17:49:16 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:49:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc 17:49:28 zakim, this will be wai_u 17:49:28 ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes 17:49:42 rrsagent, make logs public 17:49:58 title: UAWG telecon 17:50:06 chair: Jim Allan 17:50:14 scribe: JR 17:50:55 JR has joined #ua 17:51:26 Sctibe: JR 17:51:32 KFord has joined #ua 17:51:36 Scribe: JR 17:51:50 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007AprJun/0051.html 17:52:17 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:52:24 +allanj 17:52:58 +[Microsoft] 17:53:25 zakim, [Microsoft] is really KFord 17:53:25 +KFord; got it 17:54:27 +??P2 17:54:50 zakim, ??P2 is really KFord 17:54:50 +KFord; got it 17:54:59 zakim, ??P2 is really JR 17:54:59 +JR; got it 18:01:00 zakim, who's your daddy? 18:01:00 Ralph is taking good care of me but you all are my family, JR 18:02:44 +[IBM] 18:03:07 zakim, [IBM} is cklaws 18:03:07 sorry, AllanJ, I do not recognize a party named '[IBM}' 18:03:10 cklaws has joined #ua 18:03:19 zakim, [IBM] is cklaws 18:03:19 +cklaws; got it 18:04:32 zakim, who's not making any sense? 18:04:32 I refrain from answering on grounds of self-preservation, JR 18:05:15 http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer 18:05:20 CL: Announcement that IBM changing Accessibility focus... 18:05:40 CL: Not going to work on infrastructure any more... 18:06:03 CL: Will focus on accessibility of programs etc. running on top of platform... 18:06:18 CL: Plus ARIA, etc. 18:07:40 CL: Most stuff will still be out there. 18:09:01 CL: In short term will remain in UAAG 18:10:33 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2007-June/msg00000.html 18:11:44 Topic: Comments on UAAG - TEITAC mapping 18:11:57 JA: http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/uaag-teitac-proposal2.htm 18:12:46 JA: WAI would like to see some harmonization between TEITAC and WAI recs 18:13:31 JA: WCAG harmony is going ahead but uaag is somewhat behind some other work so we may end up borrowing from that 18:14:02 Topic: Structure UAAG 2.0 similar to ATAG 2.0 18:14:25 JA: Thought lots about perceivable-operable etc.... 18:14:47 JA: Went back and looked at AG's comments and Web Components doc. 18:14:57 JA: Maybe Al has a point... 18:15:19 JA: Seems like we have to define user agent then define roles off of that. 18:15:37 JA: User agent sits in the middle but also sits on top of the AT and operating system 18:16:14 JA: Went back to thinking about model-view-controller idea 18:17:06 CL: Another picture that CL and Rich presented at CSUN... 18:17:19 CL: Still need to send it out... 18:18:38 CL: 1.5 MB for whole PPT... 18:18:56 CL: Will drop in the one slide 18:19:46 CL: Clarification: It's IBM's linux focus that's changing, not IBM's approach in general 18:21:17 JA: User agent can be a platform on a platform... 18:22:10 KF: Have been browsing the Web on my cellphone, very different base assumptions. 18:22:56 JA: We have tried to think about other user agents but haven't always kept that focus. 18:23:28 KF: Frustrated that some easy things in desktop are hard on cell phone. 18:23:59 KF: Brings up where dividing line should be between user agent and AT. 18:24:59 JA: Noticing same type of dividing line issue remains betewwn user agent things vs web content things. 18:25:41 JA: Should we work on designing principles or just jump right into the work. 18:26:00 CL: Sometmes do need to work low down before understanding higher level. 18:26:58 CL: Had hard time seeing requirments fitting into the 4 guideline scheme 18:27:38 CL: Static web, vs web app also complicates 18:29:11 CL: Keyboard nav much more comple in ARIA apps... 18:29:21 JA: OK so where are we... 18:29:34 JA: Went through all requirments once... 18:29:44 JA: Did map to TEITAC 18:29:57 JA: DId map to older WCAG 2.0 18:30:59 JA: Programmatically determined...All about responsibility of Wb author. 18:31:46 CL: UAAG will eventually help them make list... 18:32:05 JA: Whole Robust part of WCAG involves UA's 18:32:32 JA: So some chunks already one 18:32:35 done 18:33:47 CL: Had conversation with Andi S-W... 18:34:09 CL: Sent her the new UAAG requirements doc, plus proposal for JR... 18:34:38 CL: But if still not sure of TOC, maybe still not ready to start. 18:38:07 JR: Suggest we update the reqs.... 18:38:52 JR: First and then think about the TOC in parallel 18:39:06 CL: But first we need to review new WCAG 2.0 for next week. 18:39:32 JA: Let's start doing this on the list.... 18:39:40 JA: e.g. start with GL 1... 18:41:17 JR: OK - we need to start an Editor's draft. 18:41:45 JA: What about a wiki. 18:42:04 All: Good idea. 18:43:26 Action JR: Contact WCAG-GL about how to set up Wiki. 18:44:32 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page 18:45:45 w3 siki http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/TableAccessibility 18:46:36 JA:There is a W3 wiki 18:46:55 http://esw.w3.org/topic/FrontPage 18:47:13 Topic: Contacting other people to join group 18:47:24 JA: Have contacted but no repsonses yet 18:48:38 JA: But once we start wiki and get more traffic going, it should help 18:50:02 JA: Tries logging in. 18:50:36 JA: Seems ok 18:50:44 JA: Any other tools need? 18:51:08 Action JA, JR: Set up wiki space for the group. 18:51:46 JA: Send WCAG comments to the list over the coming week 18:51:59 Action All: WCAG comments for next call 18:53:35 Action JA JR: Set up wiki space for the group. 18:53:45 Action: JA, JR Set up wiki space for the group. 18:54:47 Action KF: Will look at Perceivavle and Operable. 18:55:17 Action: JA, JR Polish up requirements document. 18:55:18 -KFord 18:55:22 -cklaws 18:55:23 -allanj 18:55:46 -JR 18:55:47 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 18:55:49 Attendees were allanj, KFord, JR, cklaws 18:56:01 RRSAgent, make minutes 18:56:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-minutes.html JR 18:56:07 RRSAgent, set logs public 18:56:14 Zakim, bye 18:56:15 Zakim has left #ua 18:56:53 RRSAgent, bye 18:56:53 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-actions.rdf : 18:56:53 ACTION: JR to Contact WCAG-GL about how to set up Wiki. [1] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-43-26 18:56:53 ACTION: All to WCAG comments for next call [2] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-51-59 18:56:53 ACTION: JA, JR Set up wiki space for the group. [3] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-53-45 18:56:53 ACTION: KF to Will look at Perceivavle and Operable. [4] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-54-47 18:56:53 ACTION: JA, JR Polish up requirements document. [5] 18:56:53 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/07-ua-irc#T18-55-17