IRC log of i18nits on 2007-05-30

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meeting: i18n ITS WG

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0043.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Yves_Savourel

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+Felix

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+[SAP]

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topic: action item

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felix: did not have time to do AIs

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Christian: did an AI

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action: Christian to rework 4.1 and 4.1.1 (ONGOING)

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also Jirka's AIs pending

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Yves: I did 3 AIs

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action: Yves to talk to Philippe Rouquet about "ITS as ISO" topic (DONE)

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Yves: waiting for (indirect) feedback

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action: Yves to contact Diane and to check her availability for editing of the BP document (DONE)

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Yves: waiting for reply

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action: Yves to rework some BP according Christian structure (DONE)

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Yves: posted a mail about that

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see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0039.html

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topic: reviewing of specs

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Yves: SPARQL, TMX, XLIFF, SRX

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Felix: no need to review XQuery full text or WS Addressing

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Yves: comments on TMX need to be sent by June first

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.. fine to send the comments by June 1st, integrating Christian's possible further feedback?

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RESOLUTION: WG agrees with sending the comments on TMX by June 1st, integrating Christian's possible further feedback

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topic: scheduling

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/schedule.html

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Felix proposes to look at BP (1-2) each week technically, and a meta topic like restructuring

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Felix wants to do the scheduling for the next weeks

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action: Felix to do the scheduling for the next weeks of BPs

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Yves: some more work for the editors, but that's OK I hope

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RESOLUTION: WG agrees with detailed scheduling of BP document

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0039.html

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topic: restructuring of BPs

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Yves: looked into no. 2,5,6

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.. the template had lot of breakdown and structure in it

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.. too many headings, not enough content

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(Yves describes his mail)

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http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/#DevDir

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevDir

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Christian: discussed at f2f that too many subheadings are not a good idea

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.. the modified template and examples: we agreed to say that examples should be close to their use, so no explicit example section

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Yves: one difference: reference to the data category, I tried to resolve that

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.. e.g. BP 2: you have at the bottom the link to the tagset doc, and a copy of the information from the ITS document in a separate paragraph

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Christian: just had a first look at the sample template, looks good to me

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Felix: +1

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Yves: will need to look at each BP to have final restructering done

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0040.html

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topic: rework of the sections which talk about general techniques

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Christian: reworked existing content and created content which we intended to remove to the general section

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(Christian describes the mail)

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Felix: like "4.1.2 Consider Your Processing Environment". Useful to make people aware of conformance as well, since this is related to conformance

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Christian: agree

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.. maybe we need a template on how to link to the tagset doc of subsections in 4.1.x

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.. tagset doc or other documents

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Felix: some concerns about being too detailed about XPath

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.. we can't write an XPath tutorial. Propose to have a general section of issues with technology used by ITS

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Christian: we had gathered some specific issues for XPath

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.. like efficiency of rules

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Yves: need to work on this "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care" to see what has to be here

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Felix: agreement

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Andrzej: thanks Christian for this work on this!

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action: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care"

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Yves: like the proposal on " Generic Knowledge"

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topic: f2f meeting

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Yves: everybody is fine for the dates and venue, no response from Sebastian yet

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RESOLUTION: next f2f in Praha, hosted by Jirka, 10/02 till 10/04

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topic: BP discussion

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthInsText

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BP 21 "Ensure any inserted text is context-independent"

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Andrzej: had a related discussion in DITA TC about acronym expansion

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.. there are issues of grammatical case esp. in inflected languages

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.. in some languages an acronym does not exist

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.. I can send my input I gave to DITA about the topic

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Yves: yes, send the mail please

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(Yves explains http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthInsText)

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Yves: propose to have an example how it works in the "How to do this" part

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Felix: which technique is used in practice? XLink and XInclude are maybe not wide spread for this topic

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.. maybe we should have a "real life" example what is being done

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Yves: we could have a binary example: things not to do, and a way to fix it

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Andrzej: will send in an example for conref

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Jirka: an XInclude example would be good

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action: everybody to look into creating examples for the "How to do this" part of BP 21

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Felix: we will see what examples will be created, and use the best one(s)

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topic: RELAX NG > DTD, RELAX NG > XML Schema conversion

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Christian: XLIFF is thinking about providing a RELAX NG schema

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.. are there cases of not being able to convert RELAX NG > DTD, RELAX NG > XML Schema?

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Jirka: yes

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Andrzej: most of the tools provide a means for conversion

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Jirka: depends on how complex the schema is

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.. we produced a conversion tool, specific to DocBook

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Felix: should the conversion be a one-time effort?

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Christian: yes. But while the schema is under development, there will be several conversions necessary

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.. RELAX NG will be just an additional schema

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topic: AOB

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adjourned

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-Jirka

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-Felix

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-Yves_Savourel

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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-Andrzej

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-Christian

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, Jirka, [SAP], Christian, Andrzej

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I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Christian to rework 4.1 and 4.1.1 (ONGOING) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-07-55

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ACTION: Yves to talk to Philippe Rouquet about "ITS as ISO" topic (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-09-04

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ACTION: Yves to contact Diane and to check her availability for editing of the BP document (DONE) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-09-29

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ACTION: Yves to rework some BP according Christian structure (DONE) [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-09-49

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ACTION: Felix to do the scheduling for the next weeks of BPs [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-18-38

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ACTION: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care" [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-41-26

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ACTION: everybody to look into creating examples for the "How to do this" part of BP 21 [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-56-03

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zakim, bye

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