IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-06-05

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12:08:20 [Christophe]

zakim, list conferences

12:08:20 [Zakim]

I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM, Team_(t-and-s)12:01Z active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes

12:08:30 [Christophe]

zakim, this will be TSDTF

12:08:30 [Zakim]

ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes

12:09:15 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Review process document <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process>

12:09:36 [Christophe]

Agenda+ New tests from BenToWeb team ready for review: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007May/0012.html>

12:09:44 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Feedback to submitters of test samples

12:09:52 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Test Case Management System

12:10:21 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Web form interface for submitting test samples: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007May/0008.html>

12:10:46 [Christophe]

Meeting: TSD TF

12:11:00 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jun/0000.html

12:11:27 [Christophe]

Chair: CarlosV, Christophe

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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+Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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+ +43.702.468.aaaa

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+Cooper

12:34:31 [Christophe]

zakim, +43 is Reinhard_Ruemer

12:34:31 [Zakim]

+Reinhard_Ruemer; got it

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+CarlosI

12:39:41 [Christophe]

Scribe: CarlosI

12:40:18 [Christophe]

<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Apr/0023.html

12:41:23 [CarlosI]

CS: process flow chart proposed by SAZ accepted

12:42:24 [CarlosI]

ACTION: SAZ to update the review process document accordingly

12:42:44 [Christophe]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL#samplefiles

12:42:55 [shadi]

agenda?

12:43:13 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:43:13 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Review process document <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process>" taken up [from Christophe]

12:43:15 [CarlosI]

CS: using TCDL document also updated

12:43:17 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

12:43:17 [Zakim]

agendum 1 was just opened, shadi

12:43:26 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

12:43:26 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "New tests from BenToWeb team ready for review: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007May/0012.html>" taken up [from Christophe]

12:44:41 [CarlosI]

CS: any comments on the section about test sample content files?

12:46:30 [CarlosI]

RESOLUTION: new section acepted

12:46:54 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

12:46:54 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "New tests from BenToWeb team ready for review: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007May/0012.html>" taken up [from Christophe]

12:47:04 [Christophe]

New test samples: http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList

12:48:18 [CarlosI]

CS: a generic mail for Bentoweb people has been created

12:48:31 [CarlosI]

CS: new test samples uploaded

12:49:00 [CarlosI]

CS: new WCAG2 draft meanwhile

12:49:19 [CarlosI]

CS: need to think how to manage with WCAG2 updates

12:50:16 [CarlosI]

CS: we have 60 test samples now

12:50:36 [CarlosI]

CS: all related to the previous WD

12:52:50 [CarlosI]

CI: synchronization is something that need to be done sooner or later

12:53:20 [CarlosI]

CI: spend time reviewing test samples that may have been superseed doesn't make sense

12:53:42 [CarlosI]

SAZ: some of them may be obsolete know, these are the easy ones

12:55:32 [CarlosI]

ACTION: CS to check changes with the new WCAG2 WD

12:56:33 [CarlosI]

SAZ: is possible to have a list of success criteria are the most stable?

12:56:56 [CarlosI]

MC: we think all of them are pretty stable know

12:57:17 [CarlosI]

MC: don't expect many changes

12:59:03 [CarlosI]

CS: because of the new draft may be not useful to submit new test samples now

13:00:18 [CarlosI]

CS: need to remap the test samples, convert to TCDL2 and upload them

13:00:44 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 3

13:00:44 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Feedback to submitters of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

13:01:11 [CarlosI]

CS: at the moment we have only test samples from BTW

13:02:04 [CarlosI]

CS: we may have to move to a Test case management system, it seem more practical

13:02:40 [CarlosI]

SAZ: internal discussion about the test case management system

13:03:13 [CarlosI]

SAZ: what's the purpose?

13:03:23 [CarlosI]

CS: help to organize feedback

13:03:57 [CarlosI]

SAZ: right now we have the "advantage" of having just internal submmiters

13:04:10 [CarlosI]

SAZ: we may be able to manage with email

13:04:25 [CarlosI]

SAZ: not sure how much time consuming could be

13:05:29 [CarlosI]

CS: we can postpone decision at the moment

13:06:12 [CarlosI]

ACTION: SAZ to continue discussion internally

13:06:29 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 5

13:06:29 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Web form interface for submitting test samples: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007May/0008.html>" taken up [from Christophe]

13:07:02 [shadi]

s/continue discussion/continue W3C-wide Test Case Management System discussion

13:07:11 [Vangelis]

http://www.syros.aegean.gr/users/evlach/eval/eval.html

13:07:35 [CarlosI]

CS: we can jump over agenda #4 then

13:08:06 [CarlosI]

EV: need to work more on this and come back with a conclusion

13:09:37 [CarlosI]

EV: do we have a decision about a simply submission form vs. an test samples "editor"

13:09:47 [CarlosI]

?

13:10:40 [CarlosI]

SAZ: there's quite a lot of metadata to submit and may be useful as much assistance as possible

13:11:21 [CarlosI]

SAZ: MC, do we need consistency with Techniques submission form?

13:12:08 [Christophe]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/TECHS-SUBMIT/

13:12:49 [CarlosI]

MC: looking for a good techniques submission form

13:13:26 [CarlosI]

SAZ: EV, would you like to continue exploring the accessibility of the AJAX approach?

13:14:10 [CarlosI]

EV: an alternative path could be the use of cocoon, which is totally server side, but we may need support from W3C servers

13:14:17 [Zakim]

+Tim_Boland

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13:15:05 [Vangelis]

http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/userdocs/basics/index.html

13:15:59 [CarlosI]

SAZ: need to think also in maintainability

13:16:20 [CarlosI]

EV: there's also the possibility to convert cocoon forms to XForms

13:18:21 [CarlosI]

SAZ: if is something just to test and see may be difficult to setup another Java server

13:19:08 [CarlosI]

SAZ: EV, are you going to spend time really developing this in the BTW context? have you checked with CV?

13:19:56 [CarlosI]

EV: have not discussed with CV about it

13:20:26 [CarlosI]

SAZ: need to think about future of the project, contributions and maintainability

13:20:56 [CarlosI]

EV: not sure at this moment

13:21:16 [CarlosI]

SAZ: hesitant to open up something just for playing around

13:21:27 [CarlosI]

SAZ: continue offline

13:22:38 [CarlosI]

SAZ: if we have something in PHP or Python the setup is already done

13:23:12 [CarlosI]

SAZ: a new Java setup will complicate things, so need to be sure

13:24:24 [CarlosI]

SAZ: BTW works more with Java, so we should also avoid to rewrite everything if possible

13:25:13 [CarlosI]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/

13:28:44 [CarlosI]

CI: some test samples could look not complete from the Web content developer perspective

13:29:34 [CarlosI]

SAZ: we can use the wiki for such ideas for future improvements

13:29:47 [CarlosI]

SAZ: I think it's a communication problem

13:30:27 [CarlosI]

SAZ: need to check in the future but would like to capture the ideas

13:31:17 [CarlosI]

ACTION: CI to create a new wiki section for ideas for future improvements

13:32:14 [Zakim]

-Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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-Reinhard_Ruemer

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-Tim_Boland

13:32:17 [Zakim]

-Cooper

13:32:19 [Zakim]

-Christophe_Strobbe

13:32:22 [Zakim]

-Shadi

13:32:23 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, +43.702.468.aaaa, Cooper, Reinhard_Ruemer, CarlosI, Tim_Boland

13:33:35 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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13:33:41 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

13:33:51 [RRSAgent]

I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: SAZ to update the review process document accordingly [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-tsdtf-irc#T12-42-24

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ACTION: CS to check changes with the new WCAG2 WD [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-tsdtf-irc#T12-55-32

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ACTION: SAZ to continue discussion internally [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-tsdtf-irc#T13-06-12

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ACTION: CI to create a new wiki section for ideas for future improvements [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-tsdtf-irc#T13-31-17