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12:16:08 <klanz2> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Teleconference 4 June 2007, Distributed Meeting #5
12:16:26 <klanz2> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
12:16:46 <klanz2> Scribe: Konrad Lanz
12:18:14 <klanz2> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0007.html
12:19:20 <klanz2> zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:19:20 <Zakim> ok, klanz2; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 41 minutes
12:20:00 <klanz2> RRSAgent, make log public
12:48:06 <fjh> fjh has joined #xmlsec
12:48:21 <fjh> zakim, who is on the call?
12:48:21 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, fjh
12:48:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
12:48:45 <fjh> Zakim,this will be xmlsec
12:48:45 <Zakim> ok, fjh; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
12:49:21 <fjh> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call
12:49:32 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
12:50:18 <klanz2> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0007.html
12:52:41 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
12:52:48 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
12:52:49 <fjh> RRSAgent, make log member
12:52:58 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
12:52:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch
12:52:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
12:54:46 <Zakim> +??P6
12:56:22 <jcc> jcc has joined #xmlsec
12:57:50 <Sean> Sean has joined #xmlsec
12:59:09 <Zakim> +EdSimon
12:59:40 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
12:59:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon
12:59:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sean, jcc, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
12:59:42 <Zakim> +??P8
12:59:58 <esimon2> esimon2 has joined #xmlsec
13:00:19 <Zakim> + +1.617.876.aaaa
13:00:39 <klanz2> zakim, ? is sean
13:00:39 <Zakim> sorry, klanz2, I do not recognize a party named '?'
13:00:52 <tlr> tlr has joined #xmlsec
13:01:04 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:01:04 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:01:05 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:01:16 <Zakim> +Hal
13:01:39 <hal> hal has joined #xmlsec
13:01:40 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
13:01:40 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
13:01:41 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:01:50 <jcc> jcc has left #xmlsec
13:01:59 <klanz2> TOPIC: Administrivia: scribe confirmation, next meeting
13:02:08 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:02:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, sean, Hal
13:02:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see hal, tlr, esimon2, Sean, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
13:02:08 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
13:02:13 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:02:15 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:02:19 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
13:02:25 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
13:02:27 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:02:30 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-mobile-de
13:02:39 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:02:41 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:02:47 <Zakim> +grw
13:02:47 <jcc> jcc has joined #xmlsec
13:03:08 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, sean, Hal, Thomas, grw
13:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcc, hal, tlr, esimon2, Sean, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
13:03:51 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:03:51 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:03:53 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:04:13 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:04:14 <Zakim> +RobMiller
13:05:04 <tlr> Meeting: XML Sec WG weekly
13:05:08 <tlr> Date: 5 June 2007
13:05:12 <klanz2> HAL: not in office next meeting
13:05:15 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:05:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, sean, Thomas, Hal, grw, RobMiller
13:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcc, hal, tlr, esimon2, Sean, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
13:05:30 <klanz2> ScribeNick: klanz2
13:05:44 <tlr> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0007.html
13:05:52 <tlr> Chair: fjh
13:06:02 <klanz2> TOPIC: Review and approval of last meeting's minutes
13:06:18 <fjh> minutes from last meeting  http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-xmlsec-minutes
13:06:34 <klanz2> resolution: minutes approved
13:06:50 <klanz2> RESOLUTION: minutes approved
13:07:05 <klanz2> TOPIC: Action item review
13:07:30 <PHB2> PHB2 has joined #xmlsec
13:07:32 <tlr> ACTION-26 continues
13:07:34 <PHB2> zakim, code
13:07:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', PHB2
13:07:36 <klanz2> TOPIC: Action-26
13:07:43 <klanz2> tlr: no progress
13:07:55 <PHB2> zakim, what is the code?
13:07:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB2
13:08:20 <klanz2> tlr: couple of issues need resolution and interaction with the xml coordination group
13:08:24 <Zakim> +PHB
13:08:34 <klanz2> TOPIC: Action-28
13:09:15 <klanz2> TOPIC: Action-34
13:09:43 <klanz2> Closed ACTION-28
13:09:55 <klanz2> klanz2: no conformance affecting changes
13:10:06 <klanz2> TOPIC: ACTION-35
13:10:22 <klanz2> fjh: still open and on rsalz
13:10:49 <klanz2> TOPIC: ACTION-36
13:11:02 <klanz2> jcc: action should be closed
13:11:23 <klanz2> TOPIC: ACTION-37
13:11:31 <klanz2> TOPIC: ACTION-38
13:11:34 <jcc> message from JC for action 36: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html
13:11:40 <klanz2> Close ACTION-38
13:12:02 <klanz2> TOPIC ACTION-40
13:12:13 <klanz2> CLOSE ACTION-40
13:12:36 <klanz2> TOPIC ACTION-41
13:13:25 <Sean> Action 40: the Java SE implementation doesn't do any of the DNAME encoding rules; we just encode as RFC 2253 String
13:13:28 <klanz2> ACTION-42 clodsed
13:13:33 <tlr> s/clodsed/
13:13:38 <tlr> s/clodsed/closed/
13:13:40 <klanz2> TOPIC: Workshop
13:13:40 <hal> hal has joined #xmlsec
13:13:44 <Sean> s/Action 40/Action 41
13:13:49 <tlr> s/Action 40/Action 41/
13:14:19 <klanz2> fjh: submission for approval next wednesday
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13:14:44 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html
13:14:44 <tlr> fjh, chair hat off: sent message to list with some tweaks
13:15:35 <klanz2> fhj: add an item to capture other standards experience
13:15:42 <tlr> +1 to the proposed changes
13:15:43 <fjh> Experience and consequences of building other specifications or  standards with the XML Signature and XML Encryption suites of specifications as a basis
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13:16:07 <fjh> Insight into the interaction of the XML Security specifications with the evolving XML environment
13:16:33 <klanz2> fhj: other changes are editorial
13:16:48 <tlr> RESOLUTION: Changes accepted
13:16:50 <klanz2> RESOLUTION: Changes by fhj are acceoted
13:17:02 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to update CFP draft as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html
13:17:02 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-44 - Update CFP draft as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-12].
13:17:03 <ptrimint> hi, I am Panos Trimintzios from ENISA .. just logged in (apologies for delay)
13:17:04 <fjh> s/fhj/fjh
13:17:14 <tlr> zakim, code?
13:17:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr
13:17:28 <klanz2> TOPIC: Logitics for the Workshop
13:17:31 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
13:17:31 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
13:17:33 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:17:33 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:18:03 <hal> hal has joined #xmlsec
13:18:09 <klanz2> hal: largest room for people seated at tables for 30 people
13:18:29 <tlr> phb: can contact VSGN and see if there's a venue there
13:18:30 <klanz2> who is this?
13:18:37 <tlr> ... have rooms that are large enough ...
13:19:01 <klanz2> phb: makes a case at verisign to get room
13:19:32 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/cfp
13:19:43 <tlr> zakim, unmute thomas
13:19:43 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
13:19:45 <Zakim> -PHB
13:20:00 <klanz2> fjh: can we get this out before next tuesday
13:20:07 <Zakim> +PHB
13:20:48 <klanz2> tlr: give necessary information to phil
13:21:06 <klanz2> phb: will be able to tell in  a couple of days
13:21:15 <fjh> ACTION: TLR to give information on hosting to PHB
13:21:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-45 - Give information on hosting to PHB [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-12].
13:21:24 <tlr> ACTION-45 due right away
13:21:31 <fjh> ACTION: PHB to confirm hosting by end of the week
13:21:31 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-46 - Confirm hosting by end of the week [on Phillip Hallam-Baker - due 2007-06-12].
13:21:56 <klanz2> fhj: is it likely that verisign will host
13:22:13 <fjh> s/fhj/fjh
13:22:20 <klanz2> tlr: there can't be NDAs
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13:23:24 <klanz2> TOPIC: Dates
13:23:48 <klanz2> fjh: workshop nine to five
13:24:21 <klanz2> .. considering changing the hosting from bea to verisign
13:24:36 <tlr> konrad, please only use "TOPIC" for a new agenda item
13:24:46 <klanz2> TOPIC: 4c) Other workshop issues.
13:25:04 <klanz2> fjh: willing to chair
13:25:22 <klanz2> tlr: there is critical mass to do program comittee work
13:25:39 <klanz2> fjh: on regular call or extra calls
13:25:53 <klanz2> tlr: if possible on regular calls
13:26:21 <klanz2> tlr: split the burden among the group into sessions
13:27:04 <klanz2> fjh: different workgroup members should participate in recording session oputcome to generate final reports
13:27:23 <klanz2> NOTE: fhj offers to chair
13:27:33 <klanz2> s/fhj/fjh
13:27:44 <klanz2> TOPIC: 5) Decryption Transform to Last Call
13:28:41 <klanz2> fjh: do not neded to wairt for response to ACTION-40
13:29:01 <klanz2> tlr: plan is to publish current editor's draft
13:29:55 <tlr> Pending changes: (1) namespaces; (2) change reference to C14N 1.1 to be more precise
13:30:39 <tlr> Group can either trust editors to do this and just move ahead to do Last Call FPWD, or look at updated draft @ next meeting
13:30:51 <tlr> I'm fine either way.
13:31:00 <klanz2> klanz2: +1
13:31:26 <fjh> ACTION: tlr and fjh to update editors draft for next meeting
13:31:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-47 - And fjh to update editors draft for next meeting [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-12].
13:32:09 <klanz2> TOPIC: 6) C14N11 Review
13:32:36 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0044.html
13:33:31 <fjh> klanz2: had action to determine if conformance changes between Dec and later version, none found
13:33:49 <fjh> ... wrote implementation to test, found a separate issue with algorithm in appendix
13:34:07 <fjh> ... proposed changed version , also added set of test cases
13:34:38 <fjh> ... primary issue .. processing
13:35:45 <klanz2> fjh: rsalz not on the call
13:36:01 <jcc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html
13:37:47 <fjh> klanz2: xpath filters not defined for canonicalization as such
13:38:23 <klanz2> jcc: example in section 3.8 does not relate XPATH-Filter 
13:38:46 <tlr> q+
13:39:27 <klanz2> fjh: put proposal on the list
13:39:56 <klanz2> Create ACTION on jcc example in section 3.8 does not relate XPATH-Filter 
13:40:08 <fjh> ACTION:: jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html
13:40:34 <tlr> ACTION: jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html
13:40:34 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - jcc
13:40:46 <tlr> ACTION: cruellas to make proposal to resolve issue on  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html
13:40:46 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-48 - Make proposal to resolve issue on  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-06-12].
13:41:24 <fjh> jcc: asks for link to  examples related to appendix a
13:41:32 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/att-0044/Apendix.html
13:41:56 <klanz2> that's the related mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0044.html
13:43:02 <fjh> sean: would help if konrad has examples showing output before changes he has made, and how different or change needed
13:43:31 <klanz2> chat is okay
13:44:15 <tlr> ACTION: konrad to illustrate proposed changes by example
13:44:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-49 - Illustrate proposed changes by example [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-06-12].
13:44:28 <fjh> esimon2: +1 to sean
13:44:28 <klanz2> ed: +1 to sean
13:44:58 <klanz2> "no/.". -> "/" before
13:45:14 <klanz2> "no/.." -> "" now
13:45:33 <tlr> q+
13:45:43 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/TR/DSig-usage/
13:46:03 <klanz2> TOPIC: 7) Algorithm URIs; dsig-usage note
13:46:44 <klanz2> tlr: we will have to use a different uri in the future
13:47:20 <klanz2> tlr: given the input the uri will change
13:47:36 <klanz2> tlr: how will the xml core wg react?
13:49:24 <fjh> klanz2: some changes to c14n11 needed, conformance changing, during C14N11 CR
13:50:16 <klanz2> TOPIC: 8) Editorial review - XML Signature
13:50:17 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:50:17 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:50:25 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2001/10/xmldsig-errata#E01
13:50:37 <klanz2> TOPIC: 8a) Errata 01 (Distinguished Name) issue
13:51:36 <klanz2> sean: sun only does RFC 2253 and none of the special rules in XMLDSIG
13:51:58 <fjh> sean: key issue is whether rules are optional
13:52:24 <klanz2> ed: doesn't think the DNAME encoding rules are optional
13:53:10 <fjh> klanz2: was optional in text, lowercase should, test cases indicated this
13:53:58 <fjh> sean: need to know what implementations are doing
13:55:05 <fjh> klanz2: give warning regarding unusual DNames in certs, not common
13:55:37 <klanz2> ed: proposed some changes
13:55:37 <esimon2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0050.html
13:56:55 <Sean> q+
13:56:56 <klanz2> q+
13:56:59 <tlr> q-
13:57:11 <fjh> ack sean
13:57:38 <jcc> q+
13:57:58 <klanz2> sean: everything we do should be consistent with rfc 2253
13:58:03 <fjh> ack
13:58:07 <fjh> ack klanz
13:58:25 <fjh> klanz: +1 to sean
13:58:36 <jcc> rfc 4514 obsoletes 2253
13:58:55 <tlr> q+
13:59:03 <fjh> klanz: see if whitespace etc matter
13:59:26 <Zakim> -grw
13:59:29 <esimon2> +q
13:59:58 <fjh> ... ok with warning
14:00:46 <fjh> ack jcc
14:01:30 <fjh> klanz: changing RFC is conformance changing ?
14:01:59 <esimon2> Need to evaluate whether our changes to the DN description, etc. affect XKMS.
14:03:13 <fjh> ack Thomas
14:03:15 <klanz2> jcc: security considerations with DNAMES
14:03:57 <fjh> tlr: what was mean originally, if what was meat, is there is case for change
14:04:07 <fjh> ... capture in clear language what was meant originally
14:04:15 <fjh> ... clarify whether normative langue
14:04:17 <klanz2> q+
14:04:21 <fjh> s/langue/language
14:04:25 <fjh> ack esimon
14:04:59 <jcc> section 7.2 of rf2253 (Use of distinguished names in security applications) warns about using the strings for identifying certificates. See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0001.html
14:05:02 <fjh> ack klanz
14:05:27 <PHB2> I think we need to get folk like Alex Deacon involved here
14:05:41 <PHB2> There are two sets of issues: what the specs say and what the applications do
14:07:12 <tlr> zakim, drop me
14:07:12 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
14:07:13 <Zakim> -Thomas
14:07:51 <Zakim> -PHB
14:07:59 <PHB2> PHB2 has left #xmlsec
14:08:06 <Zakim> -sean
14:08:08 <klanz2> Zakim, list participants
14:08:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, Thomas, Hal, sean, grw, RobMiller, PHB
14:08:10 <Zakim> -jcc
14:08:13 <Zakim> -RobMiller
14:08:14 <Zakim> -Hal
14:08:17 <klanz2> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:08:33 <klanz2> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:08:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-minutes.html klanz2
14:09:24 <klanz2> zakim, who is here?
14:09:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon
14:09:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see ptrimint, rmiller, jcc, tlr, esimon2, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng
14:10:41 <Zakim> -EdSimon
14:11:20 <fjh> zakim, bye
14:11:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, Thomas, Hal, sean, grw, RobMiller, PHB
14:11:20 <Zakim> Zakim has left #xmlsec
14:11:29 <klanz2> Zakim, bye
14:11:35 <klanz2> RRSAgent, bye
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-actions.rdf :
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: 40 to the Java SE implementation doesn't do any of the DNAME encoding rules; we just encode as RFC 2253 String [1]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-13-25
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: thomas to update CFP draft as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html [2]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-17-02
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TLR to give information on hosting to PHB [3]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-21-15
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PHB to confirm hosting by end of the week [4]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-21-31
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: tlr and fjh to update editors draft for next meeting [5]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-31-26
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: : jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [6]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-40-08
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [7]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-40-34
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cruellas to make proposal to resolve issue on  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [8]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-40-46
14:11:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: konrad to illustrate proposed changes by example [9]
14:11:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-44-15