IRC log of i18nits on 2007-06-06

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meeting: i18n ITS WG

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0045.html

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Yves_Savourel

14:01:27 [YvesS]

zakim, who is there?

14:01:27 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, YvesS.

14:01:32 [YvesS]

zakim, who is here?

14:01:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Yves_Savourel

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On IRC I see Jirka, fsasaki, chriLi, RRSAgent, Zakim, YvesS

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+ +420.4.824.0.aaaa

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-Yves_Savourel

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+Yves_Savourel

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+Felix

14:02:27 [Jirka]

zakim, +420 is Jirka

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sorry, Jirka, I do not recognize a party named '+420'

14:02:59 [fsasaki]

topic: action items

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action: Felix to check language data type in XML Schema (DONE)

14:03:19 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0042.html

14:04:10 [fsasaki]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0049.html

14:05:38 [fsasaki]

Yves: done , we need to pick this up for BP 1

14:05:52 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to contact JIS people in Japan about possiblity of "ITS as JIS" (DONE)

14:05:57 [fsasaki]

Yves: Felix waiting for reply

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action: Felix to find IBM contact for ITS (DONE)

14:07:16 [fsasaki]

Felix: not specific person found, will contact IBM AC rep

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action: Felix to contact IBM AC rep

14:07:49 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to tweak XSLT to generate automatic example numbering and titleing like "Example 7: Better design" (DONE)

14:07:59 [fsasaki]

Yves: maybe the markup was wrong

14:08:10 [fsasaki]

Felix: we should just use specref

14:08:26 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to update status section for each new BP WD publicatation with 1) BP which need review and 2) BP which we think are finished. (ONGOING)

14:08:39 [fsasaki]

action: Jirka to draft a mail for contacting editors vendors for ITS (PENDING)

14:09:29 [chriLi]

Hi all, I already informed Yves I have just been called to a different meeting

14:09:56 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to contact Najib and Felix about BP 2 (DROPPED)

14:10:09 [fsasaki]

Yves: we do this like the way we did for the tagset doc

14:10:59 [fsasaki]

.. Jirka mentioned that this has mabye a stylesheet issue

14:11:12 [fsasaki]

Felix: Jirka wanted to change the stylesheet?

14:11:25 [fsasaki]

Jirka: the xmlspec-i18n-its-techniques.xsl yes

14:11:39 [fsasaki]

Felix: fine by me

14:11:52 [fsasaki]

Jirka: try to generate HTML to see the differences

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action: Jirka to tweak XSLT about including examples

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action: Jirka to fix DocBook issues mentioned by Christian (DONE)

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action: Jirka to integrate the DocBook section into the BP document (DONE)

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#docbook

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Jirka: only some example code misssing

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Yves: looks good to me

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Felix: +!

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s/!/1/

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action: Yves to contact some ISO people about the "ITS as ISO standard" topic (DONE)

14:16:42 [fsasaki]

Yves: not very useful feedback so far, only pointers to ISO process

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.. should we close ISO discussion for now?

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Felix: let's wait for feedback from Japan

14:17:54 [fsasaki]

action: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (DONE)

14:18:13 [fsasaki]

Yves: updated the review page

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action: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (ONGONG)

14:18:35 [fsasaki]

Yves: TMX done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0046.html

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s/ONGONG/ONGOING/

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action: Felix to provide feedback on whether we need to look at XPath 2.0 Req/Use case and Web Service addressing (DONE)

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AIs not mentioned are PENDING

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topic: Reviewing W3C Work for ITS

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Yves: new drafts?

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Felix: only mobileOK tests, not relevant to ITS

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Yves: we'll keep SRX and XLIFF

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topic: BP discussion

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevLang

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Yves: Christian said he has nothing to add for this BP

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Felix: propose to add a link to http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd

14:23:54 [fsasaki]

Yves: we don't need a warning about the language data type?

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Felix: yes, people can use the XML Schema data type or CDATA for DTDs

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action: Yves to rework note about type for xml:lang in BP 1

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now BP 2

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevDir

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Felix: The title says "פעילות הבינאום, W3C" in Hebrew. might need to be marked up as an example

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action: Yves to markup "פעילות הבינאום, W3C" as an example

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topic: BP 3 and following if time allows (not on the agenda, discussed during the meeting)

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(Yves reads the BP)

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Jirka: in BP 2, we need an link to [Unicode in XML]

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Yves: I'll do that, thanks

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Felix: need to look why example is not auto generated in:

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"Note: In many occurences, moving translatable text from attribute value to element content can result in having a sentence embedded within another one. For instance, in the *exampe 7*"

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Felix: check specref for references to examples

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action: Felix to check specref for references to examples

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Yves: do we need the reference to [Unicode in XML] here?

14:39:17 [fsasaki]

.. maybe better for BP 2, in the "Reference links"

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Felix: +1

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Moving to BP 4

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-Jirka

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Felix: propose to put "to improve translation throughput" after "exceptions"

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topic: AOB

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Yves: will send a mail saying we went through BP 3 and 4

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.. we work on 5 and 6 for next time

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.. people need to look at 5 and 6 in addition to 3 and 4

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Felix: let's see how many comments come for the BPs

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Yves: another "AOB":

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.. maybe useful to have an ITS rules repository

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.. people could provide rules for their format

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.. not as official rules for a schema, only as examples

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.. can be explained by a disclaimer on the main page

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.. page of ITS WG saying "these are example rules, send us yours if you want"

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Felix: to have a directory under /International/its ?

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Yves: yes

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.. I'll work on that later

14:52:42 [YvesS]

any other bussiness Jirka?

14:53:09 [YvesS]

ok

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bye all

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-Yves_Savourel

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-Felix

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, +420.4.824.0.aaaa, Felix, Jirka

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present+ Christian (on IRC), Felix, Jirka, Yves

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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I see 18 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Felix to check language data type in XML Schema (DONE) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-03-17

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ACTION: Felix to contact JIS people in Japan about possiblity of "ITS as JIS" (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-05-52

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Felix to find IBM contact for ITS (DONE) [3]

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-06-56

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ACTION: Felix to contact IBM AC rep [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-07-27

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ACTION: Felix to tweak XSLT to generate automatic example numbering and titleing like "Example 7: Better design" (DONE) [5]

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-07-49

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ACTION: Felix to update status section for each new BP WD publicatation with 1) BP which need review and 2) BP which we think are finished. (ONGOING) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-08-26

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ACTION: Jirka to draft a mail for contacting editors vendors for ITS (PENDING) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-08-39

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ACTION: Felix to contact Najib and Felix about BP 2 (DROPPED) [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-09-56

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ACTION: Jirka to tweak XSLT about including examples [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-12-38

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ACTION: Jirka to fix DocBook issues mentioned by Christian (DONE) [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-14-03

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ACTION: Jirka to integrate the DocBook section into the BP document (DONE) [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-14-27

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ACTION: Yves to contact some ISO people about the "ITS as ISO standard" topic (DONE) [12]

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-16-20

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ACTION: Everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result format for potential ITS review (DONE) [13]

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-17-54

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2, SRX 2 (ONGONG) [14]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-18-23

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Felix to provide feedback on whether we need to look at XPath 2.0 Req/Use case and Web Service addressing (DONE) [15]

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-19-08

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Yves to rework note about type for xml:lang in BP 1 [16]

14:59:53 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-25-33

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ACTION: Yves to markup "פעילות הבינאום, W3C" as an example [17]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-28-12

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ACTION: Felix to check specref for references to examples [18]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-i18nits-irc#T14-38-02

14:59:54 [fsasaki]

zakim, bye

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