IRC log of ua on 2007-06-07

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17:49:28 [AllanJ]

zakim, this will be wai_u

17:49:28 [Zakim]

ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

17:49:42 [AllanJ]

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title: UAWG telecon

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chair: Jim Allan

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scribe: JR

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Sctibe: JR

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Scribe: JR

17:51:50 [AllanJ]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007AprJun/0051.html

17:52:17 [Zakim]

WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started

17:52:24 [Zakim]

+allanj

17:52:58 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

17:53:25 [JR]

zakim, [Microsoft] is really KFord

17:53:25 [Zakim]

+KFord; got it

17:54:27 [Zakim]

+??P2

17:54:50 [JR]

zakim, ??P2 is really KFord

17:54:50 [Zakim]

+KFord; got it

17:54:59 [JR]

zakim, ??P2 is really JR

17:54:59 [Zakim]

+JR; got it

18:01:00 [JR]

zakim, who's your daddy?

18:01:00 [Zakim]

Ralph is taking good care of me but you all are my family, JR

18:02:44 [Zakim]

+[IBM]

18:03:07 [AllanJ]

zakim, [IBM} is cklaws

18:03:07 [Zakim]

sorry, AllanJ, I do not recognize a party named '[IBM}'

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18:03:19 [AllanJ]

zakim, [IBM] is cklaws

18:03:19 [Zakim]

+cklaws; got it

18:04:32 [JR]

zakim, who's not making any sense?

18:04:32 [Zakim]

I refrain from answering on grounds of self-preservation, JR

18:05:15 [cklaws]

http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer

18:05:20 [JR]

CL: Announcement that IBM changing Accessibility focus...

18:05:40 [JR]

CL: Not going to work on infrastructure any more...

18:06:03 [JR]

CL: Will focus on accessibility of programs etc. running on top of platform...

18:06:18 [JR]

CL: Plus ARIA, etc.

18:07:40 [JR]

CL: Most stuff will still be out there.

18:09:01 [JR]

CL: In short term will remain in UAAG

18:10:33 [cklaws]

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2007-June/msg00000.html

18:11:44 [JR]

Topic: Comments on UAAG - TEITAC mapping

18:11:57 [JR]

JA: http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/uaag-teitac-proposal2.htm

18:12:46 [JR]

JA: WAI would like to see some harmonization between TEITAC and WAI recs

18:13:31 [JR]

JA: WCAG harmony is going ahead but uaag is somewhat behind some other work so we may end up borrowing from that

18:14:02 [JR]

Topic: Structure UAAG 2.0 similar to ATAG 2.0

18:14:25 [JR]

JA: Thought lots about perceivable-operable etc....

18:14:47 [JR]

JA: Went back and looked at AG's comments and Web Components doc.

18:14:57 [JR]

JA: Maybe Al has a point...

18:15:19 [JR]

JA: Seems like we have to define user agent then define roles off of that.

18:15:37 [JR]

JA: User agent sits in the middle but also sits on top of the AT and operating system

18:16:14 [JR]

JA: Went back to thinking about model-view-controller idea

18:17:06 [JR]

CL: Another picture that CL and Rich presented at CSUN...

18:17:19 [JR]

CL: Still need to send it out...

18:18:38 [JR]

CL: 1.5 MB for whole PPT...

18:18:56 [JR]

CL: Will drop in the one slide

18:19:46 [JR]

CL: Clarification: It's IBM's linux focus that's changing, not IBM's approach in general

18:21:17 [JR]

JA: User agent can be a platform on a platform...

18:22:10 [JR]

KF: Have been browsing the Web on my cellphone, very different base assumptions.

18:22:56 [JR]

JA: We have tried to think about other user agents but haven't always kept that focus.

18:23:28 [JR]

KF: Frustrated that some easy things in desktop are hard on cell phone.

18:23:59 [JR]

KF: Brings up where dividing line should be between user agent and AT.

18:24:59 [JR]

JA: Noticing same type of dividing line issue remains betewwn user agent things vs web content things.

18:25:41 [JR]

JA: Should we work on designing principles or just jump right into the work.

18:26:00 [JR]

CL: Sometmes do need to work low down before understanding higher level.

18:26:58 [JR]

CL: Had hard time seeing requirments fitting into the 4 guideline scheme

18:27:38 [JR]

CL: Static web, vs web app also complicates

18:29:11 [JR]

CL: Keyboard nav much more comple in ARIA apps...

18:29:21 [JR]

JA: OK so where are we...

18:29:34 [JR]

JA: Went through all requirments once...

18:29:44 [JR]

JA: Did map to TEITAC

18:29:57 [JR]

JA: DId map to older WCAG 2.0

18:30:59 [JR]

JA: Programmatically determined...All about responsibility of Wb author.

18:31:46 [JR]

CL: UAAG will eventually help them make list...

18:32:05 [JR]

JA: Whole Robust part of WCAG involves UA's

18:32:32 [JR]

JA: So some chunks already one

18:32:35 [JR]

done

18:33:47 [JR]

CL: Had conversation with Andi S-W...

18:34:09 [JR]

CL: Sent her the new UAAG requirements doc, plus proposal for JR...

18:34:38 [JR]

CL: But if still not sure of TOC, maybe still not ready to start.

18:38:07 [JR]

JR: Suggest we update the reqs....

18:38:52 [JR]

JR: First and then think about the TOC in parallel

18:39:06 [JR]

CL: But first we need to review new WCAG 2.0 for next week.

18:39:32 [JR]

JA: Let's start doing this on the list....

18:39:40 [JR]

JA: e.g. start with GL 1...

18:41:17 [JR]

JR: OK - we need to start an Editor's draft.

18:41:45 [JR]

JA: What about a wiki.

18:42:04 [JR]

All: Good idea.

18:43:26 [JR]

Action JR: Contact WCAG-GL about how to set up Wiki.

18:44:32 [JR]

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

18:45:45 [AllanJ]

w3 siki http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/TableAccessibility

18:46:36 [JR]

JA:There is a W3 wiki

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http://esw.w3.org/topic/FrontPage

18:47:13 [JR]

Topic: Contacting other people to join group

18:47:24 [JR]

JA: Have contacted but no repsonses yet

18:48:38 [JR]

JA: But once we start wiki and get more traffic going, it should help

18:50:02 [JR]

JA: Tries logging in.

18:50:36 [JR]

JA: Seems ok

18:50:44 [JR]

JA: Any other tools need?

18:51:08 [JR]

Action JA, JR: Set up wiki space for the group.

18:51:46 [JR]

JA: Send WCAG comments to the list over the coming week

18:51:59 [JR]

Action All: WCAG comments for next call

18:53:35 [JR]

Action JA JR: Set up wiki space for the group.

18:53:45 [JR]

Action: JA, JR Set up wiki space for the group.

18:54:47 [JR]

Action KF: Will look at Perceivavle and Operable.

18:55:17 [JR]

Action: JA, JR Polish up requirements document.

18:55:18 [Zakim]

-KFord

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-cklaws

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-allanj

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-JR

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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended

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Attendees were allanj, KFord, JR, cklaws

18:56:01 [JR]

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-minutes.html JR

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Zakim, bye

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: JR to Contact WCAG-GL about how to set up Wiki. [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-43-26

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ACTION: All to WCAG comments for next call [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-51-59

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ACTION: JA, JR Set up wiki space for the group. [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-53-45

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ACTION: KF to Will look at Perceivavle and Operable. [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-54-47

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ACTION: JA, JR Polish up requirements document. [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-55-17