IRC log of dawg on 2007-06-12

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14:30:00 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be dawg

14:30:01 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start now

14:30:06 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

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Chair: LeeF

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Regrets: EliasT

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0069.html

14:30:54 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access - 12 Jun Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0069.html

14:31:01 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:31:04 [LeeF]

agenda + action items

14:31:10 [LeeF]

agenda + pub status

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agenda + implementation report

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agenda + testing

14:31:48 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:31:55 [Zakim]

+??P1

14:31:57 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P1 is me

14:31:57 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:31:59 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:32:02 [Zakim]

-AndyS

14:32:03 [Zakim]

+AndyS

14:32:14 [LeeF]

zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:32:14 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:32:38 [Zakim]

+Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:33:15 [LeeF]

ericP, you planning to join us?

14:33:30 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP

14:33:30 [Zakim]

I am sorry, ericP; I do not know a number for ericP

14:33:35 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-office

14:33:35 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:33:37 [Zakim]

+EricP

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14:35:27 [LeeF]

Regrets +Souri

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14:36:54 [AndyS]

Hi Jeen!

14:36:59 [jeen]

hi all

14:37:01 [LeeF]

topic: convene

14:37:10 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0068/2007-06-05-dawg-minutes.html minutes from 5 June

14:37:18 [Zakim]

+??P4

14:37:22 [jeen]

zakim, ??P4 is me

14:37:22 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

14:37:37 [jeen]

hey Andy

14:39:02 [LeeF]

next meeting 19 June, same time, same place

14:39:13 [LeeF]

topic: action items

14:40:23 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

14:40:23 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

14:40:40 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20070612144005.GA6160@w3.org

14:42:58 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [DONE]

14:43:08 [LeeF]

action -1

14:43:14 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES]

14:43:30 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to walk through one full example of representing an algebraic expression using the XPath-based facet stuff [DONE]

14:44:14 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS+EricP: Run through an example in yacker [DONE]

14:44:21 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES]

14:44:30 [LeeF]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]

14:44:45 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]

14:44:57 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES]

14:45:05 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES]

14:45:15 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [CONTINUES]

14:45:20 [LeeF]

topic: publication status

14:46:01 [jeen]

:)

14:46:39 [ericP]

jeen, that was my fault.. very sorry

14:47:00 [jeen]

no prob

14:47:02 [LeeF]

Got an "ok" from the Director, expect publication on Thursday (14-Jun)

14:47:14 [LeeF]

topic: implementation report

14:47:34 [jeen]

zakim, unmute me

14:47:34 [Zakim]

jeen should no longer be muted

14:48:00 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0071.html EricP running through algebra + yacker + XSLT example

14:48:15 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

14:48:15 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

14:49:50 [LeeF]

summary of implementation report status -

14:50:05 [LeeF]

list of facets w/ detection XPath (from EricP's list and Chimezie's list)

14:50:11 [LeeF]

classify growing test suite in data-r2

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classify test results to find interoperating feature implementations

14:50:54 [LeeF]

topic: test suite

14:51:19 [jeen]

zakim unmute me

14:51:26 [jeen]

zakim, unmute me

14:51:26 [Zakim]

jeen should no longer be muted

14:52:17 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0070.html AndyS on test status

14:52:28 [LeeF]

first group: data-r2/optional-filter

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-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/optional-filter/manifest.ttl optional-filter manifest

14:54:42 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: approve all 3 tests in data-r2/optional-filter/manifest.ttl

14:55:00 [LeeF]

AndyS seconds

14:55:05 [LeeF]

resolved

14:55:15 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark optional-filter tests approved

14:56:02 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/Expr2/manifest.n3 boolean effective value tests

14:57:23 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

14:57:23 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

15:00:08 [ericP]

[[

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PREFIX mf: <$NS_dawgManifest>

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PREFIX rdfs: <$NS_rdfs>

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SELECT ?name ?comment ?result ?type

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WHERE { ?m mf:entries MEMBERS(?entry) .

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?entry mf:name ?name .

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OPTIONAL { ?entry a ?type } .

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OPTIONAL { ?entry rdfs:comment ?comment } .

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OPTIONAL { ?entry mf:result ?result } }

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]]

15:01:40 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/Expr2/query-bev-6.rq

15:02:46 [AndyS]

In CVS I see, FILTER ( ! ?w )

15:03:56 [AndyS]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq25.html#ebv

15:03:56 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#ebv

15:04:43 [jeen]

Zakim, unmute me

15:04:47 [Zakim]

jeen should no longer be muted

15:06:04 [jeen]

somewhat belated datapoint but: sesame passes the optional-filter tests

15:06:57 [ericP]

[[

15:06:58 [ericP]

kicking mirrors to have version dated 200506150903.07 of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/Expr2/query-bev-6.rq

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Reflect, repent, count backwards from 5 then hit browser back button and reload ,mirrorstatus.

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You just might be rewarded

15:07:07 [ericP]

Contact sysreq if problems persist

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]]

15:07:17 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/Expr2/query-bev-6.rq worky now

15:08:19 [chimezie]

btw RDFLib passes the optional tests as well

15:08:27 [ericP]

tx chimezie

15:09:34 [AndyS]

Excellent.

15:11:25 [AndyS]

:ext:aseaborne@cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs -> WWW/2001/sw/DataAccess

15:15:02 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest.ttl

15:16:19 [AndyS]

Pass 6/6 of moved tests

15:16:22 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: approve the 6 tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest.ttl

15:16:34 [LeeF]

andyS seconds

15:16:42 [LeeF]

resolved

15:17:26 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest.ttl approved, and add rdfs:comments

15:17:48 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/OpenWorld/

15:18:20 [jeen]

sesame passes all but two of the boolean-effective-value tests. I get nullpointerexceptions so the problem is ours not dawgs

15:19:41 [jeen]

this is gonna sound stupid but: how do I check out new subdirectories from w3c cvs? 'cvs update' does not seem to give me the newly checked in stuff...

15:19:56 [LeeF]

cvs update -d maybe?

15:20:18 [jeen]

I luv you; thanks that did it

15:20:32 [AndyS]

Add "update -dP" ~/.cvsrc

15:20:38 [LeeF]

:-)

15:20:44 [AndyS]

Then it always happens.

15:21:24 [AndyS]

(1) s/ORDER BY .*// (2) Remve attributes in srx files

15:21:43 [AndyS]

s/Remve/Remove/

15:22:09 [chimezie]

hg/mercurial doesn't help either =)

15:27:51 [jeen]

ok I'll just type it :)

15:27:57 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

15:27:57 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

15:28:25 [jeen]

minor request: if you add a new subdir of tests to data-r2, please also update the super manifest (manifest-evaluation.ttl)

15:28:38 [jeen]

(i've already added the subdirs we just approved)

15:28:41 [AndyS]

Ack

15:30:07 [jeen]

no prob; I'm probably the only who actually uses that file in his test framework :)

15:30:09 [AndyS]

ARQ passs 18/18 after all updated

15:30:25 [LeeF]

EricP passes them too

15:31:25 [jeen]

I have to jump some hoops to run tests in data/

15:31:41 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve the 18 tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/OpenWorld/

15:31:49 [LeeF]

EricP seconds

15:31:57 [LeeF]

resolved

15:32:11 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to move OpenWorld tests to data-r2, add comments, mark as approved, add to super manifest

15:32:33 [LeeF]

adjourned

15:32:34 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:32:45 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:32:50 [Zakim]

-jeen

15:32:59 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:32:59 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-minutes.html LeeF

15:33:07 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, make logs world access

15:33:07 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs world access', LeeF. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:33:15 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, makes logs world-access

15:33:15 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes logs world-access', LeeF. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:33:23 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:47:07 [ericP]

[[

15:47:09 [ericP]

The SPARQL graph matching algorithm requires no inference and

15:47:09 [ericP]

corresponds to Graph Equivalence and Literal Equality from the RDF

15:47:09 [ericP]

Concepts document. However, this graph may be the product of inference

15:47:09 [ericP]

or normalization. XPath value comparisons expressed in the FILTER

15:47:12 [ericP]

constraints provide the expressivity the commentor requested.

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]]

16:10:20 [Zakim]

-EricP

16:10:22 [Zakim]

-LeeF

16:10:24 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were AndyS, LeeF, Chimezie_Ogbuji, EricP, jeen

16:10:36 [LeeF]

rrsagent, bye

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES] [2]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-43-14

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to walk through one full example of representing an algebraic expression using the XPath-based facet stuff [DONE] [3]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-43-30

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS+EricP: Run through an example in yacker [DONE] [4]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-44-14

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ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES] [5]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-44-21

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [6]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-44-30

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES] [7]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-44-45

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [8]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-44-57

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES] [9]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-45-05

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [CONTINUES] [10]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-45-15

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ACTION: LeeF to mark optional-filter tests approved [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T14-55-15

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to mark http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest.ttl approved, and add rdfs:comments [12]

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T15-17-26

16:10:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to move OpenWorld tests to data-r2, add comments, mark as approved, add to super manifest [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-dawg-irc#T15-32-11

16:10:42 [LeeF]

zakim, bye

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