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12:42:09 <Steven> woof
12:42:10 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
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12:53:51 <John_Boyer> Draft Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0031.html
12:54:18 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
12:54:21 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
12:54:25 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
12:55:24 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0031
12:56:00 <Steven> Meeting: Forms WG FtF, hosted by IBM, Hawthorne, NY, USA
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13:02:31 <Steven> Presetn: Charlie, Roger, Keith, Leigh, John, Uli, Nick, Steven, Mark(remote)
13:02:41 <Steven> s/Presetn/Present/
13:09:40 <Steven> http://ichirikicom.verizonsupersite.com/
13:11:29 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/
13:14:00 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/
13:14:28 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Feb/0004.html
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13:18:25 <Nick> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Incoming?id=3;user=guest;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
13:33:28 <klotz>   Added to validate
13:33:28 <klotz> "The default value is the value of serialize, if present, or 'true',
13:33:28 <klotz> otherwise."
13:33:45 <klotz> Same on relevant.
13:35:16 <klotz>  Then on serialize, a note.
13:42:21 <Steven> I have now forwarded all relevant messages to the DB
14:13:51 <Charlie> *test
14:15:49 <John_Boyer> Please see http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html
14:16:23 <klotz> hello markbirbeck please see chapter 11
14:16:33 <markbirbeck> just looking...
14:16:47 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#submit-submission-element
14:17:05 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#submit-evt-submit
14:17:08 <John_Boyer> bullets 2 and 3
14:17:53 <markbirbeck> great...thanks
14:27:15 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0002.html
14:27:17 <John_Boyer> is just a duplicate
14:27:22 <John_Boyer> of CDF comments
14:33:46 <markbirbeck> Email received ok from issue-tracking system.
14:50:35 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html
14:51:10 <klotz> I will periodically update http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#module-mustUnderstand
14:51:13 <klotz> oops
14:51:27 <klotz> I will periodically update http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
14:51:44 <Nick> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=45;user=guest;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
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14:53:37 <klotz> Joern will periodically update http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
14:54:15 <klotz> jturner, I will periodically update http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
14:55:13 <jturner> sorry, what is meant by this?
14:55:30 <klotz> jturner you can see live minutes there.
14:56:01 <jturner> ah, ok - thanks
14:57:21 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#evt-recalculate
15:06:59 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
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15:16:32 <Steven> All issues have now been classified
15:16:36 <Steven> in the db
15:25:06 <klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Apr/0050.html
15:26:35 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Apr/0056.html
15:27:00 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Apr/0055.html
15:43:42 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
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16:06:37 <John_Boyer> Note that referring to a node's value in a calculate on the node, as in the following example, may have effects that vary by implementation: <bind nodeset="x" calculate=".+1"/> Model item properties other than calculate, such as required or readonly are well-defined in the presence of self-references.
16:24:15 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#model-prop-readOnly
16:24:18 <klotz> markbirbeck
16:25:23 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#evt-recalculate
16:28:55 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
16:29:03 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For
16:29:03 <klotz> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=45 we accept
16:29:03 <klotz> with modification; we find that calculate merely defaults readonly to
16:29:03 <klotz> true, and that it can be set to false, and that there are use cases,
16:29:03 <klotz> namely default value.  We tested the use case and found it works.  We 
16:29:04 <klotz> changed the note in 4.3.6
16:29:06 <klotz> [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#evt-recalculate]
16:29:08 <klotz> and put an example in MIP for readonly
16:29:10 <klotz> [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#model-prop-readOnly]
16:31:57 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
17:11:10 <ebruchez> All, I hope you have a good f2f. If there are some issues I can help with today, I may be able to call between two meetings. If so, please ping me on IRC or Skype :-)
17:32:27 <Steven> ok
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17:37:11 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html
17:38:48 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0000.html
17:41:21 <Nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-forms/2007JanMar/att-0107/20070214.html#resolution1
17:42:33 <Nick> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Sorting_data
17:46:09 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-operators/#collations
18:01:24 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
18:01:26 <markbirbeck> Skype just inexplicably died...
18:01:34 <markbirbeck> Back in a mo'.
18:06:54 <klotz> http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr10
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18:25:46 <klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0007.html
18:30:00 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
18:34:23 <John_Boyer> Elements can be identified using any attribute of type ID (such as 28<21att28>xml:id28</21att28>), not just the 28<21att28>id28</21att28> attribute defined above.
18:39:19 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
18:40:11 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We add a note to Common Attributes: "Elements can be identified using any attribute of type ID (such as xml:id), not just the id attribute defined above."
18:40:23 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We move XForms 1.0 to a normative reference.
18:40:42 <klotz> s/normative/informative
18:45:46 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We cannot move xforms:dayTimeDuration and xforms:yearMonthDuration to the xs: types from XQuery 1.0 / XSLT 2.0 because XForms 1.1 is based on XML Schema 1.0 and XPath 1.0
18:47:05 <NickVdB> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#dt-yearMonthDuration
18:51:07 <unl> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#namespaces
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19:16:01 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We change xsd:schema and children to xs:schema and children, and add a definition of the xs: namespace, but leave occurrences the definition xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" and the uses on datatypes, because that's what XML Schema Part 0 does.  Implementors will already note that XML Schema requires handling of type definitions in the xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-Datatypes" namespace without special instruction from XForms.
19:22:15 <klotz> s/XMLSchema-Datatypes/XMLSchema-datatypes
19:29:08 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#ref-unicode-scripts
19:30:29 <Steven> http://www.unicode.org/Public/5.0.0/ucd/PropertyValueAliases.txt
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19:42:01 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We agree that XForms-specific procedures should be harmonized with XPath 2.0 functions library where possible.
19:51:56 <klotz> U.S. Patent 2,950,048
19:52:23 <klotz>  COMPUTER FOR VERIFYING NUMBERS
19:52:23 <klotz>  H. P. LUHN
19:57:00 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We change the Luhn reference from ISO/IEC 7912-1 to expired patent "U.S. PATENT 2,950,048 Computer for Verifying Numbers.", H.P. Luhn.  We change terminology from "Luhn formula" to "Lunh algorithm" to make finding the Wikipedia entry easy.  We retain "Luhn function" for now.
19:57:15 <klotz> s/Lunh/Luhn
20:04:05 <NickVdB> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/XPath?id=11;expression=i18n;user=nvdbleek;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1 
20:04:06 <NickVdB> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#fn-now
20:10:14 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0008.html
20:10:15 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html
20:15:07 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We remove the XForms 1.0 requirements and do not add XForms 1.1.
20:15:12 <klotz> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Conformance?id=49
20:16:51 <NickVdB> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/XPath?id=11;expression=i18n;user=nvdbleek;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
20:18:22 <John_Boyer> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/Misc?id=119;user=boyerj;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
20:25:37 <klotz> RESOLUTION: An ITS rule file is not a normative part of the recommendation and we would be happy to provide some meeting time to help I18N WG create it, but we do not have the resources to create it.
20:30:41 <John_Boyer> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues.private/Appendices?id=120;user=boyerj;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
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20:39:45 <markbirbeck> better latte than never
20:41:06 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We accept the correction to XForms and SVG Example by removing the accent mark, as the word "latte" is Italian, not French, so it's "latte" with no accent.
20:52:00 <NickVdB> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/
21:00:54 <klotz> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-all.html#xforms-in-xhtml-00
21:01:28 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We re-write and simplify G.1 XForms in XHTML to be in one language, and move to XHTML1.
21:01:59 <klotz> http://xformstest.org/2007jun13.html