01:45 Sandy has joined #sml 00:01:46 johnarwe has joined #sml 00:27:00 action: Michael to open an bugzilla item to consider "element level granualrity" for acyclic. 00:27:00 Created ACTION-40 - Open an bugzilla item to consider \"element level granualrity\" for acyclic. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 00:28:32 action: Bassam to remove the sentence "If sml:acyclic=false is specified for R, then R is a cyclic reference type" from 3.4.1 00:28:32 Created ACTION-41 - Remove the sentence \"If sml:acyclic=false is specified for R, then R is a cyclic reference type\" from 3.4.1 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 00:31:29 Paul has joined #sml 00:45:37 action: Bassam to update 3.4.2.2 so that its not enforce on empty or null reference elements 00:45:40 Created ACTION-42 - Update 3.4.2.2 so that its not enforce on empty or null reference elements [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 00:48:47 action: Bassam to fix formatting in first sentence of 3.4.2.3 00:48:47 Created ACTION-43 - Fix formatting in first sentence of 3.4.2.3 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 01:06:53 rrsagent, generate minutes 01:06:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html Bassam 01:07:23 KirkD has joined #sml 01:08:43 /leave 01:12:00 rrsagent, where am i? 01:12:00 See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T01-12-00 01:12:17 rrsagent, please make log member-visible 01:12:34 rssagent, generate minutes 01:12:40 rrsagent, generate minutes 01:12:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html Bassam 01:36:54 Zakim has left #sml 03:07:02 MSM has joined #sml 15:39:35 RRSAgent has joined #sml 15:39:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc 15:39:44 rrsagent, help 15:39:50 Kirk has joined #sml 15:40:10 rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight 15:40:24 Valentina has joined #sml 15:41:25 pratul has joined #sml 15:43:10 ginny has joined #sml 15:43:33 jim has joined #sml 15:44:45 Sandy has joined #sml 15:45:22 scribe: ginny 15:45:55 meeting: SML Face to Face Meeting (3d day) 15:46:09 chair: Pratul 15:46:21 Topic: 3.5 Identity Constraints 15:46:58 JA has joined #sml 15:48:06 zulah has joined #sml 15:48:09 Kirk: questions why key, keyref restrictions in xsd are not present in sml 15:48:54 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0002.html 15:49:50 Pratul: intent was to abide by the xsd constraints for key, keyref 15:59:51 Valentina has joined #sml 16:01:48 Topic: 3.5 16:01:53 zulah has joined #sml 16:02:24 Action: Bassam reword 3rd sentence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec 16:02:24 Created ACTION-44 - Reword 3rd sentence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 16:03:36 Action - 44 16:03:45 Action- 44 16:04:35 marv has joined #sml 16:12:04 Action: Sandy enter a bugzilla issue to track if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can refer to an XML Schema constraint 16:12:04 Created ACTION-45 - Enter a bugzilla issue to track if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can refer to an XML Schema constraint [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20]. 16:18:58 Action: Bassam think about making wording of bullet point 3 (if an SML identity constraint is specified for an element dec. E, then this constraint is applicable...) to be more crisp about the scope 16:18:58 Created ACTION-46 - Think about making wording of bullet point 3 (if an SML identity constraint is specified for an element dec. E, then this constraint is applicable...) to be more crisp about the scope [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 16:23:35 Action: Bassam for bullet points 4,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we should remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function 16:23:36 Created ACTION-47 - For bullet points 4,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we should remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 16:33:41 Action: Michael to open an issue to investigate substitution groups for an element E that has an identity contstraint. Does this constraint apply to substitution groups? What does schema say? 16:33:42 Created ACTION-48 - Open an issue to investigate substitution groups for an element E that has an identity contstraint. Does this constraint apply to substitution groups? What does schema say? [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 16:36:37 Pratul: 3.5.2 is not normative 16:37:10 Zulah: 3.5.1 to 3.5.3 are all non-normative 16:52:27 Sandy: why does SML limit schematron constraints to globals 16:52:59 Topic: 4 16:59:12 Action: Michael to open an issue shematron constraints should be restricted to top level type definitions and element declarations 16:59:12 Created ACTION-49 - Open an issue shematron constraints should be restricted to top level type definitions and element declarations [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 16:59:40 s/issue/issue about whether/ 17:00:39 Action: Sandy to open an issue about supporting namespace declarations on the BNF for deref() function 17:00:39 Created ACTION-50 - Open an issue about supporting namespace declarations on the BNF for deref() function [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20]. 17:00:55 rrsagent, create minutes 17:00:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html ginny 17:02:34 Ginny: comments about 3.5.1 to 3.5.3 being non-normative will be included in the action item to revise document to better organize the normative and non-normative information 17:04:51 Action: Bassam edit bullet point (A pattern MUST be evaluated for an instance by evaluation the rule elements...) to refer to the schematron spec 17:04:51 Created ACTION-51 - Edit bullet point (A pattern MUST be evaluated for an instance by evaluation the rule elements...) to refer to the schematron spec [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 17:06:36 Topic: 4.1 Localization of Error Messages 17:09:48 Action: Bassam to more clearly denote the validator requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required action within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) 17:09:48 Created ACTION-52 - More clearly denote the validator requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required action within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 17:12:34 Action: Bassam correct typo "smlerr:output attributes" to "smlerr:localizationid attributes" 17:12:34 Created ACTION-53 - Correct typo \"smlerr:output attributes\" to \"smlerr:localizationid attributes\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 17:29:12 Action: Bassam to prepare list of places in the spec to consider using "implementation defined" vs "implementation dependent" 17:29:12 Created ACTION-54 - Prepare list of places in the spec to consider using \"implementation defined\" vs \"implementation dependent\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 17:30:40 MSM: "implementation defined" implies a MUST requirement to document the implementation of the feature on the implementer 18:11:58 Topic: Next face to face meeting 18:15:12 Resolution: start early morning Aug 21 and finish noon on Aug 23; IBM hosts in Toronto 18:15:49 Topic: Public Working Drafts 18:19:54 pratul has joined #sml 18:20:18 Resolution: Use next week's teleconference to traige SML spec issues and decide which ones are required for 1st working draft; after that proceed to SML-IF spec 18:21:33 ... including unresolved editor action items 18:21:53 s/Toronto/Toronto (if rooms are available)/ 18:22:52 Topic: 5 Structure XML Output from Schematron Rules 18:23:49 Bassam has joined #sml 18:25:03 Action: Bassam look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear 18:25:03 Created ACTION-55 - Look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 18:25:23 plh has joined #sml 18:27:17 Action: Vijay to enhance section 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI 18:27:17 Created ACTION-56 - Enhance section 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI [on Vijay Tewari - due 2007-06-20]. 18:36:17 Discussion on including other nodes like comments in the output from smlerr:output 18:36:55 ... refer to line in section 5.1 (If the node set contains namespace,...) 18:38:03 .. This line is also unclear 18:40:29 Action: Michael to open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5.1) 18:40:29 Created ACTION-57 - Open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5.1) [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 18:45:01 Action: Bassam section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 sections. 18:45:01 Created ACTION-58 - Section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 sections. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 18:48:05 Action: Bassam should update the 1st sentence of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. 18:48:05 Created ACTION-59 - Should update the 1st sentence of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 18:51:10 Pratul: section 5.1.3 is intended to be normative 18:58:07 Action: Bassam to edit sentence in section 5.1.3 (Element nodes are serialized...) to say "Element nodes are serialized into their XML ..." ; remove "document order" 18:58:07 Created ACTION-60 - Edit sentence in section 5.1.3 (Element nodes are serialized...) to say \"Element nodes are serialized into their XML ...\" ; remove \"document order\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 19:01:24 Topic: 6 Model Validation 19:01:32 john: section is incomplete 19:10:38 Action: Virginia to log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its content after the editors' pass on separating normative/non-normative content 19:10:38 Created ACTION-61 - Log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its content after the editors\' pass on separating normative/non-normative content [on Virginia Smith - due 2007-06-20]. 19:15:20 Action: Bassam to clarify section 6.1 regarding Schematron phases 19:15:21 Created ACTION-62 - Clarify section 6.1 regarding Schematron phases [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 19:16:23 rrsagent, generate minutes 19:16:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html ginny 20:03:00 scribe: Zulah 20:06:28 topic: Meeting closing time 20:07:56 Bassam has joined #sml 20:09:25 JA: the group will continue until 6PM. For people who leave the meeting early today, there will be an opportunity to comment on the spec at the next time we take up the issue of SML-IF.. 20:09:49 topic: SML-IF, 1. Introduction 20:09:56 pratul has joined #sml 20:09:57 plh has joined #sml 20:09:59 jim has joined #sml 20:22:49 General discussion on the process of validation and the interoperability of validators 20:24:16 There is an open issue in the submission which will become an action item 20:25:03 This is open issue #5 in the SML-IF submission 20:25:44 topic: SML-IF, 2. Informal description 20:26:03 JA: All of topic 2 is non-normative 20:27:09 There is agreement to skip the non-normative sections and move to the normative. Issues should be logged with Bugzilla 20:27:48 topic: SML-IF, 3. SML -IFNormative Definitions 20:34:12 plh has joined #sml 20:38:21 action: MSM to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. 20:38:21 Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM 20:38:46 action: Michael to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. 20:38:46 Created ACTION-63 - Open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 \"consumer\" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 21:04:49 action: Bassam look through SML-IF for all qualifications of the word "model" and if they are anything other than "valid" or "invalid" recast them. 21:04:49 Created ACTION-64 - Look through SML-IF for all qualifications of the word \"model\" and if they are anything other than \"valid\" or \"invalid\" recast them. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 21:13:03 action: Bassam to change "representing" to "that constitutes" in "The purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ..." 21:13:03 Created ACTION-65 - Change \"representing\" to \"that constitutes\" in \"The purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ...\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 21:13:40 action: Bassam to remove the third sentence of paragraph #1 ("The documents in the interchange set constitute the SML model being interchanged.") 21:13:40 Created ACTION-66 - Remove the third sentence of paragraph #1 (\"The documents in the interchange set constitute the SML model being interchanged.\") [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 21:16:51 MSM: questions whether it is necessary to stipulate UTF-8, UTF-16 21:22:11 pratul: Leaving encoding schemes open puts interop at risk 21:26:22 MSM: if we think the interoperabiltiy of XML is insufficient, then it should be addressed by XML 21:27:17 JA: Two issues (1) UTF-8,16 as a floor for SML-IF (2) since we have a requirement for XML 1.0, stating this would be redundant 21:27:38 JA: Everyone agrees with #1. 21:27:56 JA: MSM's proposal is to remove UTF-8, 16 as floor encoding requirements 21:28:41 Sandy: your model needs to be encoded in a single encoding 21:31:27 "Although an XML processor is required to read only entities in the UTF-8 and UTF-16 encodings, it is recognized that other encodings are used around the world, and it may be desired for XML processors to read entities that use them." 21:34:50 plh: UTF 8 is an issue for Japanese character sets because (as an example) its use can greatly increase the size of a file 21:35:44 JA has joined #sml 21:35:50 "4.3.3 Character Encoding in Entities" http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#charencoding 21:44:27 JA: again, (1) do we need a floor constraint on encoding and (2) same question about a ceiling 21:45:17 action: Pratul to log the floor issue in bugzilla 21:45:17 Created ACTION-67 - Log the floor issue in bugzilla [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-20]. 21:45:44 action: MSM to log the ceiling issue in bugzilla (constraint on encoding) 21:45:44 Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM 21:49:14 Sandy: schema does not say what a valid XML document is (RE: "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema... ") 21:52:44 action: Sandy: will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. 21:52:44 Sorry, couldn't find user - Sandy: 21:54:28 action: Sandy to will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. 21:54:29 Created ACTION-68 - Will supply words to replace \"...MUST be valid under the XML Schema ..\" such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20]. 21:56:57 action: Pratul to load open issues into bugzilla 21:56:57 Created ACTION-69 - Load open issues into bugzilla [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-20]. 21:57:26 action: Bassam to remove the open issues from the SML-IF document after Pratul logs them in bugzilla (Action 69) 21:57:26 Created ACTION-70 - Remove the open issues from the SML-IF document after Pratul logs them in bugzilla (Action 69) [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 21:59:12 rrsagent, generate minutes 21:59:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html ginny 22:18:39 jim has joined #sml 22:21:37 Kirk has joined #sml 22:21:46 pratul has joined #sml 22:22:17 action: bassam change sentence in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to "represented in SML-IF by a separate document element " 22:22:17 Created ACTION-71 - change sentence in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to \"represented in SML-IF by a separate document element \" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 22:26:37 action: michael to log an issue considering whether the mention of "octet stream" in 3.2 is appropriate. 22:26:37 Created ACTION-72 - Log an issue considering whether the mention of \"octet stream\" in 3.2 is appropriate. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 22:28:13 action: sandy to open an issue considering whether the removal of DTD mentioned in Item 1 under section 3.2 is problematic. 22:28:13 Created ACTION-73 - Open an issue considering whether the removal of DTD mentioned in Item 1 under section 3.2 is problematic. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20]. 22:37:26 action: john Open an issue to add text in section 3.2 to require that consumers and producers are required to implement at a minimum the usr scheme. 22:37:28 Created ACTION-74 - Open an issue to add text in section 3.2 to require that consumers and producers are required to implement at a minimum the usr scheme. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-20]. 22:38:27 jim has joined #sml 22:39:17 s/usr/uri/ 22:39:47 rrsagent generate minutes 22:42:12 pratul1 has joined #sml 22:42:47 action bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document" 22:55:42 jim has joined #sml 22:56:40 rrsagent generate minutes 22:56:46 action: bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document" 22:56:46 Created ACTION-75 - Change \"Each definition document in the interchange \" in 3.2 to \"Each model definition document\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 23:04:41 action: john To open bugzilla issue to document why we did not use sml:reftype in documentURI 23:04:41 Created ACTION-76 - Open bugzilla issue to document why we did not use sml:reftype in documentURI [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-20]. 23:04:52 marv has joined #sml 23:08:18 action: bassam To reword the last sentence of 3.2 from "appears as a child of a document element " to more clearly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded document 23:08:18 Created ACTION-77 - Reword the last sentence of 3.2 from \"appears as a child of a document element \" to more clearly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded document [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 23:15:18 action: michael To open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RFC defines URI equivalence. 23:15:18 Created ACTION-78 - Open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RFC defines URI equivalence. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. 23:17:22 action: sandy to consider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri 23:17:22 Created ACTION-79 - Consider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20]. 23:22:07 action: bassam To append to 3.3.2 "Consumers MUST NOT interpret wsa:address " the phrase "or any other schmes other than uri" 23:22:07 Created ACTION-80 - Append to 3.3.2 \"Consumers MUST NOT interpret wsa:address \" the phrase \"or any other schmes other than uri\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20]. 23:36:29 rrsagent, generate minutes 23:36:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html pratul 23:36:33 RRSAgent, Action- 80 23:36:58 RRSAgent, Action- 40 00:07:20 jim has joined #sml 00:08:13 action: john To open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly reflect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other than uri. 00:08:13 Created ACTION-81 - Open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly reflect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other than uri. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-21]. 00:08:44 /leave 00:10:23 Proposal: lose "Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique." 00:10:41 action: bassam Remove "Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique. " from 3.3.4 00:10:41 Created ACTION-82 - Remove \"Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique. \" from 3.3.4 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21]. 00:18:19 Zakim has joined #sml 00:18:23 zakim, pick a victim 00:18:23 sorry, MSM, I don't know what conference this is 00:18:30 zakim, excuse us 00:18:30 Zakim has left #sml 00:20:34 Action: Phillipe Suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". 00:20:34 Sorry, couldn't find user - Phillipe 00:23:30 pratul has joined #sml 00:23:37 jim has joined #sml 00:24:13 Action: Philippe to suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". We should accept all kind of URI without fragments. 00:24:13 Created ACTION-83 - Suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading \"otherwise, if the URI representing\". We should accept all kind of URI without fragments. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-06-21]. 00:25:44 action: bassam Swap the words only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 00:25:44 Created ACTION-84 - Swap the words only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21]. 00:26:02 Topic: 3.4 Rule Document Bindings 00:34:52 Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± 00:35:03 With: If neither of these cases applies, the reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± 00:35:33 action: bassam Remove the sentence "By definition, unresolved inter-document references are references to documents (or to elements in documents) not included in the interchange." from 3.3.6 00:35:33 Created ACTION-85 - Remove the sentence \"By definition, unresolved inter-document references are references to documents (or to elements in documents) not included in the interchange.\" from 3.3.6 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21]. 00:36:44 action: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± 00:37:44 trackbot-ng has joined #sml 00:37:50 Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/ 00:38:55 Kirk has joined #sml 00:39:09 action: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± 00:40:44 trackbot-ng has joined #sml 00:40:50 Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/ 00:42:49 action: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." 00:42:59 action: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." 00:42:59 Created ACTION-86 - In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called \"an unresolved inter-document reference.\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21]. 00:43:58 question about section 3.4.1. prefix: "http://abc/d" target: "http://abc/def/xyz". match? 00:44:02 rrsagent, where am I? 00:44:02 See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-44-02 00:46:41 marv has joined #sml 00:49:06 Consider document URIs http://example.com/students/grad001.xml 00:49:17 http://example.com/students/grad002.xml 00:49:19 ... 00:49:28 http://example.com/students/grad999.xml 00:49:39 http://example.com/students/undergrad001.xml 00:49:44 http://example.com/students/undergrad002.xml 00:49:52 http://example.com/students/undergrad999.xml 00:54:14 jim2 has joined #sml 00:54:20 action: bassam Remove the sentence "Given a prefix and a set of URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs that match the prefix." from 3.4.1 00:54:20 Created ACTION-87 - Remove the sentence \"Given a prefix and a set of URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs that match the prefix.\" from 3.4.1 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21]. 00:58:36 Discussion of whether the prefix matching is really as simple as it sounds. Is the intent that the prefix really ought to be an integral number of path steps? 00:59:03 If so, then really the match ought to require that the prefix match the part of the URI just before or just ending with a slash. 00:59:44 The example above, which allows prefixes http://example.com/students/grad and .../undergrad, would not work then. We decided (a) that it ought to work and (b) that that was the intent. 01:00:39 rrsagent, bye 01:00:39 I see 50 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-actions.rdf : 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam reword 3rd sentence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec [1] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T16-02-24 01:00:39 ACTION: Sandy enter a bugzilla issue to track if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can refer to an XML Schema constraint [2] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T16-12-04 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam think about making wording of bullet point 3 (if an SML identity constraint is specified for an element dec. E, then this constraint is applicable...) to be more crisp about the scope [3] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T16-18-58 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam for bullet points 4,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we should remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function [4] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T16-23-35 01:00:39 ACTION: Michael to open an issue to investigate substitution groups for an element E that has an identity contstraint. Does this constraint apply to substitution groups? What does schema say? [5] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T16-33-41 01:00:39 ACTION: Michael to open an issue shematron constraints should be restricted to top level type definitions and element declarations [6] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T16-59-12 01:00:39 ACTION: Sandy to open an issue about supporting namespace declarations on the BNF for deref() function [7] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T17-00-39 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam edit bullet point (A pattern MUST be evaluated for an instance by evaluation the rule elements...) to refer to the schematron spec [8] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T17-04-51 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam to more clearly denote the validator requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required action within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) [9] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T17-09-48 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam correct typo "smlerr:output attributes" to "smlerr:localizationid attributes" [10] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T17-12-34 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam to prepare list of places in the spec to consider using "implementation defined" vs "implementation dependent" [11] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T17-29-12 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear [12] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T18-25-03 01:00:39 ACTION: Vijay to enhance section 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI [13] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T18-27-17 01:00:39 ACTION: Michael to open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5.1) [14] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T18-40-29 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 sections. [15] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T18-45-01 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam should update the 1st sentence of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. [16] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T18-48-05 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam to edit sentence in section 5.1.3 (Element nodes are serialized...) to say "Element nodes are serialized into their XML ..." ; remove "document order" [17] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T18-58-07 01:00:39 ACTION: Virginia to log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its content after the editors' pass on separating normative/non-normative content [18] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T19-10-38 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam to clarify section 6.1 regarding Schematron phases [19] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T19-15-20 01:00:39 ACTION: MSM to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [20] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T20-38-21 01:00:39 ACTION: Michael to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [21] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T20-38-46 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam look through SML-IF for all qualifications of the word "model" and if they are anything other than "valid" or "invalid" recast them. [22] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-04-49 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam to change "representing" to "that constitutes" in "The purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ..." [23] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-13-03 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam to remove the third sentence of paragraph #1 ("The documents in the interchange set constitute the SML model being interchanged.") [24] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-13-40 01:00:39 ACTION: Pratul to log the floor issue in bugzilla [25] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-45-17 01:00:39 ACTION: MSM to log the ceiling issue in bugzilla (constraint on encoding) [26] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-45-44 01:00:39 ACTION: Sandy: will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [27] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-52-44 01:00:39 ACTION: Sandy to will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [28] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-54-28 01:00:39 ACTION: Pratul to load open issues into bugzilla [29] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-56-57 01:00:39 ACTION: Bassam to remove the open issues from the SML-IF document after Pratul logs them in bugzilla (Action 69) [30] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T21-57-26 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam change sentence in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to "represented in SML-IF by a separate document element " [31] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T22-22-17 01:00:39 ACTION: michael to log an issue considering whether the mention of "octet stream" in 3.2 is appropriate. [32] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T22-26-37 01:00:39 ACTION: sandy to open an issue considering whether the removal of DTD mentioned in Item 1 under section 3.2 is problematic. [33] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T22-28-13 01:00:39 ACTION: john Open an issue to add text in section 3.2 to require that consumers and producers are required to implement at a minimum the usr scheme. [34] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T22-37-26 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document" [35] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T22-56-46 01:00:39 ACTION: john To open bugzilla issue to document why we did not use sml:reftype in documentURI [36] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T23-04-41 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam To reword the last sentence of 3.2 from "appears as a child of a document element " to more clearly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded document [37] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T23-08-18 01:00:39 ACTION: michael To open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RFC defines URI equivalence. [38] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T23-15-18 01:00:39 ACTION: sandy to consider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri [39] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T23-17-22 01:00:39 ACTION: john To open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly reflect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other than uri. [41] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-08-13 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam Remove "Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique. " from 3.3.4 [42] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-10-41 01:00:39 ACTION: Phillipe Suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". [43] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-20-34 01:00:39 ACTION: Philippe to suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". We should accept all kind of URI without fragments. [44] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-24-13 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam Swap the words only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 [45] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-25-44 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam Remove the sentence "By definition, unresolved inter-document references are references to documents (or to elements in documents) not included in the interchange." from 3.3.6 [46] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-35-33 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [47] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-36-44 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [48] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-39-09 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." [49] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-42-49 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." [50] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-42-59 01:00:39 ACTION: bassam Remove the sentence "Given a prefix and a set of URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs that match the prefix." from 3.4.1 [51] 01:00:39 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-irc#T00-54-20 01:01:00 rrsagent, generate minutes 01:01:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html jim 01:01:28 We noted also that there is a problem if you have one rule document named "a" and one named "a2.sch". But you can get around that by adding new aliases.