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13:51:18 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:51:18 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
13:51:25 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:51:29 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:51:59 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0032.html
13:52:07 <shadi> regrets: Johannes
13:52:18 <shadi> agenda+ Status update on documents for review
13:52:35 <shadi> agenda+ HTTP-in-RDF: "simplified" approach
13:52:43 <shadi> agenda+ HTTP-in-RDF: date properties for timestamping
13:52:51 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema: Test Mode
13:59:35 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:37 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:00:15 <shadi> zakim, drop shadi
14:00:15 <Zakim> Shadi is being disconnected
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14:00:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi
14:00:35 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:00:35 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
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14:00:54 <shadi> zakim, drop shadi
14:00:54 <Zakim> Shadi is being disconnected
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14:00:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi
14:01:01 <shadi> zakim, code?
14:01:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
14:01:41 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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14:05:42 <shadi> zakim, ??p22 is really CarlosI
14:05:42 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
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14:07:54 <shadi> regrets: Johannes, CarlosV
14:08:25 <shadi> scribe: Reinhard
14:08:31 <shadi> agenda?
14:08:50 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Status update on documents for review" taken up [from shadi]
14:09:10 <shadi> response to FOAF 0.9: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0030
14:09:54 <Reinhard> saz: response was sent to foaf group, on which is worked on by foaf group
14:10:29 <Reinhard> saz: foaf is getting more stable
14:12:28 <Reinhard> ci: how are the properties "surname", "family_name" work in international environments (does everybody understand the same under "family_name"
14:13:17 <Reinhard> saz: emphasize that we need foaf name especially and not the derivatives
14:14:02 <shadi> mobileOK survey 1: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0031.html
14:14:16 <shadi> mobileOK survey 2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0033.html
14:15:13 <Reinhard> saz: survey 1 is resolutions on the previeous working draft and the resolutions presented by the mobileOK group
14:17:25 <Reinhard> saz: survey 1 is an internal survey to get feedback from our group and collect the information
14:18:06 <Reinhard> saz: I will put together the result of survey 1 and we will discuss them next week
14:18:35 <Reinhard> saz: both surveys are due to next tuesday (19th June)
14:18:43 <shadi> s/results of survey 1/results of survey 1 and survey 2
14:20:10 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32094/mOK_LCWD_response/
14:21:25 <Reinhard> saz: if you agree with resolution, then accept it. If EVERYBODY agrees, there is no need for further discussion.
14:22:35 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32094/MOKreview/
14:23:16 <Reinhard> saz: survey two is for commenting the latest draft.
14:23:41 <Reinhard> saz: we will collect data and send it to mobileOK working group
14:25:55 <Reinhard> saz: put all your comments in the drafted format into the textbox
14:26:09 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2007AprJun/0038
14:26:24 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0034.html
14:26:48 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32094/WCAGreview/
14:27:26 <Reinhard> saz: everybody in the group should review the wcag2.0 draft and also fill out the survey
14:28:22 <Reinhard> saz: comments related to ERT (conformace section, testability of the guidelines) need to be highlited
14:29:28 <Reinhard> saz: TODO: mobileOK reading and fill out survey and until 26th we all should look at wcag2.0 and fill out the survey also
14:29:49 <shadi> s/until 26th/until 19th
14:30:09 <shadi> s/fill out the survey also/fill out the survey by 26th
14:30:30 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0026
14:30:42 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0023
14:31:29 <Reinhard> saz: earl and powder will be topic again in the weeks after
14:31:54 <shadi> s/earl and poweder/earl guide and powder use-cases
14:32:03 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:32:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "HTTP-in-RDF: "simplified" approach" taken up [from shadi]
14:32:22 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0024
14:33:01 <shadi> http:MessageHeader
14:33:01 <shadi> |- http:fieldName (rdfs:Literal)
14:33:01 <shadi> |- http:headerName (predefined httph:HeaderName resource)
14:33:01 <shadi> |- http:fieldValue (rdfs:Literal or http:HeaderElement)
14:33:51 <shadi> question: is "accept" == "AcCePt"?
14:35:12 <Reinhard> saz: when you convert from fieldName to headerName you loose information. For some tools it makes sense to distinguish between the two versions
14:35:55 <Reinhard> saz: if too
14:37:31 <Reinhard> s/if too /this approach could also be repeated for the status-code element also
14:39:32 <Reinhard> ci: i have discussed with johannes. With the new approach we have the problem to keep information equally (that the values are the same)
14:39:58 <Reinhard> ci: it is a consistency issue, which is very important
14:41:50 <Reinhard> ci: problem with literals is, how to check the validity. Literals are for typpes of information, that is completly open, not for a closed ste of values
14:43:27 <Reinhard> saz: i saw accept headers with values all in small letters but also with capital letters first.
14:43:58 <Reinhard> saz: literal value is the normative one.
14:44:48 <Reinhard> saz: literals are harder to automatically query.
14:45:52 <Reinhard> saz: tools are differnt (some care about capitalisation, some don't)
14:49:55 <Reinhard> saz: you can only provide a literal value if the value consits with the specification
14:50:59 <Reinhard> ci: there needs to be a rule which clarifies, the appropriate use for predefined header values
14:51:25 <Reinhard> ci: e.g. when it conforms to the respective RFC
14:52:59 <Reinhard> saz: it would be a good direction to use it in the next draft
14:53:49 <Reinhard> RESOLUTION: Go ahead with this approach for now
14:54:09 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:54:09 <Zakim> agendum 3. "HTTP-in-RDF: date properties for timestamping" taken up [from shadi]
14:54:15 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jun/0013
14:55:52 <Reinhard> saz: johannes proposed dateSubmitted and dateAccepted, but there was disagreement on the list. We should use dc:date
14:57:05 <Reinhard> RESOLUTION: We use dc:date for timestamping in request and response
14:58:59 <Zakim> -Reinhard_Ruemer
14:59:03 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:59:04 <Zakim> -CarlosI
14:59:05 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
14:59:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, CarlosI, Reinhard_Ruemer