15:01:04 RRSAgent has joined #grddl-wg 15:01:04 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-irc 15:01:14 DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 6 Jun http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda 15:01:58 Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda 15:02:11 working on it, DanC 15:02:13 agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-06-06T11:00-0400 15:02:15 agendum 9 added 15:02:17 agenda+ #issue-base-param 15:02:19 agendum 10 added 15:02:21 agenda+ GRDDL in XML-pipeline 15:02:23 agendum 11 added 15:02:25 agenda+ pending GRDDL spec edits 15:02:27 agendum 12 added 15:02:27 Zakim, this will be grddl 15:02:29 agenda+ Implementation Report, toward PR request 15:02:31 agendum 13 added 15:02:33 agenda+ Primer 15:02:37 agendum 14 added 15:02:39 agenda+ Advocating/Logo 15:02:41 agendum 15 added 15:02:43 done reading agenda, DanC 15:02:45 SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started 15:02:47 +FabienG 15:02:51 ok, DanC, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM already started 15:02:55 +Ian_Davis 15:02:55 Zakim, take up item 1 15:02:59 -FabienG 15:03:03 +FabienG 15:03:17 agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-30T11:00-0400" taken up [from jjc] 15:03:19 jjc has joined #grddl-wg 15:03:23 +??P38 15:03:26 Zakim, clear agenda 15:03:29 agenda cleared 15:03:30 Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda 15:03:33 working on it, DanC 15:03:35 agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-06-06T11:00-0400 15:03:37 agendum 1 added 15:03:41 agenda+ #issue-base-param 15:03:43 Zakim, ??P38 is me 15:03:45 agendum 2 added 15:03:47 agenda+ GRDDL in XML-pipeline 15:03:51 agendum 3 added 15:03:53 agenda+ pending GRDDL spec edits 15:03:56 Zakim, who's on the phone? 15:03:59 agendum 4 added 15:04:01 agenda+ Implementation Report, toward PR request 15:04:05 agendum 5 added 15:04:09 agenda+ Primer 15:04:13 agendum 6 added 15:04:15 agenda+ Advocating/Logo 15:04:17 agendum 7 added 15:04:19 done reading agenda, DanC 15:04:23 +DanC 15:04:25 +jjc; got it 15:04:27 On the phone I see FabienG, Ian_Davis, jjc, DanC 15:04:27 Zakim, take up item 1 15:04:31 agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-06-06T11:00-0400" taken up 15:05:04 +Chimezie_Ogbuji 15:05:40 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/att-0104/2007-05-30-grddl-wg-minutes.html minutes 30 May 15:05:45 iand has joined #grddl-wg 15:06:10 RESOLVED: to approve minutes 30 May 15:06:11 minutes proposed and approved 15:06:27 regrets: Harry, Simone, Danny 15:06:36 regrets Harry, Simone, Danny John 15:06:45 regrets: Harry, Simone, Danny, John 15:07:07 PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 13 June 11:00-0400. scribe volunteer? 15:07:23 scribe for next week: Chime 15:07:34 scibe: jjc 15:07:42 * ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4 [DONE] 15:07:42 * ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1 [DONE] 15:07:47 ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4 15:07:50 ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1 15:07:59 agenda + #issue-faithful-infoset 15:08:23 Zakim, next item 15:08:23 agendum 2. "#issue-base-param" taken up 15:08:25 q+ to propose to invite David Booth to our telecon as external expert. 15:08:42 ACTION: jjc to e-mail Dave Beckett with not a bug in the spec, but maybe in some stylesheets [DONE] 15:08:53 ack FabienG 15:08:53 FabienG, you wanted to propose to invite David Booth to our telecon as external expert. 15:11:09 discussion of Fabien's suggestion 15:11:47 Fabien reports that Murray spoke with David, but it seems to have been unproductive 15:12:31 inconclusive, rather 15:12:39 the chair is inclined not to invite David this week, open for next week 15:13:15 ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl [CONTINUES] 15:13:17 +??P0 15:13:38 Zakim, ??P0 is rreck 15:13:38 +rreck; got it 15:13:39 Zakim, ??P0 is Ron 15:13:40 I already had ??P0 as rreck, jjc 15:14:10 ACTION: Chime to respond to David on issue-dbooth-9a: GRDDL should be usable in a messaging pipeline [WITHDRAWN] 15:14:39 . ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. 15:15:24 -rreck 15:16:42 ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. [CONTINUES] 15:17:27 ACTION: jjc to respond to DBooth with text in agenda and with reference to base-uri document 15:17:48 Zakim, take up item infoset 15:17:48 agendum 8. "#issue-faithful-infoset" taken up [from DanC] 15:17:54 +??P0 15:18:31 Zakim, ??P0 is rreck 15:18:31 +rreck; got it 15:19:22 Chime: asks what does a postponed issue mean? 15:19:46 Zakim, who's on the phone? 15:19:46 On the phone I see FabienG, Ian_Davis, jjc, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck 15:20:18 DanC: it means we haven't solved it, but we can meet our requirements without solving it 15:20:48 Dan asks for advice to the chair about reopening the issue faithful infoset? 15:21:53 reopen/reopen+postpone/reopen+postpone/reopen+postpone/concur+postpone/postpone 15:21:54 -rreck 15:22:08 DanC reopens the issue #faithful-infoset 15:22:44 David has just e-mailed list 15:23:06 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0037 15:23:18 http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-faithful-infoset 15:23:36 I'd like to go on record as saying that I *don't* think it is an issue, but the risk on our schedule is substantial if we don't raise/postpone 15:23:58 chime that can be expressed as a concur in the formal vote 15:25:12 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Dec/0004.html Re: First draft of agenda for f2f (xmlFunctions-34 , RDFinXHTML-35, GRDDL, and XInclude) 15:26:27 rreck has joined #grddl-wg 15:27:16 PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting @@relevant tests and MM's health-warning, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset 15:29:09 PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting @@relevant tests and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset 15:29:24 ACTION: chime, to advise XProc WG on how (specifically) XInclude can be properly deferred to XProc by passing on the XML document (not the infoset or XPath DM) to the transformation 15:29:53 tests: #xinclude and #noxinclude 15:30:14 PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting tests #xinclude and #noxinclude and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset 15:30:36 jeremy seconds 15:31:26 + +1.703.861.aaaa 15:31:26 discussion about xmlFunctions-34 15:31:40 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#xmlFunctions-34 15:31:57 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/12/11-minutes#item07 15:32:05 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#xmlFunctions-34 15:34:40 Dan anyone want to discuss xmlFunctions-34? 15:34:51 +Murray_Maloney 15:38:01 RESOLVED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting tests #xinclude and #noxinclude and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset 15:38:03 Chime: concurs 15:38:10 Fabien: concurs 15:38:27 Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:38:27 On the phone I see FabienG, Ian_Davis, jjc, DanC, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.703.861.aaaa, Murray_Maloney 15:39:36 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0078.html issue-dbooth-3: Ambiguity in an XML document's intended GRDDL results 15:40:24 rreck has joined #grddl-wg 15:41:16 we could decide to respond without further discussion, or to try and frame our response in terms of his words 15:41:54 Murray indicates that there were framing difficulties 15:45:51 During the conversation with D.Booth, he seemed amenable to a solution (which would not be GRDDL) where the transformation is passed the representation (Pre-infoset/XPath DM) to the transformation instead of the XPath DM 15:47:13 this is the only way the XProc solution would even be relevant 15:48:10 it's noted that the comment is outstanding 15:48:15 Zakim, close this agendum 15:48:15 agendum 8 closed 15:48:16 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:48:17 2. #issue-base-param 15:48:21 Zakim, close item 2 15:48:21 agendum 2, #issue-base-param, closed 15:48:22 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:48:23 3. GRDDL in XML-pipeline 15:48:27 Zakim, next item 15:48:27 agendum 3. "GRDDL in XML-pipeline" taken up 15:48:45 -Murray_Maloney 15:50:45 To use a GRDDL aware agent in a processing pipeline, as well as the XPath node N, it is also necessary to specify a corresponding IRI I. This is used as the base IRI when the other mechanisms do not apply. This corresponds to section 5.1.4 of RFC 3986. It is even possible for the default IRI used to bear no relationship with the XPath node N, but in such a case, we read: 15:50:45 As this definition is necessarily application-dependent, failing to define a base URI by using one of the other methods may result in the same content being interpreted differently by different types of applications. 15:50:45 A sender of a representation containing relative references is responsible for ensuring that a base URI for those references can be established. 15:50:57 [that's text from the current version of the base doc] 15:51:06 ]] 15:52:45 that addresses the pipeline scenario, as far as I'm concerned 15:53:22 Zakim, next item 15:53:22 agendum 4. "pending GRDDL spec edits" taken up 15:56:48 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0054 review of namespace doc 15:57:19 consideration of I as per booth's comment - it looks like a correct comment 15:57:31 the base-URI of the node N is used, but I itself is not 15:58:02 "The namespace document includes RDF data about the terms in the GRDDL Vocabulary, but these RDF data do not include any triples whose predicate is grddl:profileTransformation." 15:58:24 rreck has joined #grddl-wg 16:02:41 ACTION DanC: incorporate 0054 comments into namespace doc. (consider notifying Dave Beckett) 16:02:51 Zakim, next item 16:02:51 agendum 5. "Implementation Report, toward PR request" taken up 16:03:38 jclark4 1.14 Tue May 29 13:48:32 2007 UTC 16:06:17 - +1.703.861.aaaa 16:06:22 i have to go tech problems 16:10:00 discussion of table: 16:10:25 jeremy suggests grouping the related tests together so that the n/a's are clearly explicable 16:10:41 ACTION: HH to ask Dom to check his XSLT against current GRDDL tests [CONTINUES] 16:10:45 HH made some progress 16:12:32 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 16:12:42 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#xinclude 16:12:46 labels: xml,merge 16:17:08 ACTION DanC: review test coverage results via tabulator 16:17:27 ACTION: jjc review appendix A of test editors draft 16:17:31 ACTION: chimezie to start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature). [DONE] 16:17:42 ACTION: jjc to clarify to discussion participants on RDFa that it is not formal comments [DONE] 16:18:19 ACTION: HarryH to start an index of tests by issue [WITHDRAWN] 16:19:04 ACTION: john to produce new EARL output including #error1 [CONTINUES] 16:19:11 ACTION: jjc to produce new EARL output including #error1 [CONTINUES] 16:19:22 ACTION: john to update result page [CONTINUES] 16:19:46 ACTION: jeremy to email back to the XSL/XQuery working group re error handling [DONE] 16:23:14 Zakim, take up item primer 16:23:14 agendum 6. "Primer" taken up 16:24:31 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0014 16:25:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0075.html 16:25:54 both these messages promise new primer text. 16:29:07 discussion that Harry should be co-editor of primer (DanC, jjc) 16:29:27 ACTION: jjc to clarify who expects what in primer from comments list 16:29:30 ACTION: jjc to review primer [CONTINUES] 16:29:40 -Chimezie_Ogbuji 16:29:59 ACTION: danja to review primer [CONTINUES] 16:30:31 ACTION: john-l to draft an Excel spreadsheet primer section [CONTINUES] 16:36:16 some sentiment for making a WG decicion to go to PR in 3 weeks 16:36:43 -FabienG 16:36:45 -DanC 16:36:46 -jjc 16:36:48 -Ian_Davis 16:36:53 SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended 16:36:54 FabienG has left #grddl-wg 16:36:57 Attendees were FabienG, Ian_Davis, DanC, jjc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, +1.703.861.aaaa, Murray_Maloney 16:37:05 RRSAgent, help 16:38:11 rrsagent, create minutes 16:38:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html jjc 16:38:27 rrsagent, make logs world readable 16:38:27 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs world readable', jjc. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:38:47 rrsagent, make logs world-visible 16:42:24 jjc2 has joined #grddl-wg 18:23:37 jjc2 has left #grddl-wg