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13:52:26 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS WG
13:52:27 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:52:29 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:52:34 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:53:00 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0043.html
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14:07:10 <fsasaki> topic: action item
14:07:18 <fsasaki> felix: did not have time to do AIs
14:07:50 <fsasaki> Christian: did an AI 
14:07:55 <fsasaki> action:  Christian to rework 4.1 and 4.1.1 (ONGOING)
14:08:28 <fsasaki> also Jirka's AIs pending
14:08:54 <fsasaki> Yves: I did 3 AIs
14:09:04 <fsasaki> action: Yves to talk to Philippe Rouquet about "ITS as ISO" topic (DONE)
14:09:16 <fsasaki> Yves: waiting for (indirect) feedback
14:09:29 <fsasaki> action: Yves to contact Diane and to check her availability for editing of the BP document (DONE)
14:09:33 <fsasaki> Yves: waiting for reply
14:09:49 <fsasaki> action: Yves to rework some BP according Christian structure (DONE)
14:09:55 <fsasaki> Yves: posted a mail about that
14:10:01 <fsasaki> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0039.html
14:10:48 <fsasaki> topic: reviewing of specs
14:11:16 <fsasaki> Yves: SPARQL, TMX, XLIFF, SRX
14:12:09 <fsasaki> Felix: no need to review XQuery full text or WS Addressing
14:13:02 <fsasaki> Yves: comments on TMX need to be sent by June first
14:13:46 <fsasaki> .. fine to send the comments by June 1st, integrating Christian's possible further feedback?
14:14:11 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agrees with sending the comments on TMX by June 1st, integrating Christian's possible further feedback
14:14:21 <fsasaki> topic: scheduling
14:15:04 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/schedule.html
14:18:14 <fsasaki> Felix proposes to look at BP (1-2) each week technically, and a meta topic like restructuring
14:18:25 <fsasaki> Felix wants to do the scheduling for the next weeks
14:18:38 <fsasaki> action: Felix to do the scheduling for the next weeks of BPs
14:19:09 <fsasaki> Yves: some more work for the editors, but that's OK I hope
14:19:23 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agrees with detailed scheduling of BP document
14:19:26 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0039.html
14:19:36 <fsasaki> topic: restructuring of BPs
14:19:45 <fsasaki> Yves: looked into no. 2,5,6
14:20:17 <fsasaki> .. the template had lot of breakdown and structure in it
14:20:27 <fsasaki> .. too many headings, not enough content
14:21:33 <fsasaki> (Yves describes his mail)
14:21:55 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/#DevDir
14:22:44 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevDir
14:24:40 <fsasaki> Christian: discussed at f2f that too many subheadings are not a good idea
14:25:10 <fsasaki> .. the modified template and examples: we agreed to say that examples should be close to their use, so no explicit example section
14:25:24 <fsasaki> Yves: one difference: reference to the data category, I tried to resolve that
14:26:26 <fsasaki> .. e.g. BP 2: you have at the bottom the link to the tagset doc, and a copy of the information from the ITS document in a separate paragraph
14:27:36 <fsasaki> Christian: just had a first look at the sample template, looks good to me
14:28:04 <fsasaki> Felix: +1
14:28:28 <fsasaki> Yves: will need to look at each BP to have final restructering done
14:28:50 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0040.html
14:29:10 <fsasaki> topic: rework of the sections which talk about general techniques
14:30:01 <fsasaki> Christian: reworked existing content and created content which we intended to remove to the general section
14:31:04 <fsasaki> (Christian describes the mail)
14:35:06 <fsasaki> Felix: like "4.1.2 Consider Your Processing Environment". Useful to make people aware of conformance as well, since this is related to conformance
14:35:09 <fsasaki> Christian: agree
14:36:22 <fsasaki> .. maybe we need a template on how to link to the tagset doc of subsections in 4.1.x
14:36:31 <fsasaki> .. tagset doc or other documents
14:38:27 <fsasaki> Felix: some concerns about being too detailed about XPath
14:39:22 <fsasaki> .. we can't write an XPath tutorial. Propose to have a general section of issues with technology used by ITS
14:40:16 <fsasaki> Christian: we had gathered some specific issues for XPath
14:40:25 <fsasaki> .. like efficiency of rules
14:40:48 <fsasaki> Yves: need to work on this "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care" to see what has to be here
14:40:54 <fsasaki> Felix: agreement
14:41:13 <fsasaki> Andrzej: thanks Christian for this work on this!
14:41:26 <fsasaki> action: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care"
14:42:07 <fsasaki> Yves: like the proposal on " Generic Knowledge"
14:43:31 <fsasaki> topic: f2f meeting
14:44:05 <fsasaki> Yves: everybody is fine for the dates and venue, no response from Sebastian yet
14:44:39 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: next f2f in Praha, hosted by Jirka, 10/02 till 10/04
14:45:37 <fsasaki> topic: BP discussion
14:46:02 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthInsText
14:46:20 <fsasaki> BP 21 "Ensure any inserted text is context-independent"
14:47:04 <fsasaki> Andrzej: had a related discussion in DITA TC about acronym expansion
14:47:53 <fsasaki> .. there are issues of grammatical case esp. in inflected languages
14:48:22 <fsasaki> .. in some languages an acronym does not exist
14:48:57 <fsasaki> .. I can send my input I gave to DITA about the topic
14:49:07 <fsasaki> Yves: yes, send the mail please
14:50:27 <fsasaki> (Yves explains http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthInsText)
14:51:54 <fsasaki> Yves: propose to have an example how it works in the "How to do this" part
14:53:09 <fsasaki> Felix: which technique is used in practice? XLink and XInclude are maybe not wide spread for this topic
14:54:05 <fsasaki> .. maybe we should have a "real life" example what is being done
14:54:35 <fsasaki> Yves: we could have a binary example: things not to do, and a way to fix it
14:55:07 <fsasaki> Andrzej: will send in an example for conref
14:55:20 <fsasaki> Jirka: an XInclude example would be good
14:56:03 <fsasaki> action: everybody to look into creating examples for the "How to do this" part of BP 21
14:56:27 <fsasaki> Felix: we will see what examples will be created, and use the best one(s)
14:56:43 <fsasaki> topic: RELAX NG > DTD, RELAX NG > XML Schema conversion
14:57:06 <fsasaki> Christian: XLIFF is thinking about providing a RELAX NG schema 
14:57:24 <fsasaki> .. are there cases of not being able to convert RELAX NG > DTD, RELAX NG > XML Schema?
14:57:25 <fsasaki> Jirka: yes
14:58:11 <fsasaki> Andrzej: most of the tools provide a means for conversion
14:59:08 <fsasaki> Jirka: depends on how complex the schema is
14:59:55 <fsasaki> .. we produced a conversion tool, specific to DocBook
15:00:05 <fsasaki> Felix: should the conversion be a one-time effort?
15:00:51 <fsasaki> Christian: yes. But while the schema is under development, there will be several conversions necessary
15:00:57 <fsasaki> .. RELAX NG will be just an additional schema
15:01:00 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
15:01:04 <fsasaki> adjourned
15:01:22 <Zakim> -Jirka
15:01:23 <Zakim> -Felix
15:01:24 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
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15:01:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:01:41 <Zakim> -Andrzej
15:01:44 <Zakim> -Christian
15:01:50 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:01:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, Jirka, [SAP], Christian, Andrzej
15:10:06 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christian to rework 4.1 and 4.1.1 (ONGOING) [1]
15:10:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-07-55
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to talk to Philippe Rouquet about "ITS as ISO" topic (DONE) [2]
15:10:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-09-04
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to contact Diane and to check her availability for editing of the BP document (DONE) [3]
15:10:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-09-29
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to rework some BP according Christian structure (DONE) [4]
15:10:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-09-49
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to do the scheduling for the next weeks of BPs [5]
15:10:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-18-38
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care" [6]
15:10:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-41-26
15:10:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to look into creating examples for the "How to do this" part of BP 21 [7]
15:10:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-i18nits-irc#T14-56-03
15:10:09 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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