IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-05-30

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14:46:12 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc

14:47:35 [Zakim]

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14:48:16 [jjc]

Zakim, please list teleconferences

14:48:16 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please list teleconferences', jjc

14:48:28 [jjc]

Zakim, please list conferences

14:48:28 [Zakim]

I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM, WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM, I18N_TS()10:00AM, SEC_WSCWG()3:00AM, SW_SWEO()10:00AM active

14:48:31 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are MM_MMI(dialog)11:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, HTML_Forms()11:00AM, SW_GRDDL()11:00AM, XML_Core()11:00AM

14:48:57 [jjc]

Zakim, this is GRDDL

14:48:57 [Zakim]

jjc, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be GRDDL".

14:49:05 [jjc]

Zakim, this will be GRDDL

14:49:05 [Zakim]

ok, jjc; I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

14:52:06 [jjc]

agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-05-30T11:00-0400

14:52:19 [jjc]

agenda+ Test Cases and Error handling

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agenda+ GRDDL in XML-pipeline, #issue-base-param

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agenda+ Implementation Report, toward PR request

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agenda+ Primer

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agenda+ Advocating

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agenda+ public-grddl-comments auditing

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agenda+ [Adjourn?] GRDDL Vocabulary

14:54:13 [jjc]

zakim, what is the agenda

14:54:13 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'what is the agenda', jjc

14:54:33 [jjc]

agenda?

14:54:46 [chimezie]

Zakim: passcode

14:55:38 [Zakim]

SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started

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+Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:55:51 [jjc]

Meeting: GRDDL WG

14:55:58 [jjc]

Chair: Jeremy

14:56:01 [jjc]

Scribe: Fabien

14:56:43 [jjc]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0087

14:56:53 [jjc]

ScribeNick: FabienG

14:57:30 [Zakim]

+??P16

14:57:40 [jjc]

Zakim, ??PI6 is me

14:57:40 [Zakim]

sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '??PI6'

14:57:45 [jjc]

Zakim, ?PI6 is me

14:57:45 [Zakim]

sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?PI6'

14:57:49 [jjc]

Zakim, PI6 is me

14:57:50 [Zakim]

sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named 'PI6'

14:57:54 [jjc]

Zakim, P16 is me

14:57:54 [Zakim]

sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named 'P16'

14:57:58 [jjc]

Zakim, ??P16 is me

14:57:58 [Zakim]

+jjc; got it

14:58:35 [jjc]

regrets: DanC, Simone, Danny, Harry

15:00:13 [Zakim]

+ +049238aaaa

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15:00:55 [FabienG]

zakim, aaaa is FabienG

15:00:55 [Zakim]

+FabienG; got it

15:01:31 [Zakim]

+ +1.216.445.aabb

15:01:39 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:01:41 [john-l]

Zakim, aabb is me

15:01:42 [Zakim]

+john-l; got it

15:01:59 [jjc]

Zakim, IPCaller is Ron

15:02:03 [rreck]

+Ipcaller is me

15:02:10 [john-l]

Zakim, [IPCaller] is rreck

15:02:16 [Zakim]

+Ron; got it

15:02:16 [rreck]

thanks

15:02:32 [Zakim]

sorry, john-l, I do not recognize a party named '[IPCaller]'

15:02:35 [jjc]

Zakim, Ron is really rreck

15:02:56 [FabienG]

Zakim, who's here?

15:03:04 [Zakim]

+rreck; got it

15:03:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Chimezie_Ogbuji, jjc, FabienG, john-l, rreck

15:03:14 [Zakim]

On IRC I see rreck, john-l, FabienG, Zakim, RRSAgent, jjc, chimezie, DanC

15:04:05 [jjc]

next agendum

15:04:30 [jjc]

PROPOSED: to approve Minutes of GRDDL WG meeting, 23rd May 2007 as a true record

15:04:36 [jjc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0050

15:04:52 [jjc]

Chime seconds

15:05:00 [jjc]

so RESOLVED

15:05:39 [jjc]

(decision on next meeting to be taken at end)

15:05:40 [FabienG]

decide later if next conf next week is needed

15:05:44 [jjc]

next agendum

15:06:29 [jjc]

three ACTIONS done

15:07:02 [FabienG]

JJC: Embeded RDF 4 is embeded is implemented and implementations pass the tests

15:07:03 [jjc]

PROPOSED to approve #embedded-rdf4

15:07:07 [chimezie]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/#embedded-rdf4

15:07:26 [chimezie]

wrong Base URI..!

15:07:27 [jjc]

(i,.e. with the test URL from the test directory)

15:07:30 [john-l]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#embedded-rdf4

15:07:56 [jjc]

so RESOLVED

15:08:40 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist#error1

15:08:49 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist#error1 input file

15:08:55 [jjc]

is a test case for errors

15:10:02 [FabienG]

JJC: this test over specifies ...

15:10:04 [jjc]

(john tries test)

15:10:10 [FabienG]

John: not tested yet

15:10:54 [FabienG]

JJC: this test starts to produce triples and then fails.

15:11:15 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/broken4.xsl

15:11:23 [jjc]

is the transform that produces some triples

15:12:15 [john-l]

GRDDL.py passes the single test in <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist>.

15:12:58 [FabienG]

JJC: I will abstain rather than vote against but I don't like it because it over specifies the behaviour

15:13:51 [rreck]

its kind of hard to hear

15:14:36 [chimezie]

so we need an explicit (yes, this resolves our issues) to close the comment?

15:14:42 [chimezie]

i.e., it's mostly a process issue?

15:15:44 [FabienG]

chimezie: we should discuss more on the list.

15:16:25 [FabienG]

JJC: we have adequate answers from the group.

15:17:19 [Zakim]

+Murray_Maloney

15:17:45 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist#error1 is the current discussion

15:18:01 [chimezie]

from XSLT specification:

15:18:03 [chimezie]

[[

15:18:05 [chimezie]

If the terminate attribute has the value yes, then the XSLT processor should terminate processing after sending the message.

15:18:07 [chimezie]

]]

15:18:51 [FabienG]

JJC: if a transform fails the produced triples should be discarded

15:22:18 [chimezie]

PROPOSED to approve test (with URI) http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#error1

15:22:29 [chimezie]

input: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/withErrors

15:22:40 [rreck]

i second

15:22:42 [chimezie]

output: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/one.rdf

15:22:50 [jjc]

jeremy abstains

15:23:03 [FabienG]

fabien concurs

15:23:33 [chimezie]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:23:33 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Chimezie_Ogbuji, jjc, FabienG, john-l, rreck, Murray_Maloney

15:23:35 [jjc]

So APPROVED

15:24:05 [jjc]

ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1

15:24:25 [jjc]

ACTION: john to produce new EARL output including #error1

15:24:30 [jjc]

ACTION: jjc to produce new EARL output including #error1

15:24:39 [FabienG]

ACTION: john to update result page

15:25:10 [FabienG]

ACTION: jeremy to email back to the working group

15:25:25 [jjc]

next agendum

15:26:02 [jjc]

Maybe it's a bug in the above sheets.]]

15:26:06 [jjc]

from Dave Beckett

15:26:28 [FabienG]

see my message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0069.html

15:27:14 [chimezie]

ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4

15:28:21 [chimezie]

i assumed that was included with my action on #error1

15:28:28 [john-l]

Just checking. :)

15:30:05 [jjc]

discussion about base in RDF ...

15:30:12 [jjc]

Rdfa

15:32:23 [FabienG]

I the RDFa2RDFXML is producing triples with relative URIs when there is no parameter specified

15:32:39 [jjc]

ACTION: jjc to e-mail Dave Beckett with not a bug in the spec, but maybe in some stylesheets

15:33:09 [jjc]

continued actions:

15:33:20 [jjc]

# ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl

15:33:20 [jjc]

# ACTION: HH to remove or clarify base param in eRDF transformation

15:33:20 [jjc]

# ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative.

15:33:41 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/base

15:33:42 [john-l]

ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl [CONTINUED]

15:33:53 [john-l]

ACTION: HH to remove or clarify base param in eRDF transformation [CONTINUED]

15:33:55 [chimezie]

i recall a continued action (which blocks the test case doc from going PR) to cross reference tests to GRDDL mechanisms by section

15:34:05 [john-l]

ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. [CONTINUED]

15:34:26 [FabienG]

ACTION: Fabien to clarify purpose of uri param in RDFa2RDFXML.xsl [DONE]

15:35:52 [FabienG]

issue-dbooth-9a: GRDDL should be usable in a messaging pipeline http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0069

15:36:20 [jjc]

Zakim, who is calling?

15:36:20 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, jjc.

15:36:25 [jjc]

Zakim, who is talking?

15:36:36 [Zakim]

jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jjc (40%), rreck (82%)

15:36:47 [rreck]

sorry

15:39:05 [jjc]

[[

15:39:06 [jjc]

Hence, the spec

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should be clear that the lack of a base URI is only a problem if it is

15:39:06 [jjc]

needed (to resolve a relative URI) but not present.

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]]

15:39:10 [jjc]

David Booth

15:40:07 [FabienG]

JJC: David says the lack of a base URI should be a problem only for relative URI.

15:40:25 [chimezie]

it seems to me that rfc39XX covers the case where there is no URI associated with the input document

15:40:49 [chimezie]

either the containing context provides it, or the application provides it (the outermost ring)

15:41:17 [FabienG]

JJC: the source is not part of RDF

15:41:29 [jjc]

RFC 3986, section 5.1.4 application provides default base URI

15:42:11 [FabienG]

Murray: I have a resource and I extract statements A B and C from it

15:43:05 [FabienG]

Murray: these statements should be "somewhere"

15:43:45 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-contexts is a postponed issue about contexts

15:43:46 [FabienG]

Chime: base is used only to resolve the relative URIs not to locate the resource.

15:45:40 [jjc]

[[

15:45:42 [jjc]

Subject to security considerations below and local policy as expressed in its configuration, given a URI I of an information resource IR, and an XPath node N for a representation of IR, a GRDDL-aware agent should:

15:45:46 [jjc]

]] grddl spec

15:47:02 [chimezie]

the dereference operation happens here: ?IR log:uri [ fn:doc ?R ].

15:47:19 [FabienG]

JJC: the context of a triple is a postpone issue and outside the scope of this group

15:50:38 [FabienG]

Chime: providing a default base URI shouldn't be a big problem

15:51:05 [john-l]

s/Chime/john-l/

15:51:58 [FabienG]

ACTION: Chime to respond to David on issue-dbooth-9a: GRDDL should be usable in a messaging pipeline http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0069

15:52:31 [jjc]

(and also 9c Base URI should only be required if needed)

15:52:49 [FabienG]

issue-dbooth-9c: Base URI should only be required if needed http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0074

15:53:00 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#rule_result

15:53:00 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#rule_merge

15:53:00 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#rule_rdfxbase

15:53:00 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#rule_profiletrans

15:53:00 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#rule_txprop

15:53:01 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#GRDDL_aware_agent

15:53:03 [jjc]

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#agt_obl

15:54:05 [FabienG]

JJC: in the pipeline example if you have to give a URI it would have to be a default one.

15:55:46 [john-l]

[[ the problem is that it *fails* to define results in terms of representations ]] -- #issue-dbooth-9a

15:55:56 [FabienG]

Murray: after three steps in the pipeline you don't have the URI anymore

15:56:48 [jjc]

[[

15:56:50 [jjc]

If F and G are GRDDL results of IR, then the merge [RDF-MT] of F and G is also a GRDDL result of IR.]

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15:58:22 [FabienG]

Murray: all information resources have a URI

15:58:45 [FabienG]

... no URI means it is not an information resource

15:59:00 [chimezie]

"" rdf:type foaf:Person

15:59:51 [FabienG]

wouldn't reification be another mechanism too?

16:01:26 [chimezie]

"" :isTheContextOf <..rdfStatement URI..>

16:01:53 [FabienG]

Although the triples and their reification are not really linked...

16:02:32 [rreck]

i agree with that statement

16:02:42 [FabienG]

Murray: it is important to have that URI available all along the process

16:04:15 [FabienG]

JJC: the base URI can come from a lot of sources / mechanisms

16:04:29 [chimezie]

practically speaking the URI is only valuable for resolving relative URIs, (empty URI references can be used to make statements about the containing document, but this is different from making statements about provenance)

16:06:59 [rreck]

chimezie: you mean the baseURI, correct?

16:07:20 [FabienG]

JJC: too big change to be made at this point.

16:08:54 [rreck]

otherwise provenance would be inferred

16:08:55 [chimezie]

rreck: i mean the URI from where the XML concrete syntax was dereferenced (fetched) from - which sometimes is the same as the BaseURI if no BaseURI is specified within

16:09:19 [rreck]

yes, i was inprecise

16:09:22 [rreck]

im

16:11:22 [jjc]

agenda next

16:11:26 [jjc]

next agendum

16:12:04 [FabienG]

ACTION: chimezie to start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature) [CONTINUE]

16:12:19 [FabienG]

ACTION: HarryH to start an index of tests by issue (not urgent; due 30 May) [CONTINUE]

16:12:31 [FabienG]

ACTION: HH to ask Dom to check his XSLT against current GRDDL tests [CONTINUE]

16:12:41 [FabienG]

ACTION: john-l add link from report to spec explaining multiple results and not applicable relationship [DONE]

16:12:55 [jjc]

next agendum

16:13:09 [FabienG]

ACTION: danja to review primer [CONTINUE]

16:13:20 [FabienG]

ACTION: jjc to review primer [CONTINUE]

16:13:29 [jjc]

next agendum

16:13:31 [FabienG]

ACTION: john-l to draft an Excel spreadsheet primer section [CONTINUE]

16:13:34 [jjc]

next agendum

16:13:56 [john-l]

Zakim, take up item 6

16:13:56 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Advocating" taken up [from jjc]

16:14:20 [FabienG]

ACTION: HH to e-mail GRDDL Logo contest announcement - semantic web at w3.org. (pending SWEO coordination) [CONTINUE]

16:14:29 [john-l]

Zakim, take up item 7

16:14:29 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "public-grddl-comments auditing" taken up [from jjc]

16:16:43 [jjc]

ACTION: jjc to clarify to discussion participants on RDFa that it is not formal comments

16:17:25 [FabienG]

JJC: Dave Booth comment issue-dbooth-10: Does an XML namespace necessarily imply semantics? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0072

16:17:26 [jjc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0081

16:17:33 [jjc]

[[ I am satisfied with the WG's response.

16:17:33 [jjc]

]]

16:18:43 [FabienG]

JJC: Dave Booth issue-dbooth-3: Ambiguity in an XML document's intended GRDDL results http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0078

16:20:20 [FabienG]

Murray: you cannot impose on someone to ingnore an XInclude in a document.

16:20:37 [FabienG]

... noone has the authority to do it

16:22:15 [jjc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0086

16:22:45 [john-l]

[[ That begs the question. GRDDL doesn't have the authority because we chose not to give it that authority. There are other choices we could have made. ]] - Dan in <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0086.html>

16:23:46 [FabienG]

Murray: the decision was that we work on XPath node set

16:25:36 [FabienG]

Murray: we should not reopen the issue

16:25:57 [FabienG]

JJC: I agree we should not reopen it.

16:28:32 [chimezie]

it seems that he is motivated both by having a 'complete' rendition (which we don't compute) and in giving some precedence in a 'default' XML processing pipeline (which it seems - to me - GRDDL has no authority to mandate)

16:28:39 [FabienG]

Murray: If you want to guarantee you have the right answer you can run everything yourself (e.g. xinclude)

16:29:09 [FabienG]

Murray: I can talk to him on the phone.

16:31:14 [FabienG]

Murray: prefer somebody else to send the formal response.

16:32:01 [FabienG]

RESOLVED: not to reopen the issue.

16:33:28 [jjc]

suggested proposal (not from me) "We resolve not to make changes in response to DBooth-3, and not to reopen the faithful infoset issue"

16:33:36 [rreck]

i have to go now. bye.

16:33:56 [Zakim]

-rreck

16:35:08 [Zakim]

-Murray_Maloney

16:35:32 [jjc]

inquorate!!

16:35:58 [FabienG]

ACTION: Murray to phone/msg Dave Booth

16:36:23 [jjc]

Adjourned by lack of numbers

16:36:23 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

16:36:27 [Zakim]

-jjc

16:36:32 [Zakim]

-john-l

16:37:30 [FabienG]

rrsagent, set logs world-visible

16:37:33 [jjc]

rrsagent, please list actions items

16:37:33 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'please list actions items', jjc. Try /msg RRSAgent help

16:37:56 [jjc]

rrsagent, show actions

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

I see 22 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-actions.rdf :

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1 [1]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-24-05

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: john to produce new EARL output including #error1 [2]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-24-25

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jjc to produce new EARL output including #error1 [3]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-24-30

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: john to update result page [4]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-24-39

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jeremy to email back to the working group [5]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-25-10

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4 [6]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-27-14

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jjc to e-mail Dave Beckett with not a bug in the spec, but maybe in some stylesheets [7]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-32-39

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl [CONTINUED] [8]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-33-42

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: HH to remove or clarify base param in eRDF transformation [CONTINUED] [9]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-33-53

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. [CONTINUED] [10]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-34-05

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Fabien to clarify purpose of uri param in RDFa2RDFXML.xsl [DONE] [11]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-34-26

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chime to respond to David on issue-dbooth-9a: GRDDL should be usable in a messaging pipeline http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0069 [12]

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-irc#T15-51-58

16:37:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: chimezie to start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature) [CONTINUE] [13]

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ACTION: HarryH to start an index of tests by issue (not urgent; due 30 May) [CONTINUE] [14]

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ACTION: HH to ask Dom to check his XSLT against current GRDDL tests [CONTINUE] [15]

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ACTION: john-l add link from report to spec explaining multiple results and not applicable relationship [DONE] [16]

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ACTION: danja to review primer [CONTINUE] [17]

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ACTION: jjc to review primer [CONTINUE] [18]

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ACTION: john-l to draft an Excel spreadsheet primer section [CONTINUE] [19]

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ACTION: HH to e-mail GRDDL Logo contest announcement - semantic web at w3.org. (pending SWEO coordination) [CONTINUE] [20]

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ACTION: jjc to clarify to discussion participants on RDFa that it is not formal comments [21]

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ACTION: Murray to phone/msg Dave Booth [22]

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16:38:47 [chimezie]

DanC: I'm at a loss as to what protocol WG members follow with the comments list. I've tried to communicate to DBooth the conversations that led up to the resolution.

16:39:33 [Zakim]

-FabienG

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SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Chimezie_Ogbuji, jjc, +049238aaaa, FabienG, +1.216.445.aabb, john-l, rreck, Murray_Maloney

16:40:00 [jjc]

RRSagent, publish the minutes

16:40:00 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html jjc

16:40:42 [DanC_lap]

chimezie, the safe way to relay WG discussions in the comments list is to point to them and/or excerpt them. when you paraphrase, you take risks.

16:40:55 [jjc]

RSSagent, make logs world readable

16:41:20 [FabienG]

jcc: it is already done.

16:41:30 [FabienG]

see http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-grddl-wg-minutes.html

16:42:02 [FabienG]

I'll do the edits and post the result to the list.

16:42:19 [jjc]

(it hasn't done a good job ... :( )

16:42:39 [DanC_lap]

in particular, chimezie, if you use new words to justify the spec, those words might be a paraphrase of things the WG discussed, but they also might be new arguments, which are out of order unless the issue is re-opened.

16:43:09 [FabienG]

Indeed, the content section is not right...

16:43:21 [jjc]

i need to go too - bye

16:43:33 [FabienG]

bye

17:51:07 [chimezie]

DanC_lap: problem with this case in particular (faithful-infoset) is that the minutes dont fully capture the dialog and that context is all we have to justify not reopening the issue

18:01:25 [DanC_lap]

well, yes, I can see how that might be a problem. But I continue to ask that you don't argue the issue unless/until the chair re-opens the issue

18:03:13 [chimezie]

if I can't argue the issue (especially while attempting to stay consistent to the WG consensus) I do not see the purpose in having a comments list. In particular I was just assigned an action to respond to David Booth today on a particular issue, where does that leave me?

18:20:06 [DanC_lap]

is your action to point Booth to some existing records?

18:39:46 [chimezie]

that's okay , Dan.

18:40:38 [chimezie]

my action is to respond to his pipeline argument which says that GRDDL should be about representations not IR and by being a bout the latter only, it excludes his pipeline argument (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0069.html)

18:41:15 [chimezie]

frankly, I think I'm going to have to either respond to him in public-grddl-wg or ask that my action be dropped as there is not an appropriate forum for a response

18:41:32 [chimezie]

s/pipeline argument/pipeline usecase

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19:02:54 [DanC_lap]

yes, I'd prefer that you took that discussion to public-grddl-wg

19:03:06 [DanC_lap]

rather than responding directly to the commentor

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