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12:22:13 <tlr> zakim, this will be xmlsec
12:22:13 <Zakim> ok, tlr; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 38 minutes
12:22:22 <tlr> Meeting: XML Sec Spec Maint WG Weekly
12:22:24 <tlr> Date: 2007-05-09
12:22:27 <tlr> Date: 2007-05-29
12:22:30 <tlr> s/09/29/
12:24:41 <tlr> chair: Thomas
12:25:24 <tlr> scribe: GilesHogben
12:25:41 <tlr> Regrets: PhillipHallamBaker, FrederickHirsch
12:26:22 <tlr> Regrets+ HalLockhart
12:29:56 <tlr> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0045.html
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12:40:11 <tlr> hi konrad
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12:56:11 <tlr> ScribeNick: GilesHogben
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12:58:20 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
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12:58:28 <Zakim> + +30281039aaaa
12:58:32 <Zakim> +??P0
12:58:45 <klanz2> zakim, ? klanz2
12:58:45 <Zakim> I don't understand '? klanz2', klanz2
12:58:49 <EdS> EdS has joined #xmlsec
12:59:02 <klanz2> zakim, ? is klanz2
12:59:02 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
12:59:29 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
12:59:29 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
12:59:39 <Zakim> + +1.613.726.aabb
12:59:57 <Zakim> + +1.650.380.aacc
13:00:03 <klanz2> Hi
13:00:13 <klanz2> zakim who is here
13:00:23 <klanz2> zakim, who is here
13:00:23 <Zakim> klanz2, you need to end that query with '?'
13:00:25 <grw> zakim, aacc is grw
13:00:25 <Zakim> +grw; got it
13:00:28 <Zakim> + +1.781.442.aadd
13:00:32 <klanz2> zakim, ?
13:00:32 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, klanz2.
13:00:54 <Zakim> + +1.443.695.aaee
13:00:56 <klanz2> zakim, who is here ?
13:00:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see +30281039aaaa, klanz2 (muted), +1.613.726.aabb, grw, +1.781.442.aadd, +1.443.695.aaee
13:00:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see EdS, jcc, sean, GilesHogben, grw, klanz2, RRSAgent, Zakim, tlr, trackbot-ng
13:01:31 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
13:01:31 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:01:33 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:01:38 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas-781
13:01:38 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not see a party named 'thomas-781'
13:01:42 <Zakim> - +1.443.695.aaee
13:01:43 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
13:01:43 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
13:01:43 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:01:45 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:01:45 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:01:47 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:01:53 <klanz2> zakim, unmute me
13:01:53 <Zakim> klanz2 should no longer be muted
13:01:57 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:01:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see +30281039aaaa, klanz2, +1.613.726.aabb, grw, +1.781.442.aadd, Thomas
13:02:21 <Zakim> + +1.443.695.aaff
13:02:22 <tlr> zakim, aaaa is giles
13:02:22 <Zakim> +giles; got it
13:02:24 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:02:24 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:02:30 <tlr> zakim, aaff is RobMiller
13:02:30 <Zakim> +RobMiller; got it
13:02:44 <tlr> zakim, aabb is EdSimon
13:02:44 <Zakim> +EdSimon; got it
13:02:58 <tlr> zakim, 442 is SeanMullen
13:02:58 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not recognize a party named '442'
13:03:04 <tlr> zakim, aadd is SeanMullen
13:03:04 <Zakim> +SeanMullen; got it
13:03:26 <Zakim> +??P8
13:03:28 <tlr> Topic: Administrivia: scribe confirmation, next meeting
13:03:35 <tlr> zakim, ??P8 is JuanCarlosCruellas
13:03:35 <Zakim> +JuanCarlosCruellas; got it
13:04:07 <GilesHogben> Please identify yourselves :)
13:04:24 <klanz2> yse
13:04:26 <klanz2> yes
13:04:42 <tlr> Next meeting: 5 June, Frederick to chair, Konrad to scribe
13:04:46 <GilesHogben> Konrad will scribe next meeting
13:04:49 <klanz2> welcome
13:04:53 <tlr> Topic: Review and approval of last meeting's minutes
13:04:57 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-xmlsec-minutes
13:05:15 <GilesHogben> No objections to minutes
13:05:16 <Zakim> +R_Salz
13:05:17 <tlr> RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
13:05:30 <tlr> Topic: Action item review 
13:06:00 <klanz2> zakim, unmute me
13:06:00 <Zakim> klanz2 should no longer be muted
13:06:03 <gberezow> gberezow has joined #xmlsec
13:06:09 <GilesHogben> Done - share transform that does not depend on input
13:06:14 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:06:14 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:06:15 <GilesHogben> by Konrad
13:06:17 <tlr> ACTION-6 done; discuss at future meeting
13:06:23 <tlr> ACTION-26 continued
13:06:25 <GilesHogben> action 6 done - discuss at future mission
13:06:33 <tlr> Topic: agenda bashing
13:07:16 <GilesHogben> add a brief excursion into C14N draft?
13:07:59 <tlr> Topic: Workshop planning
13:08:00 <Zakim> + +1.416.646.aagg
13:08:07 <tlr> zakim, aagg is gberezow
13:08:07 <Zakim> +gberezow; got it
13:08:15 <tlr> ACTION-28 moot
13:08:44 <tlr> ACTION-29 closed
13:08:44 <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet
13:08:52 <tlr> ACTION-30 closed
13:08:52 <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet
13:08:57 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/cfp.html
13:09:41 <GilesHogben> Call to be issued June 6 deadline for papers 14 Aug
13:09:57 <GilesHogben> IETF has meeting in last week of july - so good for propoganda
13:10:16 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:10:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see giles, klanz2 (muted), EdSimon, grw, SeanMullen, Thomas, RobMiller, JuanCarlosCruellas, R_Salz, gberezow
13:10:17 <GilesHogben> Review 2nd week of August
13:10:35 <tlr> q+ giles, klanz2, EdSimon, grw, SeanMullen, RobMiller, JuanCarlosCruellas, gberezow
13:10:39 <tlr> ack giles
13:11:01 <GilesHogben> Giles OK for PC work - 2nd HALF of Aug
13:11:12 <tlr> ack edsimon
13:11:16 <tlr> ack klanz2
13:11:20 <GilesHogben> Ed - shoudl be OK but can't guarantee
13:11:33 <GilesHogben> Konrad - has time - position papers are from where?
13:12:17 <GilesHogben> TLR - should be within the group - there is some flexibility - you can write the posn paper early
13:12:38 <GilesHogben> 2nd half of Aug to review the pp's we already got and to negotiate the agenda
13:12:44 <tlr> ack grw
13:12:52 <GilesHogben> Greg Whitehead - Yes
13:12:56 <tlr> ack sean
13:12:58 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:12:59 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:13:01 <tlr> ack rob
13:13:07 <gberezow> gberezow is ok with 2nd half august
13:13:10 <GilesHogben> Sean - OK
13:13:17 <tlr> ack juanCarlos
13:13:26 <GilesHogben> Rob OK
13:13:35 <GilesHogben> JuanCarlos - Nope (Holidays)
13:13:41 <tlr> q?
13:13:46 <GilesHogben> can work before
13:13:48 <tlr> ack gberezow
13:14:11 <GilesHogben> TLR - critical mass for 2nd half Aug
13:14:29 <GilesHogben> pending availlability of Frederick we should go for this schedule
13:14:54 <GilesHogben> accepted
13:14:58 <tlr> timeline seems ok, approved pending availability of Frederick
13:15:15 <tlr> ACTION-30 done
13:15:15 <GilesHogben> Action 30 closed
13:15:26 <tlr> Topic: Current status of drafts: c14n issue with xml:base
13:16:08 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0044.html
13:16:11 <GilesHogben> Konrad has sent a message to both wg's about xml-base
13:17:02 <klanz2> q+
13:17:08 <tlr> ack klanz2
13:17:18 <GilesHogben> Who can review this issue for a discussion in next call
13:17:22 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/att-0044/Apendix.html
13:17:25 <GilesHogben> Konrad - note appendix at bottom of message
13:17:39 <GilesHogben> to see Delta - appended some test-cases
13:17:49 <GilesHogben> above that is the correct version of the appendix
13:17:59 <GilesHogben> would like someone who is going to implement to see if he/she agrees
13:18:17 <GilesHogben> TLR - is that appendix actually normative in C14N 1.1?
13:18:37 <GilesHogben> Konrad - not sure but would guess it is if implementations are required to use the same cannonical output
13:18:50 <GilesHogben> There is still some potential to elaborate on details.
13:19:03 <GilesHogben> TLR - Review before going into details
13:19:04 <tlr> q+ r_salz, jcc, sean 
13:19:07 <tlr> ack klanz
13:19:09 <tlr> ack r_salz
13:19:29 <tlr> ACTION: salz to review Konrad's message re xml:base by next call
13:19:29 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-35 - Review Konrad\'s message re xml:base by next call [on Rich Salz - due 2007-06-05].
13:19:29 <sean> ack sean
13:19:33 <tlr> ack jcc
13:19:48 <tlr> ACTION: juan carlos to review KonraD's message re xml:base by next call
13:19:48 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - juan
13:19:50 <EdS> I'm taking a quick look at c14n 1.1 CR and do not see any indication Appendix A is not normative.
13:20:15 <tlr> ACTION: cruellas to review KonraD's message re xml:base by next call
13:20:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-36 - Review KonraD\'s message re xml:base by next call [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-06-05].
13:20:35 <tlr> ACTION: sean to review Konrad's message re xml:base by next call
13:20:35 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-37 - Review Konrad\'s message re xml:base by next call [on Sean Mullan - due 2007-06-05].
13:20:50 <tlr> action: ed to review Konrad's message re xml:base by next call
13:20:50 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-38 - Review Konrad\'s message re xml:base by next call [on Ed Simon - due 2007-06-05].
13:20:57 <tlr> substantive discussion deferred to next call
13:21:17 <tlr> Topic: Current status of drafts: DSig Core
13:21:38 <tlr> ACTION-33 closed
13:21:38 <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet
13:21:40 <GilesHogben> 4 proposed changes
13:22:07 <tlr> ACTION-31, ACTION-32 closed
13:22:12 <GilesHogben> Action 31 on Juan C to propose a reference processing modelling summary
13:22:24 <GilesHogben> Sean to propose a different langauge for validator and generator part
13:22:28 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0042.html
13:22:37 <GilesHogben> mostly done on ML. End of that thread see url above
13:22:50 <GilesHogben> proposed slightly different text for the note
13:23:04 <GilesHogben> is there any need for further discussioon of this text
13:23:08 <klanz2> q+
13:23:12 <tlr> ack klanz
13:23:15 <GilesHogben> or do we adopt the editor's draft accordingly
13:23:25 <GilesHogben> Konrad - do we get a new version of the redline doc?
13:23:54 <EdS> A search on the word "normative" in c14n 1.1 CR reveals only 1 instance -- that saying only the English version is normative. So it would appear the whole c14n 1.1 CR document, including the appendix, is normative.
13:23:55 <GilesHogben> TLR: Will send around the editor's draft
13:24:02 <GilesHogben> have people looked at the text?
13:24:25 <GilesHogben> would people prefer to see the editor's draft
13:25:13 <GilesHogben> JC - agree with changes
13:25:19 <tlr> juan carlos: fine
13:25:23 <tlr> sean: looks fine
13:25:31 <EdS> I looked at the text changes and they look fine to me.
13:25:34 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to update editor's draft according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0042.html
13:25:34 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-39 - Update editor\'s draft according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0042.html [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-05].
13:25:55 <tlr> ACTION-19 closed
13:25:55 <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet
13:26:00 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0041.html
13:26:08 <klanz2> q+
13:26:12 <tlr> ack klanz
13:26:50 <GilesHogben> Konrad: had a look at Gregor's message and proposed new text for bullets in section 2.
13:27:14 <GilesHogben> please copy to chat
13:27:18 <sean> please copy to chat
13:27:23 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0041.html
13:27:46 <GilesHogben> I just try to be precise where DNames appear or not
13:27:56 <klanz2> 2.
13:27:57 <klanz2>           * The |X509IssuerSerial| element, which contains an X.509
13:27:57 <klanz2>             issuer distinguished name/serial number pair.  The X.509
13:27:57 <klanz2>             issuer distinguished name SHOULD be compliant with the DNAME
13:27:57 <klanz2>             encoding rules at the end of this section and the serial
13:27:57 <klanz2>             number is represented as a decimal integer,
13:27:59 <klanz2>           * The |X509SubjectName| element, which contains an X.509
13:28:01 <klanz2>             subject distinguished name that SHOULD be compliant with the
13:28:03 <klanz2>             DNAME encoding rules at the end of this section,
13:28:46 <GilesHogben> Konrad - concerned about & and opening tag bracket but as discussed with Thomas, this can be handled by saying it is text to be added
13:28:52 <Zakim> -klanz2
13:28:57 <GilesHogben> Should it be done in CDATA section or by escaping?
13:29:04 <klanz2> sorry lost the call
13:29:12 <tlr> we're waiting for you, please dial in again
13:29:17 <tlr> zakim, code?
13:29:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr
13:29:18 <klanz2> one sec
13:29:55 <tlr> konrad, what's going on?
13:30:11 <klanz2> problem with voip client, using phone
13:30:11 <tlr> should I skype you into the cal?
13:30:16 <tlr> ok
13:30:18 <klanz2> yes please
13:30:35 <tlr> shoot, doesn't work
13:30:36 <tlr> sorry
13:30:40 <tlr> please try trad phone
13:31:02 <klanz2> works now
13:31:10 <tlr> no, doesn't work on my side
13:31:39 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0041.html
13:32:45 <tlr> Topic: Decryption Transform
13:32:50 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmlenc-decrypt.html
13:33:04 <GilesHogben> Frederick has done some basic edits
13:33:08 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmlenc-decrypt.html#sec-xml-processing
13:33:14 <GilesHogben> first set of edits in processing rules section
13:33:48 <GilesHogben> there is a definition of decrypt XML and second subpoint of second step deals with inheritance
13:33:48 <Zakim> +??P0
13:33:50 <klanz2> zakim, ? is klanz2
13:33:50 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
13:34:00 <klanz2> go ahead
13:34:05 <klanz2> sure
13:34:06 <GilesHogben> please paste into IRC (proposed change)
13:34:17 <tlr> If a node-set is replacing an element from N whose               parent element is not in N, then its apex elements               MUST inherit xml:lang and xml:space attributes associated with the XML namespace               from the parent element, such as               [XML-C14N11]. The                 xml:base,               xml:lang and xml:space                attribute from the                XML namespace MUST be processed as specified in Canonical XML 1.
13:36:38 <GilesHogben> Decrypt algorithm in sec 3.1 - main proposed change to replace explicit mention of certain specific attributes according to C14N 1.1
13:37:32 <tlr> "As a result, D for N is a node-set consisting ..."
13:37:46 <GilesHogben> In 3.3, below examples is an editorial change to fix erratum 1.
13:38:04 <tlr> zakim, who is making noise?
13:38:18 <Zakim> tlr, listening for 12 seconds I could not identify any sounds
13:38:54 <GilesHogben> In 3.4.2, inheriting attributes - ref to C14N - any comments?
13:39:23 <klanz2> q+
13:39:30 <tlr> ack klanz2
13:39:33 <GilesHogben> TLR - propose that at next meeting we propose this draft become last call
13:39:38 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-encryption/2005Mar/0000.html
13:40:01 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-encryption/2005Mar/0001.html
13:40:04 <GilesHogben> Konrad: is this the guy who actually found the problem  (see URL) - could we get back to him with some feedback
13:40:12 <GilesHogben> on how we fixed it
13:40:54 <GilesHogben> TLR : yes good idea
13:41:01 <tlr> ACTION: klanz2 to contact CAO Yongsheng confirming treatment of E1 in Decryption Transform
13:41:01 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-40 - Contact CAO Yongsheng confirming treatment of E1 in Decryption Transform [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-06-05].
13:41:15 <tlr> zakim, mute jcc
13:41:15 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to jcc
13:41:19 <tlr> zakim, mute juancarlos
13:41:19 <Zakim> JuanCarlosCruellas should now be muted
13:41:52 <GilesHogben> TLR - no comments and no objections to Frederick's changes on Decrypt transform
13:42:17 <GilesHogben> propose we issue this version with updated namespace URI's
13:42:27 <tlr> as LC WD at next meeting
13:42:46 <GilesHogben> if anyone wants to raise review comments, do so next week
13:42:49 <tlr> topic: signature encore
13:42:56 <klanz2> q+
13:43:00 <tlr> ack klanz2
13:43:03 <tlr> ack klanz
13:43:13 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0041.html
13:43:52 <GilesHogben> 1st bullet step 2 - is basically done
13:44:01 <GilesHogben> inside the X509 issuer there is a serial
13:44:11 <GilesHogben> there are 2 values inside - one the DName, the other the SNumber
13:44:20 <GilesHogben> the previous text was not very concise about this
13:44:31 <sean> q+
13:44:36 <GilesHogben> but only the DName is affected - just clarified what was affected
13:44:51 <GilesHogben> next message was the test case - a challenging DName
13:44:53 <tlr> ack sean
13:45:19 <GilesHogben> Sean - 1st bullet of second - second sentence is a runon - would just say "
13:45:31 <tlr> "section and the" -> "section. The"
13:45:43 <GilesHogben> OK
13:46:04 <tlr> "The X.509             issuer distinguished name SHOULD be compliant with the DNAME             encoding rules at the end of this section. The serial             number is represented as a decimal integer."
13:46:18 <tlr> ack klanz
13:46:46 <GilesHogben> konrad: The test case - tried to get all escapeable chars in and RFC 2253 compliant
13:46:58 <GilesHogben> paste into XML problem with &
13:47:13 <GilesHogben> maybe we need to make explicity need to escape &
13:47:25 <GilesHogben> give guidance on whether to escape or put into CDATA
13:47:47 <GilesHogben> as long as people don't touch it until verification it won't affect a lot
13:48:00 <GilesHogben> in many cases the keyinfo is not signed but in some cases it is
13:48:08 <GilesHogben> not sure if it's really a problem
13:48:11 <sean> q+
13:48:46 <GilesHogben> Konrad - you can identify the key either by supplying it as a cert
13:49:05 <jcc> q+
13:49:16 <GilesHogben> just needs to be identified , and can also be signed to ensure non-substitution
13:49:52 <GilesHogben> when you're identifying it you have to do it in CDATA - otherwise you break the XML
13:50:01 <tlr> ack sean
13:50:14 <GilesHogben> Sean: I'll take an action to look at what our implementation does
13:50:22 <tlr> ACTION: sean to check his implementation wrt DNAME erratum
13:50:22 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-41 - Check his implementation wrt DNAME erratum [on Sean Mullan - due 2007-06-05].
13:50:57 <GilesHogben> TLR - worth having a look at testcase
13:50:58 <tlr> ack jcc
13:51:03 <tlr> zakim, unmute juancarlos
13:51:03 <Zakim> JuanCarlosCruellas should no longer be muted
13:51:37 <GilesHogben> JC: Looks like there was a common view that the text of the Dname should be put in a CDATA section
13:51:54 <GilesHogben> but reading the text, it clearly speaks about escaping & and "-"
13:52:00 <klanz2> q+
13:52:19 <GilesHogben> i.e. the text is saying to escape it in the XML - not in CDATA
13:52:57 <GilesHogben> values may be used for comparing values of DName by other apps - like Xades [?]
13:53:17 <GilesHogben> In order to check if the cert used for generating the sig is the one referenced
13:53:29 <GilesHogben> you have to check the one used with the DName string
13:53:38 <GilesHogben> so it may break an app
13:54:06 <tlr>        Also, strings in DNames       (X509IssuerSerial,X509SubjectName, and       KeyName if approriate) should be encoded as follows:
13:54:40 <GilesHogben> TLR: this is not an ecoding which deals with making it XML Safe - it's to do with backslash character
13:54:44 <klanz2> q+
13:54:59 <GilesHogben> so can't see in rec text that there is entity encoding explicitlyl
13:55:02 <tlr> ack klanz2
13:55:07 <tlr> ack klanz
13:55:15 <GilesHogben> Konrad: also has same perception as JC
13:55:29 <GilesHogben> a lot of people seem to interpret it that way
13:55:45 <GilesHogben> in a lot of cases where encoding of entities is needed, it's done rather than being put into CDATA section
13:55:59 <GilesHogben> the spec is silent about what should happen
13:56:11 <GilesHogben> TLR: isn't that silence the right thing
13:56:17 <GilesHogben> q
13:56:20 <GilesHogben> q+
13:56:53 <GilesHogben> Ed: Silence is not the right thing
13:56:56 <klanz2> q+
13:57:47 <EdS> Suggest we continue the discussion on /2007May/0041.html next week so we can think about this more over the week.
13:57:47 <tlr> ack giles
13:57:54 <tlr> ack klanz
13:57:55 <tlr> +1 to ed
13:58:10 <GilesHogben> Konrad - silence would be good if it would canonicalize
13:58:17 <EdS> btw, I (Ed) was not the one saying "Silence is not the right thing"
13:58:28 <GilesHogben> but don't see how strings in XML are to be canonicalised if signed
13:58:42 <GilesHogben> rather have it robust than lose canonicalisation
13:58:55 <tlr> s/Ed: Silen/Sean: Silen/
13:59:27 <GilesHogben> TLR: There is a canicalisation step before things are signed and hashed
14:00:02 <GilesHogben> Action is on JC and Konrad to come up with an example where the current silence can break an app
14:00:17 <tlr> ACTION: cruellas to produce example for breakage due to current E01 language
14:00:17 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-42 - Produce example for breakage due to current E01 language [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-06-05].
14:00:18 <GilesHogben> JC: agrees
14:00:33 <tlr> ACTION: klanz to produce example for breakage due to current E01 language
14:00:33 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - klanz
14:00:38 <GilesHogben> Konrad: agres
14:00:40 <GilesHogben> agrees
14:01:21 <klanz2> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-c14n11/ (section 1.1 says CDATA sections are replaced with their character content)
14:01:30 <Zakim> -grw
14:01:34 <Zakim> -gberezow
14:01:36 <Zakim> -SeanMullen
14:01:36 <Zakim> -R_Salz
14:01:38 <Zakim> -RobMiller
14:01:40 <Zakim> -JuanCarlosCruellas
14:01:40 <tlr> zakim, list participant
14:01:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list participant', tlr
14:01:44 <Zakim> -EdSimon
14:01:45 <tlr> zakim, list participants
14:01:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +30281039aaaa, klanz2, +1.613.726.aabb, +1.650.380.aacc, grw, +1.781.442.aadd, +1.443.695.aaee, Thomas, +1.443.695.aaff, giles, RobMiller,
14:01:49 <Zakim> ... EdSimon, SeanMullen, JuanCarlosCruellas, R_Salz, +1.416.646.aagg, gberezow
14:01:52 <tlr> rrsagent, make this record public
14:01:57 <tlr> rragent, please draft minutes
14:02:15 <klanz2> can I listen in
14:02:27 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:02:28 <klanz2> as I'll scribe next time
14:04:06 <klanz2> zakim, unmute me
14:04:06 <Zakim> klanz2 was not muted, klanz2
14:04:47 <Zakim> -giles
14:04:57 <jcc> jcc has left #xmlsec
14:12:53 <klanz2> exit
14:12:59 <Zakim> -Thomas
14:13:03 <Zakim> -klanz2
14:13:04 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
14:13:06 <Zakim> Attendees were +30281039aaaa, klanz2, +1.613.726.aabb, +1.650.380.aacc, grw, +1.781.442.aadd, +1.443.695.aaee, Thomas, +1.443.695.aaff, giles, RobMiller, EdSimon, SeanMullen,
14:13:08 <Zakim> ... JuanCarlosCruellas, R_Salz, +1.416.646.aagg, gberezow
14:13:31 <klanz2> zakim, who is on the phone
14:13:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', klanz2
14:13:39 <klanz2> zakim, who is on the phone ?
14:13:39 <Zakim> apparently T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended, klanz2
14:13:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see GilesHogben, klanz2, RRSAgent, Zakim, tlr, trackbot-ng
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