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20:23:30 <MSM-SEA> Pratul calls meeting to order ...
20:23:36 <MSM-SEA> agenda:  PLH on w3c process
20:23:58 <MSM-SEA> Pratul Dublish on SML
20:24:08 <MSM-SEA> John Arwe on SML Interchange Format
20:24:13 <MSM-SEA> then we'll walk through the specs
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20:26:47 <Pratul> q+
20:27:03 <MSM-SEA> [If we want queue management, we need Zakim.]
20:27:05 <plh> Present: Pratul, Jijay, Sandy, Paul, Kirk, Virginia, James, Philippe, Michael, Marvin, Zulah, Brian\
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20:27:17 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2007/Talks/0506-sb-w3cintro/Overview.html
20:28:33 <MSM-SEA> [John Arwe arrives]
20:28:59 <MSM-SEA> PLH walks through Steve Bratt's slides, with emphasis on the process ...
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20:44:57 <Paul> time
20:50:07 <MSM-SEA> PD: how do we evangelize and get more members?
20:50:30 <MSM-SEA> PLH: talk to likely organizations individually, present the technology at the Tech Plenary ...
20:54:24 <MSM-SEA> Pratul:  presentation of SML
21:17:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html plh
21:19:34 <plh> s/Brian\\/Brian/
21:19:42 <plh> Chair: Pratul, John
21:19:46 <plh> Scribe: Marvin
21:20:14 <plh> Meeting: SML face-to-face meeting
21:20:25 <plh> trackbot-ng, status
21:22:45 <plh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0002.html
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21:29:25 <cgi-irc> zakim, this is sml
21:29:25 <Zakim> sorry, cgi-irc, I do not see a conference named 'sml' in progress or scheduled at this time
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21:44:39 <plh> scribe: marv
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21:50:43 <marv> scribe: marv
21:51:27 <plh> Present: Pratul, Jijay, Sandy, Paul, Kirk, Virginia, James, Philippe, Michael, Marvin, Zulah, Brian, Valentina
22:00:50 <plh> -> http://cmdbf.org/
22:01:13 <VijayIntel> Vijay from Intel is present too:)
22:01:36 <VijayIntel> Unless Jijay was meant to be Vijay
22:02:27 <plh> -> http://cmdbf.org/CMDB-Federation-white-paper-vision-v1.0.pdf The Federated CMDB Vision "A Joint White Paper from BMC, CA, Fujitsu, HP, IBM, and Microsoft"
22:03:13 <Paul> query kirk test -- is this the way to to send a private msg?
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22:29:09 <marv> Kirk: Is there a reason SML ref is not compatible with XPATH 2.0 ?
22:29:30 <marv> Pratul: We did not look at 2.0 at the time
22:29:56 <marv> How is cyclic determined?
22:30:10 <marv> Documents are nodes, references are edges. A cycle exists when the ref chain points 
22:30:23 <marv> to a previously ref document.
22:30:44 <marv> Is SML closed under references?
22:31:16 <marv> Not, unless ‘targetRequired’ is set for each individual reference.. 
22:31:34 <marv> Can you restrict deref values?
22:32:31 <marv> Yes, as part of the expression.
22:33:23 <marv> Is ‘deref(Courses)’ in the presentation a simplification for deref(Courses/course)?
22:33:36 <marv> Yes.
22:33:55 <marv> What if there are two references in one deref’d node?
22:34:15 <marv> The xpath selector decides.
22:34:35 <marv> What is intended deployment environment for SML and models? 
22:34:52 <marv> From MS perspective, we wanted to build models of IT systems. But the spec has 
22:35:12 <marv> nothing to do with that use case. 
22:35:33 <marv> What does ‘SML based’ mean?
22:35:52 <marv> CMDB uses SML models to validate IT configurations and we say it is SML based.
22:36:14 <marv> Can SML ref attribute have a declared default?
22:37:27 <marv> It defaults to true. 
22:38:25 <marv> Pratul's presentation ends.
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22:41:55 <marv> John's presentation begins
22:45:02 <marv> Michael: Define incomplete?
22:46:32 <marv> John: Can't say what complete is, so we must allow incomplete.
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22:49:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html plh
22:50:22 <plh> s/John's/Topic: John's/
22:52:43 <plh> i/Chair:/Topic: Pratul presentation on SML/
22:53:27 <plh> i|http://www.w3.org/2007/|Topic: W3C Process Overview|
22:53:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html plh
23:01:03 <plh> Regrets: Bassam
23:07:15 <marv> Paul: Will presentations be emailed out?
23:08:43 <marv> John/Michael: They will be archived in some open way-- html, pdf-- and url made available.
23:09:42 <marv> Michael: Rationale for document requirement?
23:10:06 <marv> John: Historical, unsure.
23:10:39 <MSM-SEA> s/document requirement/requirement for identifying 'root' documents/
23:14:23 <plh> Topic: Editors
23:14:47 <plh> Resolution: Valentina, Virginia, Marvin, Bassam
23:18:48 <Sandy> s/Bassam/Bassam, Jim
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23:33:32 <plh> rrsagent, where am I?
23:33:32 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T23-33-32
23:35:24 <plh> rrsagent, bye
23:35:24 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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23:35:59 <MSM-SEA> second test ...
23:36:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html plh
23:41:25 <plh> trackbot-ng, status
23:42:32 <plh> ACTION Philippe: demonstrate the trackbot
23:47:26 <valentina> ack
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00:01:30 <plh> ACTION: Philippe to demonstrate the trackbot
00:01:30 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2 - Demonstrate the trackbot [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-06-19].
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00:03:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html plh
00:04:52 <plh> action-2 closed
00:04:52 <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet
00:07:56 <plh> rrsagent, help
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00:22:02 <marv> Kirk: Should validation be separated out?
00:25:11 <marv> Discussion -- More readable if the validation is mixed in, 
00:27:11 <marv> Michael: Introduction carries history of IT Management. Should introduction be clearer that it extends beyond IT? Cross doc validation in general.
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00:30:41 <marv> ACTION: Michael: Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize the introduction.
00:30:41 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Michael:
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00:31:45 <marv> s/Michael/msm/
00:34:49 <marv> Michael explains Bugzilla process
00:35:59 <marv> ACTION:  MSM-SEA : Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction
00:35:59 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM-SEA
00:37:52 <MSM-SEA> For the record, the issue is issue 4627, http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4627
00:40:40 <marv> ACTION: MSM-SEA: Set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately
00:40:40 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM-SEA:
00:41:31 <marv> MSM requests feedback on notification level from group
00:41:40 <plh> ACTION:  Michael to open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction
00:41:42 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-3 - Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-19].
00:41:58 <plh> ACTION: Michael to set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately
00:41:58 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-4 - Set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-19].
00:43:26 <marv> What about Schema 1.1?
00:44:44 <marv> John: Mark introduction as non-normative
00:46:28 <marv> ACTION to marv As editor, designate normative and non-normative sections in editing
00:48:39 <marv> ACTION: marv to designate normative and non-normative sections when editing.
00:48:39 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - marv
00:49:23 <plh> trackbot-ng, status
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00:49:50 <plh> ACTION: Marvin to designate normative and non-normative sections when editing.
00:49:50 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-5 - Designate normative and non-normative sections when editing. [on Marvin Waschke - due 2007-06-19].
00:51:17 <marv> Michael:  XML 1.0 v XML 1.1 need explicit statement
00:52:53 <marv> Valentina: Align SML and SML-IF terminology
00:53:52 <marv> Valentina: 'Rules' must be defined more completely, 
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00:56:40 <marv> John: Model Definition should become Model Def Document
00:57:40 <marv> John: Further explain SML model
00:58:35 <marv> John: Definition of 'complete'
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01:04:52 <marv> rrsagent, generate minutes
01:04:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html marv
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01:07:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html plh
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01:07:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html plh
01:08:52 <plh> zakim, bye
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01:09:24 <plh> rrsagent, bye
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-actions.rdf :
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Philippe to demonstrate the trackbot [1]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T23-42-32
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Philippe to demonstrate the trackbot [2]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-01-30
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael: Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize the introduction. [3]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-30-41
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MSM-SEA : Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction [4]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-35-59
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MSM-SEA: Set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately [5]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-40-40
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction [6]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-41-40
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately [7]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-41-58
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: marv to designate normative and non-normative sections when editing. [8]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-48-39
01:09:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marvin to designate normative and non-normative sections when editing. [9]
01:09:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-irc#T00-49-50