IRC log of er on 2007-05-30

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13:50:59 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ERT

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0028.html

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agenda+ New resources for review

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema comments

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agenda+ HTTP Vocabulary in RDF comments

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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14:01:48 [JohannesK]

zakim, klaus is really Johannes

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+Johannes; got it

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+abel

14:03:41 [shadi]

zakim, abel is really CarlosI

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+CarlosI; got it

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+ +43.70.aaaa

14:04:56 [shadi]

zakim, aaaa is really Reinhard

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+Reinhard; got it

14:05:30 [shadi]

scribe: CarlosI

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regrets: CarlosV

14:05:58 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "New resources for review" taken up [from shadi]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0023

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0025

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0026^

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0020

14:08:04 [CarlosI]

SAZ: several staff moving around we should look at

14:09:29 [CarlosI]

SAZ: mobileOK, mainly two thinks to review: potential accessibility issues and compatibility with EARL

14:10:41 [CarlosI]

JK: 2.3.3 could be a test itself

14:13:15 [CarlosI]

ACTION: everybody to review by next week and send possible ERT WG relevant issues to the list

14:14:26 [CarlosI]

SAZ: POWDER use cases and requirementes directly published as a note

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SAZ: overlap with our work

14:16:05 [CarlosI]

ACTION: everybody to review the POWDER note and comment any thought with the rest of the group

14:17:17 [CarlosI]

RR: any background on POWDER

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?

14:18:41 [CarlosI]

SAZ: basically metadata to label resources from different perspectives: offensive content, mobile friendly, accesible, etc.

14:20:36 [CarlosI]

SAZ: several groups would like to use FOAF

14:20:48 [CarlosI]

SAZ: doubts about persistence

14:21:28 [CarlosI]

SAZ: it looks like FOAF guys are now moving in the direction we need

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SAZ: need to be sure about FOAF before CR

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ACTION: everybody to look at FOAF and see in what direction are they moving

14:25:07 [CarlosI]

ACTION: start to look at the EARL guide and help synchronize with the schema

14:26:24 [CarlosI]

SAZ: contributions to any section are welcome

14:26:43 [CarlosI]

RR: could write drafts of some of them

14:27:04 [CarlosI]

SAZ: be sure to coordinate with CV

14:28:16 [CarlosI]

SAZ: also a new WCAG2 WD online we should review at some point

14:28:19 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:28:19 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema comments" taken up [from shadi]

14:28:42 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues

14:29:25 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0027

14:33:27 [CarlosI]

SAZ: proposal to allow extensibility of outcome values

14:37:26 [CarlosI]

CI: several concerns about allowing "free" extensibility

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[discussion]

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SAZ: better to continue the discussion on the list

14:38:55 [CarlosI]

RR: agree with CI

14:39:32 [CarlosI]

JK: need to talk about it

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SAZ: move to #12

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SAZ: proposal to accept the comment

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RESOLUTION: proposal accepted

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SAZ: move to #13

14:42:47 [CarlosI]

SAZ: proposal to accept the issue and revise all the terms

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RESOLUTION: proposal accepted

14:43:36 [CarlosI]

SAZ: now #14

14:43:57 [CarlosI]

SAZ: also editorial, proposal to accept it

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RESOLUTION: proposal accepted

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SAZ: #21

14:45:01 [CarlosI]

SAZ: outside of the scope

14:45:21 [CarlosI]

SAZ: maybe later in the WG

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RESOLUTION: reject the proposal

14:46:27 [CarlosI]

SAZ: is something that will probably be done anyway but outside of EARL scope

14:46:40 [CarlosI]

SAZ: #22

14:47:26 [CarlosI]

SAZ: again out of scope, more related with test descriptions and "evidences"

14:47:34 [CarlosI]

SAZ: proposal to reject

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RESOLUTION: reject the proposal

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SAZ: #29

14:49:20 [CarlosI]

SAZ: several efforts before but need to clarify more

14:49:42 [CarlosI]

SAZ: proposal to accept the suggestion

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RESOLUTION: proposal accepted

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SAZ: #9

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s/#9/#7

14:51:15 [CarlosI]

SAZ: an interesting one, something to look at in next telecons

14:51:45 [CarlosI]

SAZ: JK's turn

14:51:46 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:51:46 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF comments" taken up [from shadi]

14:52:08 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0019.html

14:52:21 [CarlosI]

JK: topic: timestamps in request and response

14:54:03 [CarlosI]

JK: discussed before about the proper properties, about it's something that should be at HTTP in RDF and about what time to choose (client, server, any proxy...)

14:56:39 [CarlosI]

CI: timestamps are nowhere in the HTTP specification

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CI: even if they are useful, they are not part of HTTP

14:57:47 [CarlosI]

SAZ: we are already recording things outside the HTTP specification, e.g. Connection class

14:58:12 [CarlosI]

SAZ: the question is if it's important enough

14:59:26 [CarlosI]

SAZ: the simpler approach is a dc:date when the request is initiated

15:00:13 [CarlosI]

SAZ: use case, the crawler and the evaluation are sepparated process

15:00:42 [CarlosI]

SAZ: several WCAG 2 test are "time-dependant"

15:01:34 [CarlosI]

JK: maybe have a look at what properties could be feasible and make a recommendation

15:01:54 [CarlosI]

RR: dc:date is the most obvious one

15:05:59 [CarlosI]

ACTION: JK to make an specific proposal on timestamping

15:06:27 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0024.html

15:06:41 [CarlosI]

SAZ: have a look at the open threads on the list

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RR: background?

15:08:05 [CarlosI]

JK: we got some comments on the last drafts about complexity of the structure

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-Johannes

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-Reinhard

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-Shadi

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-CarlosI

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, CarlosI, +43.70.aaaa, Reinhard

15:49:09 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: everybody to review by next week and send possible ERT WG relevant issues to the list [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-13-15

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ACTION: everybody to review the POWDER note and comment any thought with the rest of the group [2]

15:49:29 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-16-05

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ACTION: everybody to look at FOAF and see in what direction are they moving [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-23-21

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ACTION: start to look at the EARL guide and help synchronize with the schema [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-25-07

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ACTION: JK to make an specific proposal on timestamping [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T15-05-59