IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-06-06

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DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 6 Jun http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda

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Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda

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working on it, DanC

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agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-06-06T11:00-0400

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agendum 9 added

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agenda+ #issue-base-param

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agendum 10 added

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agenda+ GRDDL in XML-pipeline

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agendum 11 added

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agenda+ pending GRDDL spec edits

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agendum 12 added

15:02:27 [DanC]

Zakim, this will be grddl

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agenda+ Implementation Report, toward PR request

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agendum 13 added

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agenda+ Primer

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agendum 14 added

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agenda+ Advocating/Logo

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agendum 15 added

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done reading agenda, DanC

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SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started

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+FabienG

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ok, DanC, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM already started

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+Ian_Davis

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Zakim, take up item 1

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-FabienG

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+FabienG

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agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-30T11:00-0400" taken up [from jjc]

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+??P38

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Zakim, clear agenda

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agenda cleared

15:03:30 [DanC]

Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda

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working on it, DanC

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agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-06-06T11:00-0400

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agendum 1 added

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agenda+ #issue-base-param

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Zakim, ??P38 is me

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agendum 2 added

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agenda+ GRDDL in XML-pipeline

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agendum 3 added

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agenda+ pending GRDDL spec edits

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Zakim, who's on the phone?

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agendum 4 added

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agenda+ Implementation Report, toward PR request

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agendum 5 added

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agenda+ Primer

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agendum 6 added

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agenda+ Advocating/Logo

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agendum 7 added

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done reading agenda, DanC

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+DanC

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+jjc; got it

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On the phone I see FabienG, Ian_Davis, jjc, DanC

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Zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-06-06T11:00-0400" taken up

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+Chimezie_Ogbuji

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/att-0104/2007-05-30-grddl-wg-minutes.html minutes 30 May

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RESOLVED: to approve minutes 30 May

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minutes proposed and approved

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regrets: Harry, Simone, Danny

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regrets Harry, Simone, Danny John

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regrets: Harry, Simone, Danny, John

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PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 13 June 11:00-0400. scribe volunteer?

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scribe for next week: Chime

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scibe: jjc

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* ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4 [DONE]

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* ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1 [DONE]

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ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4

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ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1

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agenda + #issue-faithful-infoset

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 2. "#issue-base-param" taken up

15:08:25 [FabienG]

q+ to propose to invite David Booth to our telecon as external expert.

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ACTION: jjc to e-mail Dave Beckett with not a bug in the spec, but maybe in some stylesheets [DONE]

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ack FabienG

15:08:53 [Zakim]

FabienG, you wanted to propose to invite David Booth to our telecon as external expert.

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discussion of Fabien's suggestion

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Fabien reports that Murray spoke with David, but it seems to have been unproductive

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inconclusive, rather

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the chair is inclined not to invite David this week, open for next week

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ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl [CONTINUES]

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+??P0

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Zakim, ??P0 is rreck

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+rreck; got it

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Zakim, ??P0 is Ron

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I already had ??P0 as rreck, jjc

15:14:10 [DanC]

ACTION: Chime to respond to David on issue-dbooth-9a: GRDDL should be usable in a messaging pipeline [WITHDRAWN]

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. ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative.

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-rreck

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ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. [CONTINUES]

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ACTION: jjc to respond to DBooth with text in agenda and with reference to base-uri document

15:17:48 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item infoset

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agendum 8. "#issue-faithful-infoset" taken up [from DanC]

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+??P0

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Zakim, ??P0 is rreck

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+rreck; got it

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Chime: asks what does a postponed issue mean?

15:19:46 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

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On the phone I see FabienG, Ian_Davis, jjc, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck

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DanC: it means we haven't solved it, but we can meet our requirements without solving it

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Dan asks for advice to the chair about reopening the issue faithful infoset?

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reopen/reopen+postpone/reopen+postpone/reopen+postpone/concur+postpone/postpone

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-rreck

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DanC reopens the issue #faithful-infoset

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David has just e-mailed list

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0037

15:23:18 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-faithful-infoset

15:23:36 [chimezie]

I'd like to go on record as saying that I *don't* think it is an issue, but the risk on our schedule is substantial if we don't raise/postpone

15:23:58 [jjc]

chime that can be expressed as a concur in the formal vote

15:25:12 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Dec/0004.html Re: First draft of agenda for f2f (xmlFunctions-34 , RDFinXHTML-35, GRDDL, and XInclude)

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15:27:16 [DanC]

PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting @@relevant tests and MM's health-warning, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset

15:29:09 [DanC]

PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting @@relevant tests and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset

15:29:24 [chimezie]

ACTION: chime, to advise XProc WG on how (specifically) XInclude can be properly deferred to XProc by passing on the XML document (not the infoset or XPath DM) to the transformation

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tests: #xinclude and #noxinclude

15:30:14 [DanC]

PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting tests #xinclude and #noxinclude and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset

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jeremy seconds

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+ +1.703.861.aaaa

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discussion about xmlFunctions-34

15:31:40 [iand]

http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#xmlFunctions-34

15:31:57 [chimezie]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/12/11-minutes#item07

15:32:05 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#xmlFunctions-34

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Dan anyone want to discuss xmlFunctions-34?

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+Murray_Maloney

15:38:01 [DanC]

RESOLVED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting tests #xinclude and #noxinclude and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset

15:38:03 [jjc]

Chime: concurs

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Fabien: concurs

15:38:27 [chimezie]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:38:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see FabienG, Ian_Davis, jjc, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.703.861.aaaa, Murray_Maloney

15:39:36 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0078.html issue-dbooth-3: Ambiguity in an XML document's intended GRDDL results

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we could decide to respond without further discussion, or to try and frame our response in terms of his words

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Murray indicates that there were framing difficulties

15:45:51 [chimezie]

During the conversation with D.Booth, he seemed amenable to a solution (which would not be GRDDL) where the transformation is passed the representation (Pre-infoset/XPath DM) to the transformation instead of the XPath DM

15:47:13 [chimezie]

this is the only way the XProc solution would even be relevant

15:48:10 [DanC]

it's noted that the comment is outstanding

15:48:15 [DanC]

Zakim, close this agendum

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agendum 8 closed

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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. #issue-base-param

15:48:21 [DanC]

Zakim, close item 2

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agendum 2, #issue-base-param, closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. GRDDL in XML-pipeline

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "GRDDL in XML-pipeline" taken up

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-Murray_Maloney

15:50:45 [jjc]

To use a GRDDL aware agent in a processing pipeline, as well as the XPath node N, it is also necessary to specify a corresponding IRI I. This is used as the base IRI when the other mechanisms do not apply. This corresponds to section 5.1.4 of RFC 3986. It is even possible for the default IRI used to bear no relationship with the XPath node N, but in such a case, we read:

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As this definition is necessarily application-dependent, failing to define a base URI by using one of the other methods may result in the same content being interpreted differently by different types of applications.

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A sender of a representation containing relative references is responsible for ensuring that a base URI for those references can be established.

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[that's text from the current version of the base doc]

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]]

15:52:45 [chimezie]

that addresses the pipeline scenario, as far as I'm concerned

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 4. "pending GRDDL spec edits" taken up

15:56:48 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0054 review of namespace doc

15:57:19 [jjc]

consideration of I as per booth's comment - it looks like a correct comment

15:57:31 [jjc]

the base-URI of the node N is used, but I itself is not

15:58:02 [DanC]

"The namespace document includes RDF data about the terms in the GRDDL Vocabulary, but these RDF data do not include any triples whose predicate is grddl:profileTransformation."

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ACTION DanC: incorporate 0054 comments into namespace doc. (consider notifying Dave Beckett)

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 5. "Implementation Report, toward PR request" taken up

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jclark4 1.14 Tue May 29 13:48:32 2007 UTC

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- +1.703.861.aaaa

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i have to go tech problems

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discussion of table:

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jeremy suggests grouping the related tests together so that the n/a's are clearly explicable

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ACTION: HH to ask Dom to check his XSLT against current GRDDL tests [CONTINUES]

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HH made some progress

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-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests

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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#xinclude

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labels: xml,merge

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ACTION DanC: review test coverage results via tabulator

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ACTION: jjc review appendix A of test editors draft

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ACTION: chimezie to start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature). [DONE]

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ACTION: jjc to clarify to discussion participants on RDFa that it is not formal comments [DONE]

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ACTION: HarryH to start an index of tests by issue [WITHDRAWN]

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ACTION: john to produce new EARL output including #error1 [CONTINUES]

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ACTION: jjc to produce new EARL output including #error1 [CONTINUES]

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ACTION: john to update result page [CONTINUES]

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ACTION: jeremy to email back to the XSL/XQuery working group re error handling [DONE]

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Zakim, take up item primer

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agendum 6. "Primer" taken up

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0014

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0075.html

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both these messages promise new primer text.

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discussion that Harry should be co-editor of primer (DanC, jjc)

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ACTION: jjc to clarify who expects what in primer from comments list

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ACTION: jjc to review primer [CONTINUES]

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-Chimezie_Ogbuji

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ACTION: danja to review primer [CONTINUES]

16:30:31 [DanC]

ACTION: john-l to draft an Excel spreadsheet primer section [CONTINUES]

16:36:16 [DanC]

some sentiment for making a WG decicion to go to PR in 3 weeks

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-FabienG

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-DanC

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-jjc

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-Ian_Davis

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SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were FabienG, Ian_Davis, DanC, jjc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, +1.703.861.aaaa, Murray_Maloney

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