IRC log of rif on 2007-05-29

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14:50:32 [ChrisW]
zakim, this will be rif
14:50:32 [Zakim]
ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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Meeting: RIF Telecon 29 May 2007
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Chair: Chris Welty
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007May/0066.html
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ChrisW has changed the topic to: 28 May RIF Telecon Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007May/0066.html
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Scribe: Jeff Pan
14:51:59 [ChrisW]
agenda+ Admin
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agenda+ F2F
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agenda+ Liason
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agenda+ Core - Builtins
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agenda+ Core - XML Syntax
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agenda+ UCR
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agenda+ AOB
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
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SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
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+??P3
14:56:23 [Francois]
zakim, ??P3 is me.
14:56:23 [Zakim]
+Francois; got it
14:56:30 [Francois]
zakim, mute me.
14:56:30 [Zakim]
sorry, Francois, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
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+[NRCC]
14:58:11 [Harold]
zakim, NRCC is me
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+Harold; got it
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+Sandro
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zakim, mute me.
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Francois should now be muted
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+??P29
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zakim, ??P29 is me
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+IgorMozetic; got it
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zakim, mute me
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IgorMozetic should now be muted
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+Leora_Morgenstern
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zakim, mute me
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Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
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+??P35
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+Jeff_Pan
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zakim, ??P35 is me
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+csma; got it
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+??P38
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zakim, ??P38 is me
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+DavidHirtle; got it
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scribe: Jeff Pan
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+Allen_Ginsberg
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scribenick: Jeff_Pan
15:03:39 [csma]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:39 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Francois (muted), Harold, Sandro, IgorMozetic (muted), Leora_Morgenstern (muted), csma, Jeff_Pan, DavidHirtle, Allen_Ginsberg
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+ +39.047.101.aaaa
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+Axel_Polleres
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zakim, mute me
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csma should now be muted
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+ChrisW
15:05:30 [AxelPolleres]
Hi!
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+Deborah_Nichols
15:05:53 [csma]
zakim, mute me
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csma was already muted, csma
15:05:57 [ChrisW]
scribenick: JeffP
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
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+[IBM]
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-[IBM]
15:06:46 [JeffP]
ChrisW: we don't have telecon next week
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as the weekend will be our FTF
15:06:56 [csma]
no
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "F2F" taken up [from ChrisW]
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+[IBM]
15:07:25 [JeffP]
ChrisW: any changes to the agenda?
15:07:29 [JeffP]
no
15:07:50 [StellaMitchell]
zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
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+StellaMitchell; got it
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-ChrisW
15:07:57 [JeffP]
FTF starts at 9am
15:08:00 [csma]
we do not hear you
15:08:14 [csma]
zakim, unmute me
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csma should no longer be muted
15:08:29 [ChrisW]
hmmm
15:08:44 [JeffP]
(JeffP will arrive about noon)
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+Gary_Hallmark
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+ChrisW
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+??P46
15:09:49 [JeffP]
josb: THe meeting will be at the university, outside the centre
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... two ways to reaching it: taxi or bus
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... see the wiki
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csma: there is a need of using the phone
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Liason" taken up [from ChrisW]
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ChrisW: any updates?
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none
15:13:56 [ChrisW]
zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, Liason, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:13:59 [ChrisW]
zakim, next item
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4. Core - Builtins [from ChrisW]
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PRR update: final submisson supposedly in for June OMG meeting
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agendum 4. "Core - Builtins" taken up [from ChrisW]
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+ +49.892.180.aabb
15:14:20 [sandro]
Okay, Jeff, I answered the registration survey for you.
15:14:34 [JeffP]
Thanks, sandro
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ACTION-291 done
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(bringing us to 25 people who will attend at least part of the meeting.)
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ACTION-292 done
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ACTION-290 complete
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ACTION-285 done
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ACTION-282 done
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ACTION-281 continued
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s/292/291
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ACTION-280 complete
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ACTION-230 dropped
15:17:16 [csma]
zakim, mute me
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csma should now be muted
15:17:17 [ChrisW]
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/List_of_functions_and_operators
15:17:20 [Zakim]
+ +39.047.101.aacc
15:17:33 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, aac is me
15:17:34 [Zakim]
sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not recognize a party named 'aac'
15:17:44 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, aacc is me
15:17:47 [JeffP]
ChrisW: any discussions on this?
15:17:47 [Zakim]
+MichaelKifer; got it
15:17:51 [csma]
q?
15:18:00 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, mute me
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MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:18:32 [JeffP]
Axel_Polleres: is there a function translating URIs to strings and vice versa?
15:19:34 [PaulaP]
fn:encode-for-uri is what you are looking for, Axel?
15:20:02 [JeffP]
csma: maybe, but at the biginning we should focus the core ones
15:20:04 [AxelPolleres]
paula, this is only one direction, the otherone is problematic, I think
15:20:21 [PaulaP]
fn:escape-html-uri?
15:20:44 [JeffP]
ChrisW: seems that one direction is possible
15:21:02 [csma]
q+
15:21:03 [JeffP]
Axel_Polleres: maybe good to keep it recorded
15:21:25 [josb]
yes
15:21:26 [JeffP]
yes
15:21:35 [MichaelKifer]
we should have toString for every type. why reinvent the wheel
15:21:37 [DavidHirtle]
yes, anyURI
15:21:56 [DavidHirtle]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xmlschema-2-20010502/#anyURI
15:22:53 [PaulaP]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#anyURI-functions
15:23:13 [PaulaP]
there is just one function fn:resolve-uri
15:23:55 [AxelPolleres]
what i wanted to state is that we might need something special for rif:iri
15:24:01 [JeffP]
anyURI is not a sub-type of string
15:24:05 [PaulVincent]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#anyURI
15:25:03 [JeffP]
ChrisW: is there a general transforming functions?
15:25:17 [PaulaP]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#casting
15:26:21 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, unmute me
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MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:26:29 [MichaelKifer]
q+
15:27:09 [AxelPolleres]
An example from RDF: FOAF uses tel: URI's for telephone numbers, vCard uses strings... if you want to convert, you need something...
15:27:31 [JeffP]
ChrisW: we need to reuse XML Schema, if possible
15:28:35 [MichaelKifer]
q-
15:28:39 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, mute me
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MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:29:28 [csma]
q?
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15:30:13 [AxelPolleres]
Summary: probably we only need to extend the casting of XPath/XPQuery to new primitive datatypes we introduce/use, such as e.g. rif:iri, yes?
15:30:32 [JeffP]
q?
15:30:46 [AxelPolleres]
what I mean is, we should nail down which basic sets of types AND which conversions we allow.
15:31:15 [csma]
q?
15:31:44 [Harold]
q+
15:33:07 [PaulaP]
the wiki page points already to that document
15:33:12 [sandro]
http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-concat
15:33:46 [PaulaP]
perhaps is better to first decide on F&O
15:33:51 [PaulaP]
and then link them
15:33:58 [JeffP]
ChrisW: add links to their definitions
15:34:17 [PaulaP]
ok
15:34:23 [PaulaP]
I see
15:35:24 [PaulaP]
thanks, Sandro
15:35:54 [JeffP]
Action: Sandro to put links to the F&O wiki page
15:35:54 [rifbot]
Created ACTION-292 - Put links to the F&O wiki page [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-06-05].
15:36:02 [csma]
q?
15:37:14 [JeffP]
ChrisW: we should read F&O before the FTF
15:37:36 [JeffP]
in particular on what should/shouldn't in core and why
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ack csma
15:37:45 [sandro]
ack Harold
15:38:43 [AxelPolleres]
+1 to harold, allow all in principle, and only declare a subset normative!
15:40:17 [sandro]
Sandro: so the use of an xpath function that we exclude will not be syntactically detectable.
15:43:44 [JeffP]
csma: we have a mandated datatype in the charter
15:43:58 [sandro]
s/datatype/list datatype/
15:44:31 [Harold]
A F&O sequence can be represented as nested Uniterms in the normal Prolog manner.
15:45:00 [JeffP]
Action: on Axel to prepare a datatype conversion proposal
15:45:00 [rifbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - on
15:45:18 [sandro]
Action: Axel to prepare a datatype conversion proposal
15:45:18 [rifbot]
Created ACTION-293 - Prepare a datatype conversion proposal [on Axel Polleres - due 2007-06-05].
15:45:32 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:45:32 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose StellaMitchell (muted)
15:45:36 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:45:36 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DavidHirtle
15:45:46 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:45:46 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose PaulVincent
15:45:58 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:45:58 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose StellaMitchell (muted)
15:46:02 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:46:02 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose PaulVincent
15:46:04 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:46:04 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose csma
15:46:06 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:46:06 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gary_Hallmark
15:46:08 [Harold]
[e1, e2, ...., eN] --> Uniterm(e1 Uniterm(e2 Uniterm(... eN)...))
15:46:10 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:46:10 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose PaulVincent
15:46:14 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:46:14 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose josb
15:46:35 [ChrisW]
zakim, pick a victim
15:46:35 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sandro
15:47:09 [ABG]
I have to go; see you in Innsbruck
15:47:23 [Zakim]
-Allen_Ginsberg
15:47:24 [JeffP]
Action: on Harold to prepare a proposal on sequences
15:47:24 [rifbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - on
15:47:31 [sandro]
ACTION: Harold to propose a treatment of sequences
15:47:31 [rifbot]
Created ACTION-294 - Propose a treatment of sequences [on Harold Boley - due 2007-06-05].
15:49:51 [sandro]
Gary: Is there a way I can tell if a function is logical or non-logical (built-in) ?
15:50:24 [sandro]
csma: (ie unbound variables allows as argument).
15:50:49 [sandro]
chris: ie can only tell at runtime?
15:51:55 [JeffP]
sandro: one solution by Harold is to have one builtin ...
15:52:17 [JeffP]
ChrisW: Harold, Michael?
15:52:21 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, unmute me
15:52:21 [Zakim]
MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:52:59 [JeffP]
MichaelKifer: I propose a special syntax
15:53:14 [Harold]
User-defined functions can often be inverted: [a b c d] = append(?L ?M) tries to split [a b c d] into all prefix-postfix pairs ([],[a b c d]), ([a],[b c d]), ..., ([a b c d],[]).
15:53:31 [csma]
q?
15:55:12 [AxelPolleres]
that would mean we talk about different types of atoms then...
15:55:52 [JeffP]
MichaelKifer: different dialects have different name spaces
15:56:02 [AxelPolleres]
that would touch on the CORE model, wouldn't it?
15:56:17 [sandro]
Sandro: I think implementors would like to know when they are seeing a call to a builtin vs using a logic function. Although we might want to hide the difference.
15:56:18 [Harold]
Functions can already be defined in RIF WD1 using equations: append([] ?M) = ?M append([?H | ?T] ?M) = ...
15:56:28 [MichaelKifer]
zakim, mute me
15:56:28 [Zakim]
MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:56:30 [JeffP]
ChrisW: we seem to need more discussion on this
15:56:53 [AxelPolleres]
q+
15:57:06 [JeffP]
csma: we might not need a solution in the 2nd WD
15:57:26 [JeffP]
AxelPolleres: we need to have a solution
15:57:39 [sandro]
(Axel, your audio quality is quite poor)
15:57:42 [JeffP]
Action: chairs to open an issue
15:57:42 [rifbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - chairs
15:58:29 [sandro]
proposed ACTION: DeborahNichols open issue on whether the abstract syntax will distinguish between builtins and logic functions.
15:58:59 [sandro]
ACTION: DeborahNichols open issue on whether the abstract syntax will distinguish between builtins and logic functions.
15:58:59 [rifbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - DeborahNichols
15:59:06 [sandro]
ACTION: Deborah open issue on whether the abstract syntax will distinguish between builtins and logic functions.
15:59:06 [rifbot]
Created ACTION-295 - Open issue on whether the abstract syntax will distinguish between builtins and logic functions. [on Deborah Nichols - due 2007-06-05].
15:59:10 [AxelPolleres]
I can propose a strawman syntax, taken from a system I work with which at least opens some requirements
16:00:53 [Harold]
For logic functions there are again two possibilities: uninterpreted functions and interpreted (equation-efined) functions. Only the latter ones can be compared with builtins.
16:01:01 [sandro]
ACTION: Axel to propose strawman for resolving this new issue (builtins vs logic functions)
16:01:01 [rifbot]
Created ACTION-296 - Propose strawman for resolving this new issue (builtins vs logic functions) [on Axel Polleres - due 2007-06-05].
16:01:07 [Zakim]
-PaulVincent
16:01:12 [Harold]
s/-efined/-defined/
16:01:18 [ChrisW]
zakim, next item
16:01:18 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ChrisW
16:01:22 [ChrisW]
q?
16:01:25 [ChrisW]
ack axel
16:01:27 [ChrisW]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Core - XML Syntax" taken up [from ChrisW]
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-Gary_Hallmark
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+Gary_Hallmark
16:01:48 [AxelPolleres]
q-
16:02:03 [csma]
q+
16:02:10 [csma]
q-
16:02:43 [csma]
q+
16:03:32 [JeffP]
Christw: Did you propose the XML syntax for RIF Core will not use stripe-skipping
16:03:40 [JeffP]
Gary: yes
16:05:03 [sandro]
we lost you Chria.
16:05:06 [sandro]
we lost you Chris.
16:06:53 [Harold]
Gary, you're right, it's quite verbose to write And(arg1(Conjunct1) arg2(Conjunct2) ... argN(ConjunctN)) rather than just And(Conjunct1 Conjunct2 ... ConjunctN).
16:08:36 [PaulVincent]
Apologies had to leave.
16:09:19 [JeffP]
csma: We should avoid discussions on stripe-skipping in FTF
16:09:48 [Harold]
I propose to omit stripes if they are 'artificial' (position-simulating) anyway such as arg1, arg2, ..., argN.
16:10:02 [JeffP]
ChrisW: we need to proposal from abstract syntax to W3C XMLS
16:10:10 [Harold]
q+
16:10:48 [Harold]
Think back to the IRI vs. URI discussion: human readability.
16:11:53 [JeffP]
sandro: human readability should not have 0 weight
16:11:55 [PaulaP]
:)
16:12:12 [JeffP]
q?
16:12:20 [csma]
q-
16:12:24 [sandro]
ack csma
16:12:26 [sandro]
ack Harold
16:12:46 [Harold]
rdf:_1, rdf:_2, ...
16:13:20 [sandro]
I basically agree.
16:13:49 [sandro]
Gary: I agree, unless the position has some special role, as in uniterm.
16:13:51 [sandro]
+1 Gary
16:14:02 [JeffP]
Gary: the first argument should be a name for function
16:14:25 [JeffP]
ChrisW: do we need a propsoal in FTF on this?
16:14:43 [Harold]
s/the first argument should be a name for function/if the first argument is a name for function etc. then it should keep a stripe/
16:15:01 [JeffP]
thanks, Harold
16:15:32 [Harold]
Gary also mentioned the remaining positional arguments could get stripe-skipped.
16:17:38 [josb]
q+
16:17:43 [ChrisW]
zakim, next item
16:17:43 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ChrisW
16:18:33 [sandro]
q?
16:18:36 [sandro]
ack josb
16:18:37 [csma]
ack josb
16:18:47 [ChrisW]
zakim, next item
16:18:47 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "UCR" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:18:57 [csma]
ack allen
16:19:00 [ChrisW]
zakim, who is on the phone?
16:19:00 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Francois (muted), Harold, Sandro, IgorMozetic (muted), Leora_Morgenstern (muted), csma, Jeff_Pan, DavidHirtle, josb, Axel_Polleres, Deborah_Nichols (muted),
16:19:04 [Zakim]
... StellaMitchell (muted), ChrisW, PaulaP (muted), MichaelKifer (muted), Gary_Hallmark
16:19:28 [ChrisW]
allen - your action #274 status?
16:20:06 [PaulaP]
yes
16:20:12 [csma]
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Design_Constraints
16:20:25 [PaulaP]
I added a couple of requirements today
16:20:33 [PaulaP]
yes
16:21:58 [JeffP]
Issues 14-21 to be closed?
16:22:10 [JeffP]
Deborah: does it mean resolved?
16:22:32 [JeffP]
sandro: delay till phase 2
16:22:54 [sandro]
the typical term is "Postponed"
16:24:00 [ChrisW]
q?
16:24:06 [ChrisW]
zakim, next item
16:24:06 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "AOB" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:24:45 [JeffP]
csma: we will start at 9am on June 2
16:24:49 [AxelPolleres]
THe brave can meet at 6am to climb a mountain!
16:25:00 [csma]
a small mountain?
16:25:04 [PaulaP]
+1
16:25:05 [csma]
+1
16:25:09 [Zakim]
-Deborah_Nichols
16:25:11 [sandro]
rdml (roll down mountain laughing...)
16:25:11 [Zakim]
-IgorMozetic
16:25:11 [PaulaP]
bye
16:25:11 [AxelPolleres]
+1
16:25:12 [Zakim]
-Harold
16:25:14 [Zakim]
-MichaelKifer
16:25:15 [Zakim]
-Axel_Polleres
16:25:16 [Zakim]
-Leora_Morgenstern
16:25:17 [Zakim]
-StellaMitchell
16:25:19 [Zakim]
-josb
16:25:20 [Zakim]
-PaulaP
16:25:20 [GaryHallmark]
better than moving the mountain
16:25:21 [Zakim]
-DavidHirtle
16:25:22 [ChrisW]
rrsagent, make logs public
16:25:30 [ChrisW]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:25:30 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
16:25:37 [Zakim]
-Gary_Hallmark
16:26:36 [ChrisW]
zakim, who is the phone?
16:26:36 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, ChrisW.
16:26:38 [Zakim]
-Jeff_Pan
16:26:39 [csma]
zakim, who is on the phone?
16:26:40 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Francois (muted), Sandro, csma, ChrisW
16:26:59 [ChrisW]
zakim, drop francois
16:26:59 [Zakim]
Francois is being disconnected
16:27:01 [Zakim]
-Francois
16:27:09 [Francois]
bye.
16:27:51 [ChrisW]
Regrets: DaveReynolds
16:33:14 [Zakim]
-Sandro
16:33:15 [Zakim]
-ChrisW
16:33:17 [Zakim]
-csma
16:33:19 [Zakim]
SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:33:20 [Zakim]
Attendees were Francois, Harold, Sandro, IgorMozetic, Leora_Morgenstern, Jeff_Pan, csma, DavidHirtle, Allen_Ginsberg, +39.047.101.aaaa, josb, Axel_Polleres, ChrisW,
16:33:22 [Zakim]
... Deborah_Nichols, StellaMitchell, Gary_Hallmark, PaulVincent, PaulaP, +39.047.101.aacc, MichaelKifer
16:33:29 [ChrisW]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:33:29 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
16:34:12 [ChrisW]
looks like its ready, Jeff
16:34:19 [ChrisW]
thanks for scribing
16:42:18 [csma]
csma has left #rif
16:43:39 [JeffP]
OK - will send to the list soon
17:36:37 [AxelPolleres]
AxelPolleres has left #rif