IRC log of forms on 2007-06-13
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-forms-irc
- 12:42:09 [Steven]
- woof
- 12:42:10 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- John_Boyer has changed the topic to: FtF Hawthorne, NY, USA,
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- John_Boyer has changed the topic to: FtF Hawthorne, NY, USA, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0031.html
- 12:53:28 [markbirbeck]
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- Draft Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0031.html
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- Chair: John
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- Scribe: Leigh
- 12:54:25 [John_Boyer]
- scribenick: klotz
- 12:55:24 [Steven]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0031
- 12:56:00 [Steven]
- Meeting: Forms WG FtF, hosted by IBM, Hawthorne, NY, USA
- 12:56:17 [Nick]
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- 13:02:31 [Steven]
- Presetn: Charlie, Roger, Keith, Leigh, John, Uli, Nick, Steven, Mark(remote)
- 13:02:41 [Steven]
- s/Presetn/Present/
- 13:09:40 [Steven]
- http://ichirikicom.verizonsupersite.com/
- 13:11:29 [Steven]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/
- 13:14:00 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/
- 13:14:28 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/0004.html
- 13:17:36 [Roger]
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- 13:18:25 [Nick]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Incoming?id=3;user=guest;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
- 13:33:28 [klotz]
- Added to validate
- 13:33:28 [klotz]
- "The default value is the value of serialize, if present, or 'true',
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- otherwise."
- 13:33:45 [klotz]
- Same on relevant.
- 13:35:16 [klotz]
- Then on serialize, a note.
- 13:42:21 [Steven]
- I have now forwarded all relevant messages to the DB
- 14:13:51 [Charlie]
- *test
- 14:15:49 [John_Boyer]
- Please see http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html
- 14:16:23 [klotz]
- hello markbirbeck please see chapter 11
- 14:16:33 [markbirbeck]
- just looking...
- 14:16:47 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#submit-submission-element
- 14:17:05 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#submit-evt-submit
- 14:17:08 [John_Boyer]
- bullets 2 and 3
- 14:17:53 [markbirbeck]
- great...thanks
- 14:27:15 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0002.html
- 14:27:17 [John_Boyer]
- is just a duplicate
- 14:27:22 [John_Boyer]
- of CDF comments
- 14:33:46 [markbirbeck]
- Email received ok from issue-tracking system.
- 14:50:35 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
- 14:51:10 [klotz]
- I will periodically update http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#module-mustUnderstand
- 14:51:13 [klotz]
- oops
- 14:51:27 [klotz]
- I will periodically update http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 14:51:44 [Nick]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=45;user=guest;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
- 14:53:24 [jturner]
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- 14:53:37 [klotz]
- Joern will periodically update http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 14:54:15 [klotz]
- jturner, I will periodically update http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 14:55:13 [jturner]
- sorry, what is meant by this?
- 14:55:30 [klotz]
- jturner you can see live minutes there.
- 14:56:01 [jturner]
- ah, ok - thanks
- 14:57:21 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#evt-recalculate
- 15:06:59 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
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- 15:16:32 [Steven]
- All issues have now been classified
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- in the db
- 15:25:06 [klotz]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Apr/0050.html
- 15:26:35 [Nick]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Apr/0056.html
- 15:27:00 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Apr/0055.html
- 15:43:42 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 16:02:32 [ebruchez]
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- 16:06:37 [John_Boyer]
- Note that referring to a node's value in a calculate on the node, as in the following example, may have effects that vary by implementation: <bind nodeset="x" calculate=".+1"/> Model item properties other than calculate, such as required or readonly are well-defined in the presence of self-references.
- 16:24:15 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#model-prop-readOnly
- 16:24:18 [klotz]
- markbirbeck
- 16:25:23 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#evt-recalculate
- 16:28:55 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 16:29:03 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: For
- 16:29:03 [klotz]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=45 we accept
- 16:29:03 [klotz]
- with modification; we find that calculate merely defaults readonly to
- 16:29:03 [klotz]
- true, and that it can be set to false, and that there are use cases,
- 16:29:03 [klotz]
- namely default value. We tested the use case and found it works. We
- 16:29:04 [klotz]
- changed the note in 4.3.6
- 16:29:06 [klotz]
- [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#evt-recalculate]
- 16:29:08 [klotz]
- and put an example in MIP for readonly
- 16:29:10 [klotz]
- [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#model-prop-readOnly]
- 16:31:57 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 17:11:10 [ebruchez]
- All, I hope you have a good f2f. If there are some issues I can help with today, I may be able to call between two meetings. If so, please ping me on IRC or Skype :-)
- 17:32:27 [Steven]
- ok
- 17:33:06 [unl]
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- 17:37:11 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html
- 17:38:48 [Nick]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0000.html
- 17:41:21 [Nick]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-forms/2007JanMar/att-0107/20070214.html#resolution1
- 17:42:33 [Nick]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Sorting_data
- 17:46:09 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-operators/#collations
- 18:01:24 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 18:01:26 [markbirbeck]
- Skype just inexplicably died...
- 18:01:34 [markbirbeck]
- Back in a mo'.
- 18:06:54 [klotz]
- http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr10
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- 18:25:46 [klotz]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0007.html
- 18:30:00 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 18:34:23 [John_Boyer]
- Elements can be identified using any attribute of type ID (such as 28<21att28>xml:id28</21att28>), not just the 28<21att28>id28</21att28> attribute defined above.
- 18:39:19 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 18:40:11 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We add a note to Common Attributes: "Elements can be identified using any attribute of type ID (such as xml:id), not just the id attribute defined above."
- 18:40:23 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We move XForms 1.0 to a normative reference.
- 18:40:42 [klotz]
- s/normative/informative
- 18:45:46 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We cannot move xforms:dayTimeDuration and xforms:yearMonthDuration to the xs: types from XQuery 1.0 / XSLT 2.0 because XForms 1.1 is based on XML Schema 1.0 and XPath 1.0
- 18:47:05 [NickVdB]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#dt-yearMonthDuration
- 18:51:07 [unl]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#namespaces
- 19:08:17 [Roger]
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- 19:16:01 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We change xsd:schema and children to xs:schema and children, and add a definition of the xs: namespace, but leave occurrences the definition xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" and the uses on datatypes, because that's what XML Schema Part 0 does. Implementors will already note that XML Schema requires handling of type definitions in the xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-Datatypes" namespace without special instruction from XForms.
- 19:22:15 [klotz]
- s/XMLSchema-Datatypes/XMLSchema-datatypes
- 19:29:08 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#ref-unicode-scripts
- 19:30:29 [Steven]
- http://www.unicode.org/Public/5.0.0/ucd/PropertyValueAliases.txt
- 19:36:44 [unl]
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- 19:42:01 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We agree that XForms-specific procedures should be harmonized with XPath 2.0 functions library where possible.
- 19:51:56 [klotz]
- U.S. Patent 2,950,048
- 19:52:23 [klotz]
- COMPUTER FOR VERIFYING NUMBERS
- 19:52:23 [klotz]
- H. P. LUHN
- 19:57:00 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We change the Luhn reference from ISO/IEC 7912-1 to expired patent "U.S. PATENT 2,950,048 Computer for Verifying Numbers.", H.P. Luhn. We change terminology from "Luhn formula" to "Lunh algorithm" to make finding the Wikipedia entry easy. We retain "Luhn function" for now.
- 19:57:15 [klotz]
- s/Lunh/Luhn
- 20:04:05 [NickVdB]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/XPath?id=11;expression=i18n;user=nvdbleek;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
- 20:04:06 [NickVdB]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#fn-now
- 20:10:14 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0008.html
- 20:10:15 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
- 20:15:07 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We remove the XForms 1.0 requirements and do not add XForms 1.1.
- 20:15:12 [klotz]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Conformance?id=49
- 20:16:51 [NickVdB]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/XPath?id=11;expression=i18n;user=nvdbleek;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
- 20:18:22 [John_Boyer]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/Misc?id=119;user=boyerj;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
- 20:25:37 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: An ITS rule file is not a normative part of the recommendation and we would be happy to provide some meeting time to help I18N WG create it, but we do not have the resources to create it.
- 20:30:41 [John_Boyer]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/Appendices?id=120;user=boyerj;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
- 20:31:25 [ebruchez]
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- 20:39:45 [markbirbeck]
- better latte than never
- 20:41:06 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We accept the correction to XForms and SVG Example by removing the accent mark, as the word "latte" is Italian, not French, so it's "latte" with no accent.
- 20:52:00 [NickVdB]
- http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/
- 21:00:54 [klotz]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-all.html#xforms-in-xhtml-00
- 21:01:28 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We re-write and simplify G.1 XForms in XHTML to be in one language, and move to XHTML1.
- 21:01:59 [klotz]
- http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html